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RI PS-1
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Mark Heiden wants to know the following:
Rock Island 27350-27849, 500 40ft PS-1 boxcars, built 1963. A prototype photo of RI 27560 is at: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ri/ri27560.jpg I'd like to know the following: 1) What sort of trucks did these cars ride on? 2) What kind of running boards did these cars have? 3) How were they painted (eg-black ends and roof, unpainted roof, etc)? 4) What is a good paint and decal match for these cars? Mike Brock
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Re: Placing rivets
Manfred Lorenz
Tim,
The goal here is to space the rivet_s_ evenly. A common problem with airplanes and railroad equipment. Was that your question? It is not about application of singles. But that makes me think: If a template with evenly spaced holes were used one could fill those with a liquid rivet compound (white glue diluted to a certain degree) to the top, wait until semi liquid and lift off. Followed by a part melt down to form the rounded dome. There is a kit that accomplishes this with a syringe and squeeze bottles. Manfred --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@c... wrote: template? aircraft modelers use this tool:
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Re: Tank car dome from Detail Associates
Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
Tim;
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I started one, but got disheartened when I tried to paste on those alternating rivets where the interior tank heads were located. Too difficult for me. I wish I had the talent. There are several bashes that look more do-able to me. I am in the middle of bashing an Athearn 3-dome into something like a STCC car that appeared in Mainline Modeler back in the 90's. It is quite do-able, and about the only thing that looks like the Athearn car. I am also bashing some other classes of tank car from the P2K, IM and RC cars. I would really like to do a good job on a couple early acid cars, but also an ICC 103C-W. I have also bashed a Type 21 with a smaller dome, as an OESX car, plus I would also like to do a later UTLX car like Mont Switzer did so well for MM. They are all reasonable projects, for somebody at my level of skill. Elden
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:22 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Tank car dome from Detail Associates Anyone tried to do a multidome tank-bash from an 8k Type 21 or 8k Type 27? The additional domes could be larger or smaller or two different sizes... Tim O. Yahoo! Groups Links
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Question about a RI PS-1 box car
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time period. I'm going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with regard to this one car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to others. Thanks.
Mike Brock STMFC Head Judge From Mark: I'm looking for some information about an order of Rock Island 40ft PS-1 boxcars that was built in 1963. The cars are undoubtedly steam-era: 40ft long, running boards, friction bearing trucks, etc. The Rock received 2300 PS-1s like this between 1960 and 1965.
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Re: PS -1 BOX Cars
SamClarke
Hello Garth,
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The 50 foot PS-1 with 8 foot door opening is, more or less, still on our "possible" future project list, which changes all the time. Doing this car would require a new body and underframe. The underframe is a rather complicated mold which takes a great deal of tooling time. The underframe of the 8 foot door 50 foot PS-1s is like the 40 foot PS-1s (bolsters, cross beams, and cross bearers) and not like the more common 9 and 15 foot door PS-1s. Sam Clarke Kadee Quality Products
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From: "Garth Groff" <ggg9y@virginia.edu> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:48 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: PS -1 BOX Cars Sam,have as much information about the PS-1 box cars posted as we use to.
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NATX tank car photos posted
pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
I photographed that tank car at Steamtown in August 1997 and have just
uploaded six scans to the STMFPH <Files> section. They are in a folder titled "NATX 4753 Tank Car". The link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/NATX%20%204753%20Tank%20Car/ Tom Madden
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Re: Tank Cars
Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
Kevin;
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Thanks for that great scan! Tom; I agree with Bruce, and Kevin's scan indicates it is almost certainly an early GATC product, and the bolsters, tank supports, angled draft gear support brackets and all support that conclusion. GATC made lots of tanks for NATC, which seems to have maintained the biggest oddball fleet of any of the owners/lessors. I don't know if there is a formal designation for this "model" of tank car, but it is the one I associate with the group that immediately precedes the Type 30, which shares a lot of the same features. The parallelogram logo was a later addition, if I remember right. This car does not appear in my 1964 ORER, either, but that low number series tended to accumulate 2-compartment and 3-compartment cars. It may have been an add-on through purchase, or perhaps a re-numbering after expiration of a lease? The single safety valves on each dome are interesting, as are the unexplained rivets on the tank. I suspect this tank was created for some odd commodity that is not that volatile, like ink, special lubricating oil, or something like that. Lessors sometimes dictated the nature of equipment like heating coils, vents and valves, or insulation. The transverse mounting of the reservoir is also interesting. There is nothing that resembles this car in model form. The tank is very small, and being riveted, would require a big scratchbuilding effort. The underframe vaguely resembles those on the Athearn and Walthers tanks, which are exceedingly crude. The newer Overland radial course GATC tank cars have some similarities, but are earlier GATC products. The WA Drake car is a newer Type 30, if I remember correctly. I hope this helps. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas M. Olsen Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:48 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Tank Cars Eldon, The car is riveted, has wooden running boards, and has the parallelogram with the name within on the side of the tank. As I do not have the capacity to make scans I can not at this time send you one. The tank also has a single long running board to service the tank domes. The photo is a 3/4 wedge shot taken from the end corner looking up so the built date is almost illegible, but appears ?? to be, perhaps, either 2-25 or 8-25! Tom Olsen Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479 Gatwood, Elden wrote: Tom;additives/specialty refinery products. The decent load capacity with low liquid volume car that needs some identity. Steamtown in Scranton has a twowith
with Barber spring-plankless solid bearing trucks. To prevent anyonenumber
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Re: Placing rivets
Manfred
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I don't get it... how do you place a single rivet using a large template? Tim O.
