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Re: Kadee Couplers

Tim O'Connor
 

Sam Clarke wrote

Bulk packaging the #78 coupler may require more requests from the
modelers, the more demands we receive the closer we look at the project.
PLEASE bulk pack them. Oh and please redo the #78 box too! :-)


Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

Tim O'Connor
 

Pere Marquette 72000-72049, 7' single doors
Subtract these. They trace their lineage back to the old 1920s ARA
design, as do their C&O, Erie, and NKP counterparts. PM 72000-72049 did
have 7-foot openings, but from the outside they looked like regular
double-door cars.
David Thompson

David,

Kevin Lafferty posted roster info some time ago that PM 72000-72099
were built in 1940 with W-corner 5/5 ends and Viking roofs. Was that
not correct?

Tim O.


Re: Sant Fe Dry Ice Reefers

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

If the Cardox car is under CDCX reporting marks, it is also a Merchants Despatch car;
these were converted from box cars.

Roger Hinman

On Oct 5, 2005, at 10:52 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:



Gerald, I'm not aware of any other railroads that owned dry ice cars,
but there were several private owners: Mathieson, Liquid Carbonic
Corp., Merchants Despatch (DCIX), and perhaps others that don't come
readily to mind. All three had cars custom-built for this service, not
converted from conventional reefers as in the case of the Santa Fe
Rr-20 class. I know very little about dry ice traffic on the Santa Fe
and can't say how far or how often their cars went off-line, but I do
know that the travelled from Witt, NM to Southern Calif. on a more or
less regular basis.
Richard Hendrickson
I have a 1958 shot from [Dan Smith/Andy Carlson] of DICX 379 (Pure Carbonic)
that is a 10'6" box car with R+3/4 ends, 10 panel riveted sides (with extra
rivet row in each panel) and a very weird, low, narrow door with 8 hinges.
Taken somewhere in Southern California.

Also have a 1956 shot of a Cardox dry ice car. So that's two more names.

Tim O.



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Re: Sant Fe Dry Ice Reefers

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

Many of the Merchants Despatch dry ice cars were in fact converted from conventional reefers
and even the ones that were custom built were built to standard reefer car(or insulated box) designs.

Roger Hinman

On Oct 6, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:


On Oct 5, 2005, at 9:52 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:





Gerald, I'm not aware of any other railroads that owned dry ice cars,
but there were several private owners: Mathieson, Liquid Carbonic
Corp., Merchants Despatch (DCIX), and perhaps others that don't come
readily to mind. All three had cars custom-built for this
service, not
converted from conventional reefers as in the case of the Santa Fe
Rr-20 class.
At least one ex PRR R7 reefer (X23 style body) converted to dry ice
service and I believe it was owned or leased by Mathieson.
Hopefully, Al Westerfield will have the R7 for us someday soon <VBG>.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Kadee 78s, was Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

Jeff Helm <delta-p@...>
 

Is the 78 coupler and box designed to provide the proper coupling
height when mounted where a molded-on box was, as is the Accumate
Proto (in most cases)?

Thanks,
Jeff Helm


Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

Scott Pitzer
 

Now I get it... it seems ORERs usually show only the usable door opening, and give you no idea there's an extra door.
Scott Pitzer
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From: James D Thompson <jaydeet@inna.net>
Sent: Oct 6, 2005 4:37 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?


"PM 72000-72049 did
have 7-foot openings, but from the outside they looked like regular
double-door cars."

I don't follow this part... an extra door to allow for just one additional
foot
of width?
They were built as regular double-door cars with a 14-foot opening (two
7-foot doors) but the auxiliary door on the left was blocked off by the
special interior lining.

David Thompson





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FW: Athearn News - PS-2 Covered Hopper

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

Here are photos of Athearn's new PS-2. Rungs on the ladders are too
thick, but can probably be chopped off without too much trouble.

Shawn Beckert

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bounce-athearn-134658@publications.horizonhobby.com]On Behalf Of
Athearn
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:02 PM
To: Beckert; Beckert, Shawn
Subject: Athearn News


Greetings!

