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Re: Barber S2 Trucks with spring planks

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Richard, Pat, Tim and List,

Thank you all for your remarks regarding these trucks. A little
assistance from one's peers goes a long way! I should have looked into
my Car Builder's Cyclopedia's a little closer rather than just looking
at the photograph of the model. I was so intent on looking at the
spring package that I failed to see the springs over the journal boxes
and the outer shape of the truck side frames.

In regard to uses other than the Pfaudler cars, I have not as yet seen
other equipment equipped with this particular truck. That does not mean
that they were not used, just that I have not come across one yet.
Since the price quoted for the trucks in bulk was so low, I probably
will see if the spring package matches the size of the one in the
Branchline S-2 spring-plankless trucks. If they do, then I will cut them
out and use the spring package from the Intermountain truck in place of
the one in the Branchline truck frame. Unfortunately, my inquiries of
Branchline in regard to their S-2 without spring planks (Part #100019)
has not gone anywhere as I have been advised that they are still
backordered and unavailable.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Oct 5, 2005, at 6:42 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Tom, what other freight or express cars used these trucks? They
don't look like ordinary freight car S-2's.

Tim is correct, the truck on the IM Pfaudler milk cars are high speed
Barber trucks and are quite different in appearance from the S-2 trucks
with spring planks used on cars in freight service.

Richard Hendrickson





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Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

22200-22449 were AF-3's. 9100-9149 were A-2's. 10000-10199 were AF's.

Pat Wider

David,

If the 22200 series was AF, does that mean 9100-9149 were AF-3 ?
I believe the source of the AF-3 identification was Hendrickson's
RMJ 1/1998 article.

Tim O.


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

Schuyler Larrabee
 

OK, Sam, I hereby request just what you said.

And as Tim said, a narrower (scale width) box, please.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of mail@kadee.com
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:29 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA,
and Scale Size

Pat,

All of the black packaged #58 couplers are the newer no
gap version.

Bulk packaging the #78 coupler may require more requests
from the modelers, the more demands we receive the closer we
look at the project.

One selling point our #78 has over the Accumate scale
coupler is the coupler swing. Our #78 has a lot more swing
than the Accumate scale box will allow, it even has more than
#5 coupler, and it's all metal.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and
Scale Size


Sam,

Thanks for the clarification concerning gaps and package
colors! I guess
black label and
green label only apply to sour mash whiskey. Can you clarify one
additional thing? If the
#58 package is black and has the bar code, is it certain to contain
couplers without the
dreaded "Gap"? My x-ray vision isn't what it used to be.

Also, now that I have your attention: when are you going to
offer the #78
couplers sans
gap in some sort of bulk package????? Hmmmmm??????? I
could potentially
buy hundreds
of the things but at a piddly four per pack???? No way. I
would bet that
they're not selling
all that well that way. Ergo, I had to special order them
at my local
hobby shop. The first
order they've ever had for them. 98% of the hobbyists wear
funny vests
and don't buy RP
CYC and don't find anything wrong with your standard line
of couplers.
Some will even use
the cheap rip-offs. As you can tell from this thread, many serious
prototype modelers are
in a quandary as to what "scale" coupler to buy. Some are
convinced that
the Sergent
coupler is the way to go. I'm not. Others like the
Accumate thingy. I
don't. Convince me
and others that the #78 is the way to go. A four pack is OK for
experimental purposes but
if I and others are going to convert a couple of hundred
cars, we need a
better option.
Quantity purchases can produce a profit for you as well.

Pat Wider


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mail@k...> wrote:
Hello Pat Wider, and others,

I've been follow this thread, quite an interesting discussion.

To clarify a couple of items: First, the color of the
#58 coupler
packaging was changed from pinkish red to black to
accommodate the need
for
a readable bar code not to distinguish the change in the
"gap" of the
knuckle. That's why the #78 package is the same for both
the knuckle
with
the gap and the one without, it came out after we bar coded the
packaging.

The price of the #78 has nothing to with the gap. Last
October we had
an
across the board price increase on all of our products,
the first in a
very
very long time. Just like every business in the world we
still need to
make
a profit (perhaps a small one) and with the costs of
everything going up
it
continues to be a daily challenge.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products






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Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Not the people with 1940 Car Cyc's!! (see page 143).

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:

Magor was still running the MEC cars in ads in Railway Age in 1947;
perhaps this is why people are confused about the build dates! :-)

Tim O.


Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

Tim O'Connor
 

David Thompson wrote

[ >>> The MEC 9000 cars were blt in 1949, late for a 10'-0" car. ]

They were built by Magor in 1939.

Magor was still running the MEC cars in ads in Railway Age in 1947;
perhaps this is why people are confused about the build dates! :-)

Tim O.


Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

Tim O'Connor
 

I show the SAL DD box classes AF-1 and AF-2 as 40' round roof (ala
PRR) and AF-3 (10'-1") 22200- series as 40' cars. Maybe my notes
are in error.
The SAL cars in question were class AF, with no numeric suffix.

David,

If the 22200 series was AF, does that mean 9100-9149 were AF-3 ?
I believe the source of the AF-3 identification was Hendrickson's
RMJ 1/1998 article.

Tim O.


Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

Tim O'Connor
 

Kevin Lafferty posted roster info some time ago that PM 72000-72099
were built in 1940 with W-corner 5/5 ends and Viking roofs. Was that
not correct?
Close. Viking roofs, 5/4 ends with rounded corners.
David Thompson

Thanks David. Of these cars, did any have roofs other than Viking?

PM series 71000-71249 blt ? ?
PM series 71250-71349 blt 1936 S-corner
PM series 72000-72099 blt 1940 W-corner Duryea 4/5 ends
PM series 72100-72199 blt 1941-1942 W-corner Duryea 5/5 ends

There is a pretty good 1957 color photo of PM #72134 with end
doors in the "Dan Smith" duplicate slide collection. I have a
scan if you're interested. It shows the 1932 ship lap panels
pretty well.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Brian,
It's off to the LHS for me. The only problem I had with the 58/78s is not having them adjusted properly. DUH.
I am constantly amazed at guys that insist on using the plastic rip-offs because they work fine. What they are saying is "I'm too cheap to pay extra money for couplers I already have" I'm not flaming here, I've actually heard that. I had the plastic springs freeze open or get damaged in transit in my Proto Power West boxes hours after I finished the car. My Kadees nary a problem.
Like Grandpa Manley used to say, "Nuff said"

Sincerly,
Rob Manley
Midwest Mod-U-Trak
"I know that. It's just that I love boxcars and I love to read the names on them like Missouri Pacific, Great Northern, Rock Island Line"
On the Road----Jack Kerouac

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian J Carlson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size


Rob the newer Kadee gauges come with both #5 and #58 couplers. I was
surprised when I replaced my old one which was lost somewhere along the
line.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
----- Original Message -----
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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size


> Sam,
> Count me in on the #78s in bulk packaging. All of my new cars get them as
the defacto standard. Any of the cars that get damaged running at the train
shows are repaired with 78s when possible. I've replaced the draft gear on
Kato covered hoppers with 78s and found it was easier than trying to get the
58s to work in thier awful coupler box.
> We exhibit at 4 shows a year, 3 are general public and 1 is Napervile. The
train show crowd does notice the scale couplers I've installed and they
notice that they operate just fine in public. I make it a point to show them
off when ever I am asked about my freight cars. When new or non modelers ask
why our railroad looks different than all the other layouts we point out our
code 70 rail and Kadee 58 / 78 couplers. And we don't wear any vests.
> As for my request, how about a scale coupler height gauge?
> Thank You,
> Rob Manley
> Midwest Mod-U-Trak
> The best part of a new kit is I still get to throw out the couplers.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mail@kadee.com
> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale
Size
>
>
> Pat,
>
> All of the black packaged #58 couplers are the newer no gap version.
>
> Bulk packaging the #78 coupler may require more requests from the
> modelers, the more demands we receive the closer we look at the project.
>
> One selling point our #78 has over the Accumate scale coupler is the
> coupler swing. Our #78 has a lot more swing than the Accumate scale box
will
> allow, it even has more than #5 coupler, and it's all metal.
>
> Sam Clarke
> Kadee Quality Products
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:51 PM
> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size
>
>
> > Sam,
> >
> > Thanks for the clarification concerning gaps and package colors! I
guess
> black label and
> > green label only apply to sour mash whiskey. Can you clarify one
> additional thing? If the
> > #58 package is black and has the bar code, is it certain to contain
> couplers without the
> > dreaded "Gap"? My x-ray vision isn't what it used to be.
> >
> > Also, now that I have your attention: when are you going to offer the
#78
> couplers sans
> > gap in some sort of bulk package????? Hmmmmm??????? I could
potentially
> buy hundreds
> > of the things but at a piddly four per pack???? No way. I would bet
that
> they're not selling
> > all that well that way. Ergo, I had to special order them at my local
> hobby shop. The first
> > order they've ever had for them. 98% of the hobbyists wear funny
vests
> and don't buy RP
> > CYC and don't find anything wrong with your standard line of couplers.
> Some will even use
> > the cheap rip-offs. As you can tell from this thread, many serious
> prototype modelers are
> > in a quandary as to what "scale" coupler to buy. Some are convinced
that
> the Sergent
> > coupler is the way to go. I'm not. Others like the Accumate thingy.
I
> don't. Convince me
> > and others that the #78 is the way to go. A four pack is OK for
> experimental purposes but
> > if I and others are going to convert a couple of hundred cars, we need
a
> better option.
> > Quantity purchases can produce a profit for you as well.
> >
> > Pat Wider
> >
> >
> > --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mail@k...> wrote:
> > > Hello Pat Wider, and others,
> > >
> > > I've been follow this thread, quite an interesting discussion.
> > >
> > > To clarify a couple of items: First, the color of the #58 coupler
> > > packaging was changed from pinkish red to black to accommodate the
need
> for
> > > a readable bar code not to distinguish the change in the "gap" of
the
> > > knuckle. That's why the #78 package is the same for both the knuckle
> with
> > > the gap and the one without, it came out after we bar coded the
> packaging.
> > >
> > > The price of the #78 has nothing to with the gap. Last October we
had
> an
> > > across the board price increase on all of our products, the first in
a
> very
> > > very long time. Just like every business in the world we still need
to
> make
> > > a profit (perhaps a small one) and with the costs of everything
going up
> it
> > > continues to be a daily challenge.
> > >
> > > Sam Clarke
> > > Kadee Quality Products
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