Placing rivets is probably as important as making them. The aircraft
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Re: Placing rivets
Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
On Nov 9, 2005, at 9:34 AM, Manfred Lorenz wrote:
Placing rivets is probably as important as making them. The aircraftI would bet that the best tool for the brass rivets on posts that you and Dennis have referred to would be a good milling machine with an Albrecht keyless chuck for the very small drills. A digital readout would make this almost obscenely easy except for the cost of the rivets. I am going to inquire about a large scale purchase as these things are perfect for some applications. Regards, Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media 645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437 info@speedwitch.com www.speedwitch.com (650) 787-1912
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Placing rivets
Manfred Lorenz
Placing rivets is probably as important as making them. The aircraft
modelers use this tool: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&;I=LXHZ25&P=0 Manfred
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Re: Rivet size, rivet source
Manfred Lorenz
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ted Culotta <tculotta@s...> wrote:
0.2mm need toshanks; that's .012" heads on .008 shanks, but that means you throughdeal with a #90 drill or thereabouts. They will fall straight price :-(a hole drilled with a #80 drill. You don't want to ask the Dennis:the other brass rivets you mentioned (or are these one and the same)?Ted, These are offered by Fohrmann at Euro 6.50 ($7.70) incl. 16% VAT per 40 rivets. So send over your nuggets! http://www.fohrmann.com/e/shop/art/6681.htm Manfred
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Re: CGW "PS-Zero" Boxcar Article (was PS-1 Boxcars)
Thomas Baker
Those CGW 50-footers are interesting cars. I think that the IH was not 10'6" but 10' 5" if memory serves me correctly. Of course, I cannot imagine that the difference would be significant in any of the scales commonly modeled, certainly not in N or HO, possibly in O. By the way, Clark, I have a photo of one of the cars, sitting at Oelwein back about 1966 or 67. Although the lettering had faded, one can still see where it was as well as the placement of the "Corn Belt Route" emblem. Clark, if you are interested, I'll have a print made up for you.
Tom ________________________________ From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Clark Propst Sent: Tue 11/8/2005 8:46 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] CGW "PS-Zero" Boxcar Article (was PS-1 Boxcars) The CGW Pullman built 50' cars with the so called PS 0 ends were 10' 6" IH and had centered 7 panel superior doors. I showed a Sidney Wheeler photo to Ted. He really liked the car. Whether he will ever make a model for sale remains to be seen. Some of Stan's models are not up to the standards of some on this list, but they are a way to get a reasonable model of a particular car. Stan added his 4/5 ends and accurail? doors to a BLT 50' single door box car. I built one for a friend and a 40 footer for myself http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/propst/cgw91070main.html The 50' cars were delivered in bcr with road name and Cornbelt herald. Later repaints were maroon with gold reporting marks and numbers. A few cars received DF equipment and were maroon with large DF in gold and a Lucky Strike emblem. I would suggest Gene Green's Morning Sun CGW equipment 'color book'. Gene's roster notes and captions are the best of any of the freight car 'color books' I've seen. Hope this helps, Clark Propst Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Tank Cars
"Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@UDel.Edu> wrote:On Wed, November 9, 2005 5:59 am, Kevin Lafferty replied: Here's a link to a photo of the car in question.Tom, Kevin, This car is identifiable as a General American built car. The spotting feature is the lack of side and end sills and the distinctive angled braces on the end. The car appears to have been built as a 2 dome car, and the capacity of each compartment stenciled on the respective ends and domes. Regards Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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Re: PS -1 BOX Cars
Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
Sam,
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I keep hoping you will give us the 50' single 8' door cars. Lots of roads had these (including the WP and TS), and nobody has ever offered them in HO. IIRC, this car was originally listed in your future projects, but seems to have disappeared. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff mail@kadee.com wrote:
Thanks, Tim O'Connor,
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Re: Tank Cars
Kevin Lafferty <kevinhlafferty@...>
Here's a link to a photo of the car in question.