We have some shots of our new PS2 2893 covered hopper.

In a word . . . . AWESOME.

These are deco samples, so the final products might have a few tweaks to
make them even better. But you'll get the idea from these photos.

Here are some of the features that make these cars so truly outstanding:

Separate, FACTORY INSTALLED grabirons and details. Out of the box, onto the
track!

Photo-etched roofwalk.

"Early" version of this car - note the channel at each end of the body.

Razor-sharp printing.

Machined metal wheels.


So here goes:

End Detail
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/2893/end_detail.JPG

Norfolk & Western - a cool two color paint scheme
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/2893/N-W.JPG

Chesapeake & Ohio
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/2893/C_O.JPG

Burlington Northern - a couple of views
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/2893/BN_a.JPG
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/2893/BN.JPG

ATSF - a couple of views
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/2893/ATSF_a.JPG
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/2893/ATSF.JPG

Conrail
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/2893/Conrail.JPG

Monon - a couple of views
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/2893/Monon_a.JPG
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/2893/Monon.JPG


We plan to have these in stores by the middle of November. If you haven't
contacted your favorite dealer about these, why don't you go ahead and do
that now?



The Folks at Athearn Trains



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Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

"PM 72000-72049 did
have 7-foot openings, but from the outside they looked like regular
double-door cars."

I don't follow this part... an extra door to allow for just one additional foot
of width?
They were built as regular double-door cars with a 14-foot opening (two 7-foot doors) but the auxiliary door on the left was blocked off by the special interior lining.

David Thompson


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

joe binish <joebinish@...>
 

Sam,
As a builder not a hoarder(I only have 40+ kits to build, half resin), I
would very much like to see the 78s in larger qty packaging. I no longer
need the instructions and blister pack!
Thanks,
Joe Binish


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mail@k...> wrote:

Bulk packaging the #78 coupler may require more requests from the
modelers, the more demands we receive the closer we look at the project.
There you have it guys (and gals?) - you can vote with your ballot or vote with your feet.

Pat Wider


Cor-Ten (was: Walthers 34' PS 3 Coal Hopper)

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

Next Question - did any other car builder than Pullman-Standard use
Cor-Ten Steel?
Sure. ACF, Ralston, Mount Vernon, General American, etc. USS wasn't picky about who built cars with their alloys.

David Thompson


Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

Scott Pitzer
 

"PM 72000-72049 did
have 7-foot openings, but from the outside they looked like regular
double-door cars."

I don't follow this part... an extra door to allow for just one additional foot of width?
Scott Pitzer
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From: James D Thompson <jaydeet@inna.net>
Sent: Oct 6, 2005 4:02 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?


Pere Marquette 71000-71249 and 72125-72199 double door cars with end
doors

Pere Marquette 71250-71349, 72050-72099, and 72100-72124 double door
cars, no end doors

Pere Marquette 72000-72049, 7' single doors
Subtract these. They trace their lineage back to the old 1920s ARA
design, as do their C&O, Erie, and NKP counterparts. PM 72000-72049 did
have 7-foot openings, but from the outside they looked like regular
double-door cars.

David Thompson





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Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

Pere Marquette 71000-71249 and 72125-72199 double door cars with end
doors

Pere Marquette 71250-71349, 72050-72099, and 72100-72124 double door
cars, no end doors

Pere Marquette 72000-72049, 7' single doors
Subtract these. They trace their lineage back to the old 1920s ARA design, as do their C&O, Erie, and NKP counterparts. PM 72000-72049 did have 7-foot openings, but from the outside they looked like regular double-door cars.

David Thompson


Re: The Dispatcher Knows (was: SP Freight Train Numbers . . . )

ljack70117@...
 