baltimoreterminal <ktravers@...>
 

David:

Thanks for the corrections. My notes are modified!

Travers, BaltimoreTerminal, 10-7-05



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, James D Thompson <jaydeet@i...> wrote:


I show the SAL DD box classes AF-1 and AF-2 as 40' round roof (ala
PRR) and AF-3 (10'-1") 22200- series as 40' cars. Maybe my notes
are in error.
The SAL cars in question were class AF, with no numeric suffix.

I also show the SOO 175000 series as 10'-1" IH, per msg 24646 on
this list.
That's due to a variation in floor thickness.

N&W had a lot of home made equipment, inlcuding B-3 52000-52999
blt 1936-39. Info per MainLine Modeler 10/90, p14.

Clones of the round-roof PRR X32, and scion to the homemade
class B-4.

The MEC 9000 cars were blt in 1949, late for a 10'-0" car.
They were built by Magor in 1939.

Pere Marquette had 10'-0" 72150-72199 blt 1942 per RailModel
Journal 9/96 p. 52.

Still ARA derivatives.

David Thompson


Re: SP Freight Train Numbers (was UP...right and left indications)

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On Oct 6, 11:03am, Mike Brock wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SP Freight Train Numbers
Getting serious for a moment...one would have to conclude that the
dispatcher DID know. I wonder what form he used? I mean...the
Dispatcher's
Record of Movement of Trains as reproduced in The Streamliner has a huge
amount of unused space that COULD have included the train's symbol...but
doesn't. Any ideas?
Mike,

They must send a different version of The Streamliner to you
Wyoming boys. The dispatcher's sheet on pg 24 of MY copy of The
Streamliner, Vol 1, No 3, clearly shows the train numbers (or "Extra").

Heck, Larry Jackman probably KNOWS the dispr, super, asst. super,
TM, chief DS, and asst. chief DS that are listed on the page.

Regards,

-Jeff

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interesting COSX tank car in MR

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

Folks,

The lead photo for an article called "Pipeline on Rails" in this month's
Model Railroader (page 56, November 2005) shows a string of tank cars at
the Mid-Continent refinery in Tulsa OK in 1942. At the near end is COSX
2269. The neat thing about this car is that it is a 2 dome car that
appears to have been made from a single dome car with a second dome
grafted onto one end - making 2 compartments with what appears to be very
different volumes. The image is from the Library of Congress
(LC-USW3-010050) but it doesn't appear to be on-line.

There is some interesting information on refinery output in the article
but in spite of the title the article has little or no useful information
on tank cars.