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/natx4753.jpg Kevin Lafferty "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@UDel.Edu> wrote: List, While we are on the subject of tank cars, I have a question about tank car that needs some identity. Steamtown in Scranton has a two compartment tank car lettered NATX 4750. A photo of this car appeared in the October 2005 issue of the NMRA "ScaleRails on page 31. On what appears to be the "B" end of the car, there is a capacity of 4577 gallons stenciled. On the sid it shows a Capacity of 80000 pounds, with a Light Weight of 37800 pounds. The lettering and the North American rectangular logo appears to be original as the car is in deplorable condition and has not been restored. It also looks like it is equipped with Barber spring-plankless solid bearing trucks. To prevent anyone climbing on the car the National Park Service has plated over the stirrup steps at all four corners. Can anyone identify this car and know anything of it's history? My ORER's only date back to 1949 and do not show this particular car number in the North American listings. Tom Olsen 7 Boundary Road, West Branch Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479 (302) 738-4292 tmolsen@udel.edu SPONSORED LINKS Worldwide travel insurance Travel trailer insurance International travel insurance Travel insurance usa Travel medical insurance Csa travel insurance --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
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Re: Tank Cars
Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
Eldon,
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The car is riveted, has wooden running boards, and has the parallelogram with the name within on the side of the tank. As I do not have the capacity to make scans I can not at this time send you one. The tank also has a single long running board to service the tank domes. The photo is a 3/4 wedge shot taken from the end corner looking up so the built date is almost illegible, but appears ?? to be, perhaps, either 2-25 or 8-25! Tom Olsen Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479 Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Tom;
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Re: CORRECTION: CGW "PS-Zero" Boxcar Article (was PS-1 Boxcars)
Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:
Tim - The only error that I can detect in your statement is that the CGW 1937 AAR box cars had riveted, not welded Pullman-Standard ends. I have builder's photographs of all three classes of cars noted above. I wish people would stop calling these PS-0 ends since they appeared on numerous Pullman-built cars from this era including Seaboard turtle- back cars and C&EI express box cars to name a few, as well as the CGW AAR box cars. FYI: there is no such thing as a "PS-0" except in the minds of modelers. If aircraft modelers started inventing terms for jet fighter aircraft (which they don't), this old McAir/Boeing aerospace engineer would really get worked up. Pat Wider
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AC&Y H.S. Convention.
Edwin C. Kirstatter <Q1xaMacArthur1@...>
et al,
If any of you might happen to be in Northeastern Ohio this next Saturday 12 November we are having our 10th Annual Convention again in Sharon, Ohio at the Town Hall on the circle. This year we have two guest speakers: In the afternoon will be Mr. William Snyder author of "The Rattle Snake and the Ramsey" (The Lorain Ashland and Southern Railroad). In the evening we will have Mr. Chip Symes an engineer with NS now and started with PC. His program will be a slide show about the PRR Huletts in Cleveland. We will have many vendors. For a start our AC&Y Co. store, B&OHS Co. store. E-L HS, Milepost Pub., Railhead Pub. Model Tech, Inc. and several others. We will have our usual model contest run by our chairman Stan Raydowicz. Besides ACY models we welcome PRR models as our feature connection this year. All categories are open for both roads. You don't have to be a member to attend. See you there? Edwin C. Kirstatter, Treas.
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Re: Tank car dome from Detail Associates
Tony Thompson
Bill Welch wrote:
Detail associates has a tank car dome in their parts line, cast inAs several have replied, Bill, it's for the Athearn tank car. And though it's true I published an article on converting one of these models for SP use, I got my ideas and the basics of my method from a Richard Hfendrickson article years before in _Prototype Modeler_ magazine. I have one of the DA resin domes and will try a conversion, but it involves removing the Athearn dome (which is way too small) and replacing with a hole which will accept the DA dome. They once made a white metal part for this purpose (experimentally only, I am told), and Richard did one of those conversions too. I guess I should look back at his article to see if there are "helpful hints" I should know about. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: H21 and H22 brake systems
Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Hansmann" <ehansmann@a...> wrote:
<SNIP> Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated. Eric, The next project for the PRR Pro group is the H21 hopper, and is due to start soon. This will involve discussions over not only upgrading the Bowser kit, but also those who are building Westerfield's kit. I'll be doing both... but my Westerfield kit will actually be 'bashed into a W&LE quad, by making all the hopper doors face inward, and modifying the ends. Now that I have the kit, I'm a bit worried about re- orienting the hoppers, it looks more difficult than I thought! Anyhow, I would recommend joining that group, you can get help or help us, as the case may be. It is due to start soon. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRRPro Dean Payne
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