Kansas is in the good ol US of A. You should get a passport and go there some time and meet Dorothy.
Big grin
On Oct 6, 2005, at 12:39 PM, Mike Brock wrote:


Andy Sperandeo writes:
I don't know how UP or SP dispatchers did it, but Santa Fe dispatchers'
train sheets from the 1940s have a row across the top for train symbols.
It IS possible that the reproduction of the UP Dispatcher's Record of Train
Movements DID have a similar row and it was not copied. Upon further review
it looks like the reproduction MIGHT include several different sections of a
larger sheet. It's hard to say.


Oh, what did those UP engines operating over Cajon Pass have in their
indicators? Just their engine numbers, to conform to Santa Fe rules. So I
can just decal the engine numbers into the indicators and forget about
having to change them - it's good to model the Santa Fe.
And, of course, modeling the UP in Wyoming...as say, opposed to
Kansas...wherever that is <g>...has similar advantages.

Mike Brock
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@adelphia.net
You can't have everything. Where would you put it?


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

SamClarke
 

Pat,

All of the black packaged #58 couplers are the newer no gap version.

Bulk packaging the #78 coupler may require more requests from the
modelers, the more demands we receive the closer we look at the project.

One selling point our #78 has over the Accumate scale coupler is the
coupler swing. Our #78 has a lot more swing than the Accumate scale box will
allow, it even has more than #5 coupler, and it's all metal.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size


Sam,

Thanks for the clarification concerning gaps and package colors! I guess
black label and
green label only apply to sour mash whiskey. Can you clarify one
additional thing? If the
#58 package is black and has the bar code, is it certain to contain
couplers without the
dreaded "Gap"? My x-ray vision isn't what it used to be.

Also, now that I have your attention: when are you going to offer the #78
couplers sans
gap in some sort of bulk package????? Hmmmmm??????? I could potentially
buy hundreds
of the things but at a piddly four per pack???? No way. I would bet that
they're not selling
all that well that way. Ergo, I had to special order them at my local
hobby shop. The first
order they've ever had for them. 98% of the hobbyists wear funny vests
and don't buy RP
CYC and don't find anything wrong with your standard line of couplers.
Some will even use
the cheap rip-offs. As you can tell from this thread, many serious
prototype modelers are
in a quandary as to what "scale" coupler to buy. Some are convinced that
the Sergent
coupler is the way to go. I'm not. Others like the Accumate thingy. I
don't. Convince me
and others that the #78 is the way to go. A four pack is OK for
experimental purposes but
if I and others are going to convert a couple of hundred cars, we need a
better option.
Quantity purchases can produce a profit for you as well.

Pat Wider


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mail@k...> wrote:
Hello Pat Wider, and others,

I've been follow this thread, quite an interesting discussion.

To clarify a couple of items: First, the color of the #58 coupler
packaging was changed from pinkish red to black to accommodate the need
for
a readable bar code not to distinguish the change in the "gap" of the
knuckle. That's why the #78 package is the same for both the knuckle
with
the gap and the one without, it came out after we bar coded the
packaging.

The price of the #78 has nothing to with the gap. Last October we had
an
across the board price increase on all of our products, the first in a
very
very long time. Just like every business in the world we still need to
make
a profit (perhaps a small one) and with the costs of everything going up
it
continues to be a daily challenge.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products






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Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Sam,

Thanks for the clarification concerning gaps and package colors! I guess black label and
green label only apply to sour mash whiskey. Can you clarify one additional thing? If the
#58 package is black and has the bar code, is it certain to contain couplers without the
dreaded "Gap"? My x-ray vision isn't what it used to be.

Also, now that I have your attention: when are you going to offer the #78 couplers sans
gap in some sort of bulk package????? Hmmmmm??????? I could potentially buy hundreds
of the things but at a piddly four per pack???? No way. I would bet that they're not selling
all that well that way. Ergo, I had to special order them at my local hobby shop. The first
order they've ever had for them. 98% of the hobbyists wear funny vests and don't buy RP
CYC and don't find anything wrong with your standard line of couplers. Some will even use
the cheap rip-offs. As you can tell from this thread, many serious prototype modelers are
in a quandary as to what "scale" coupler to buy. Some are convinced that the Sergent
coupler is the way to go. I'm not. Others like the Accumate thingy. I don't. Convince me
and others that the #78 is the way to go. A four pack is OK for experimental purposes but
if I and others are going to convert a couple of hundred cars, we need a better option.
Quantity purchases can produce a profit for you as well.