Regards
Bruce

Brue Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Rob the newer Kadee gauges come with both #5 and #58 couplers. I was
surprised when I replaced my old one which was lost somewhere along the
line.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: <robev1630@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size


Sam,
Count me in on the #78s in bulk packaging. All of my new cars get them as
the defacto standard. Any of the cars that get damaged running at the train
shows are repaired with 78s when possible. I've replaced the draft gear on
Kato covered hoppers with 78s and found it was easier than trying to get the
58s to work in thier awful coupler box.
We exhibit at 4 shows a year, 3 are general public and 1 is Napervile. The
train show crowd does notice the scale couplers I've installed and they
notice that they operate just fine in public. I make it a point to show them
off when ever I am asked about my freight cars. When new or non modelers ask
why our railroad looks different than all the other layouts we point out our
code 70 rail and Kadee 58 / 78 couplers. And we don't wear any vests.
As for my request, how about a scale coupler height gauge?
Thank You,
Rob Manley
Midwest Mod-U-Trak
The best part of a new kit is I still get to throw out the couplers.
----- Original Message -----
From: mail@kadee.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale
Size


Pat,

All of the black packaged #58 couplers are the newer no gap version.

Bulk packaging the #78 coupler may require more requests from the
modelers, the more demands we receive the closer we look at the project.

One selling point our #78 has over the Accumate scale coupler is the
coupler swing. Our #78 has a lot more swing than the Accumate scale box
will
allow, it even has more than #5 coupler, and it's all metal.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size


> Sam,
>
> Thanks for the clarification concerning gaps and package colors! I
guess
black label and
> green label only apply to sour mash whiskey. Can you clarify one
additional thing? If the
> #58 package is black and has the bar code, is it certain to contain
couplers without the
> dreaded "Gap"? My x-ray vision isn't what it used to be.
>
> Also, now that I have your attention: when are you going to offer the
#78
couplers sans
> gap in some sort of bulk package????? Hmmmmm??????? I could
potentially
buy hundreds
> of the things but at a piddly four per pack???? No way. I would bet
that
they're not selling
> all that well that way. Ergo, I had to special order them at my local
hobby shop. The first
> order they've ever had for them. 98% of the hobbyists wear funny
vests
and don't buy RP
> CYC and don't find anything wrong with your standard line of couplers.
Some will even use
> the cheap rip-offs. As you can tell from this thread, many serious
prototype modelers are
> in a quandary as to what "scale" coupler to buy. Some are convinced
that
the Sergent
> coupler is the way to go. I'm not. Others like the Accumate thingy.
I
don't. Convince me
> and others that the #78 is the way to go. A four pack is OK for
experimental purposes but
> if I and others are going to convert a couple of hundred cars, we need
a
better option.
> Quantity purchases can produce a profit for you as well.
>
> Pat Wider
>
>
> --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mail@k...> wrote:
> > Hello Pat Wider, and others,
> >
> > I've been follow this thread, quite an interesting discussion.
> >
> > To clarify a couple of items: First, the color of the #58 coupler
> > packaging was changed from pinkish red to black to accommodate the
need
for
> > a readable bar code not to distinguish the change in the "gap" of
the
> > knuckle. That's why the #78 package is the same for both the knuckle
with
> > the gap and the one without, it came out after we bar coded the
packaging.
> >
> > The price of the #78 has nothing to with the gap. Last October we
had
an
> > across the board price increase on all of our products, the first in
a
very
> > very long time. Just like every business in the world we still need
to
make
> > a profit (perhaps a small one) and with the costs of everything
going up
it
> > continues to be a daily challenge.
> >
> > Sam Clarke
> > Kadee Quality Products
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

I show the SAL DD box classes AF-1 and AF-2 as 40' round roof (ala
PRR) and AF-3 (10'-1") 22200- series as 40' cars. Maybe my notes
are in error.
The SAL cars in question were class AF, with no numeric suffix.

I also show the SOO 175000 series as 10'-1" IH, per msg 24646 on
this list.
That's due to a variation in floor thickness.

N&W had a lot of home made equipment, inlcuding B-3 52000-52999 blt
1936-39. Info per MainLine Modeler 10/90, p14.
Clones of the round-roof PRR X32, and scion to the homemade class B-4.

The MEC 9000 cars were blt in 1949, late for a 10'-0" car.
They were built by Magor in 1939.

Pere Marquette had 10'-0" 72150-72199 blt 1942 10'-0" per RailModel
Journal 9/96 p. 52.
Still ARA derivatives.

David Thompson


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Rob Manley asked:
"As for my request, how about a scale coupler height gauge?"

Just take one of the current production Kadee coupler height gauges and replace the #5 with a #58, which drops right in.