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mail@k...> wrote:
Hello Pat Wider, and others,

I've been follow this thread, quite an interesting discussion.

To clarify a couple of items: First, the color of the #58 coupler
packaging was changed from pinkish red to black to accommodate the need for
a readable bar code not to distinguish the change in the "gap" of the
knuckle. That's why the #78 package is the same for both the knuckle with
the gap and the one without, it came out after we bar coded the packaging.

The price of the #78 has nothing to with the gap. Last October we had an
across the board price increase on all of our products, the first in a very
very long time. Just like every business in the world we still need to make
a profit (perhaps a small one) and with the costs of everything going up it
continues to be a daily challenge.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products


Re: Were there 10' IH 50' 1937 AAR DD boxcars?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 6, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Patrick Wider wrote:

I haven't researched the geneology of these specific cars but they are 50', have double-
doors, and an inside height of 10'-0":

SOO 175000-175498

SOU 40000-40199

MEC 9000-9049
Add:

SAL 10000-10199 with double doors and X29 style riveted ends and roof (like the SAL B-6 class box cars)

KCS 25000-25049 with 6' Pullman single doors

Pere Marquette 71000-71249 and 72125-72199 double door cars with end doors

Pere Marquette 71250-71349, 72050-72099, and 72100-72124 double door cars, no end doors

Pere Marquette 72000-72049, 7' single doors

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

SamClarke
 

Hello Pat Wider, and others,

I've been follow this thread, quite an interesting discussion.

To clarify a couple of items: First, the color of the #58 coupler
packaging was changed from pinkish red to black to accommodate the need for
a readable bar code not to distinguish the change in the "gap" of the
knuckle. That's why the #78 package is the same for both the knuckle with
the gap and the one without, it came out after we bar coded the packaging.

The price of the #78 has nothing to with the gap. Last October we had an
across the board price increase on all of our products, the first in a very
very long time. Just like every business in the world we still need to make
a profit (perhaps a small one) and with the costs of everything going up it
continues to be a daily challenge.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 12:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size


Hey! I just discovered an older pack of #78 couplers with "The Gap"!!!!
And the package
has the same color as the other!!! What the?????????????????

Note that the #78 pack without "The Gap" cost 50 cents more than the #78
pack with "The
Gap"!!!!!!! Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pat Wider


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...> wrote:
Andreas,

My #78 couplers don't have "The Gap". Remember: Black Label #58
couplers: no Gap
and Green Label #58 couplers have "The Gap". Just like Jack Daniels,
"Black Label" is
better.

Pat Wider

I have # 58 couplers without "The Gap", but have the # 78 couplers too
been changed
to
the new design without gap?

Andreas Kuehnpast





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Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Hey! I just discovered an older pack of #78 couplers with "The Gap"!!!! And the package
has the same color as the other!!! What the?????????????????

Note that the #78 pack without "The Gap" cost 50 cents more than the #78 pack with "The
Gap"!!!!!!! Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pat Wider


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...> wrote:
Andreas,

My #78 couplers don't have "The Gap". Remember: Black Label #58 couplers: no Gap
and Green Label #58 couplers have "The Gap". Just like Jack Daniels, "Black Label" is
better.

Pat Wider

I have # 58 couplers without "The Gap", but have the # 78 couplers too been changed
to
the new design without gap?

Andreas Kuehnpast


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, The NMRA, and Scale Size

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Andreas,

My #78 couplers don't have "The Gap". Remember: Black Label #58 couplers: no Gap
and Green Label #58 couplers have "The Gap". Just like Jack Daniels, "Black Label" is
better.

Pat Wider

I have # 58 couplers without "The Gap", but have the # 78 couplers too been changed to
the new design without gap?

Andreas Kuehnpast

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