Ben Hom


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Sam,
Count me in on the #78s in bulk packaging. All of my new cars get them as the defacto standard. Any of the cars that get damaged running at the train shows are repaired with 78s when possible. I've replaced the draft gear on Kato covered hoppers with 78s and found it was easier than trying to get the 58s to work in thier awful coupler box.
We exhibit at 4 shows a year, 3 are general public and 1 is Napervile. The train show crowd does notice the scale couplers I've installed and they notice that they operate just fine in public. I make it a point to show them off when ever I am asked about my freight cars. When new or non modelers ask why our railroad looks different than all the other layouts we point out our code 70 rail and Kadee 58 / 78 couplers. And we don't wear any vests.
As for my request, how about a scale coupler height gauge?
Thank You,
Rob Manley
Midwest Mod-U-Trak
The best part of a new kit is I still get to throw out the couplers.

----- Original Message -----
From: mail@kadee.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size


Pat,

All of the black packaged #58 couplers are the newer no gap version.

Bulk packaging the #78 coupler may require more requests from the
modelers, the more demands we receive the closer we look at the project.

One selling point our #78 has over the Accumate scale coupler is the
coupler swing. Our #78 has a lot more swing than the Accumate scale box will
allow, it even has more than #5 coupler, and it's all metal.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size


> Sam,
>
> Thanks for the clarification concerning gaps and package colors! I guess
black label and
> green label only apply to sour mash whiskey. Can you clarify one
additional thing? If the
> #58 package is black and has the bar code, is it certain to contain
couplers without the
> dreaded "Gap"? My x-ray vision isn't what it used to be.
>
> Also, now that I have your attention: when are you going to offer the #78
couplers sans
> gap in some sort of bulk package????? Hmmmmm??????? I could potentially
buy hundreds
> of the things but at a piddly four per pack???? No way. I would bet that
they're not selling
> all that well that way. Ergo, I had to special order them at my local
hobby shop. The first
> order they've ever had for them. 98% of the hobbyists wear funny vests
and don't buy RP
> CYC and don't find anything wrong with your standard line of couplers.
Some will even use
> the cheap rip-offs. As you can tell from this thread, many serious
prototype modelers are
> in a quandary as to what "scale" coupler to buy. Some are convinced that
the Sergent
> coupler is the way to go. I'm not. Others like the Accumate thingy. I
don't. Convince me
> and others that the #78 is the way to go. A four pack is OK for
experimental purposes but
> if I and others are going to convert a couple of hundred cars, we need a
better option.
> Quantity purchases can produce a profit for you as well.
>
> Pat Wider
>
>
> --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mail@k...> wrote:
> > Hello Pat Wider, and others,
> >
> > I've been follow this thread, quite an interesting discussion.
> >
> > To clarify a couple of items: First, the color of the #58 coupler
> > packaging was changed from pinkish red to black to accommodate the need
for
> > a readable bar code not to distinguish the change in the "gap" of the
> > knuckle. That's why the #78 package is the same for both the knuckle
with
> > the gap and the one without, it came out after we bar coded the
packaging.
> >
> > The price of the #78 has nothing to with the gap. Last October we had
an
> > across the board price increase on all of our products, the first in a
very
> > very long time. Just like every business in the world we still need to
make
> > a profit (perhaps a small one) and with the costs of everything going up
it
> > continues to be a daily challenge.
> >
> > Sam Clarke
> > Kadee Quality Products
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Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

baltimoreterminal <ktravers@...>
 

Bill and Pat:

I show the SAL DD box classes AF-1 and AF-2 as 40' round roof (ala
PRR) and AF-3 (10'-1") 22200- series as 40' cars. Maybe my notes
are in error.

I also show the SOO 175000 series as 10'-1" IH, per msg 24646 on
this list.

N&W had a lot of home made equipment, inlcuding B-3 52000-52999 blt
1936-39. Info per MainLine Modeler 10/90, p14.

The MEC 9000 cars were blt in 1949, late for a 10'-0" car.

Pere Marquette had 10'-0" 72150-72199 blt 1942 10'-0" per RailModel
Journal 9/96 p. 52.

Info on the CG cars might be found in a Prototype Modeler article of
9/86, p. 9.

Hope this helps. Looking for any corrections to my notes.

Travers, BaltimoreTerminal, 10-7-05





--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...> wrote:

Bill,

I haven't researched the geneology of these specific cars but they
are 50', have double-doors, and an inside height of 10'-0":

SOO 175000-175498

SOU 40000-40199

MEC 9000-9049

Pat Wider


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bill McCoy" <bugsy451@c...> wrote:
I'm working on a presentation for Naperville on Central of
Georgia steel boxcars. In 1937 the CG started to accumulate a
sizable fleet of 50' door and a half 10' IH boxcars. They have the 4-
5 ends and Murphy square panel roofs that were on so many 1937 AAR
40s. Was there an AAR spec for a 50' version? Was there an AAR spec
for a 40' double door car?

I also have hit a dead end on why the passion for door and a
half 40s and 50s like the Central had. It's a combination of 4' and
6' Younsgstown - Camel doors. I know N&W had a fleet of the combo
40s and the SAL had a fleet of 50s with double 6' doors and plate
ends, all 10' IH.

Can anyone cast any light on the why and wherefores of these
cars? Was it a customer requirement or just eveloution? Any help
will be appreciated.

Bill McCoy
Jax


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

Walter M. Clark
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Denny Anspach <danspach@m...> wrote:

Charlie Vlk comments that the MK5 Kadee model defines the market.

<snip, a whole bunch of interesting (in my opinion) stuff> Denny
goes on to state:
My standard box these days is the scale Accumate Proto.

After the centering boss is removed from the larger box, the AP box
is so designed that it can fit inside any MK 5 box with the AP
coupler shank staying at the same relative level designed for the
original coupler. The length of the box is such that it can reach all
the way to the center sill or the body bolster, if need be- visually
blanking the empty space so prevalent there in many models. Once the
small box is self-centered in the larger box and fastened down, then
the walls (sides, back) of the larger box can be taken down quickly
with a pair of nippers. Left visible is only the pristine new scale
box, nicely centered, looking exactly like it belonged there.

The above method is what I have doing routinely with Sunshine,
Westerfield, Branchline, and Accurail cars with cast or moulded-on
large boxes, not to mention others. For those who are skeptical about
the surprising good visual impact of the small boxes, I would advise
them to just try it. Also, take a look at Ted Culotta's cars in
RMC. <snip, the rest of what he said>

Denny,

'way back before 1990 I found a few Westerfield kits at Longs Drug (I
mean, Train) Store and at least knew enough to understand that MKD-5
couplers were a whole bunch out of scale in both size and appearance.
Not wanting to use dummy couplers I fell back upon the only alternate
at that time - the KD narrow gauge coupler. Had to straighten much of
the curve out of the magnetic actuator but once installed didn't have
to squint nearly as much to convince myself that the couplers looked
prototypical. Now I use the Accurail proto, which is even better
looking. The reason I don't use the Sergent couplers is that they
require the MKD-5 (or a twin thereof) box. Since I don't have a
layout right now I could even use dummy, but don't want to have to go
back and change them when (if?) I ever have a place for a layout
again. And, just to get this a little closer to Steam Era Freight
Cars, along with wanting the most accurate looking couplers I'm going
to try filling in the grooves between the "boards" on my next resin
house car so I can, just maybe, not have to squint as much to make my
efforts look more realistic.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California


Re: NMRA Standards, conventions, magazines, et al

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On Oct 6, 10:38am, Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NMRA Standards, conventions, magazines, et al
Jeff;
Thanks for the clarification. I may be guilty of just thinking about
this whole thing from my viewpoint as a historical society supporter and
prototype modeling supporter, and wondering if those in charge of
various venues truly understand what it is that they should be doing;
assuming they want to address certain needs.
Elden,

Mike Brock has expressed an interest in increasing the attendance
at Prototype Rails. If you (or anyone else) have any ideas for ways we
can increase our appeal, please send me an email.

Unlike some other groups, we *do* solicit feedback. :-)

Thanks,

-Jeff

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Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

Kevin Lafferty posted roster info some time ago that PM 72000-72099
were built in 1940 with W-corner 5/5 ends and Viking roofs. Was that
not correct?
Close. Viking roofs, 5/4 ends with rounded corners.

David Thompson


Kadee 78's

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Pat & list,

Like Mike, I too have a lot of units to change over. While I do not expect anyone to offer to do the 2316 pieces in the collection for free, I know it won't get done at 2 cars per pack! Now, if some gracious manufacturer would sell bulk packs, say, 20 / 10 pair per pack, now I'm interested.
There are 2 reasons: a] I can do them in groups, which lets me feel I'm making progress, and b] I can keep operating the RR till they all get changed over.
Pat, you have one more vote. Do hope the marketing gurus have the faith to proceed.

Fred Freitas

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