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RP CYC 12

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

As I recall, there was a posting to this list from Ed Hawkins well in advance giving the details of what was in this issue, the advance purchase price, drop dead cut-off date, etc. I know I saw it because that is what prompted me to order it.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
Couplers.

Arnold van Heyst
 

A short comment from the Netherlands,

Kadee #12/58/78/2100 are the best working, and the best looking couplers for U.S. models.
For instance:
I've replaced the MäTrix U.P. cabooses standaard couplers with #78 incl. airhose, etc.
Same for the MäTrix Big Boy:
I've modified de "58" box, and add the coupler in it, and glued it in the tenderframe.
Most of my cars are fitted wit 58's.
It looks so much better with it, especially with the Proto 2000 8.000/10.000 gallon cars.
For me?
No Sergent, but Kadee scalecouplers.
Oh..............i'm about the replace the old Kadee boxcars with #2100 retrofit.

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.


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Tungsten & Depleted Uranium (was Scale Coupler boxes)

Andy Carlson
 

22 years ago a friend was engaged in making a N scale
engine for challenging the title of most N scale cars
pulled by a single locomotive. The then champ was a
kitbash of 2 GE U30CG wide bodies with 16 wheel drive.
That locomotive was weighted with depleted uranium
(the builder was a retired Nasa engineer) and could
pull 400+ cars, I recall. To make my friends N&W John
Henry heavy, I supplied a big chunck of tungsten,
which is about 1/2 again more dense than lead, and a
bit more than the depleted uranium. The finished loco
weighed 1 1/2 pounds (this is N scale) but never got a
chance for a pull off. Politics by the current record
holder dictated that these contests served no purpose,
so he retired the loco "undefeated". The tungsten had
to be broken into pieces.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai Ca

--- Patrick Wider <pwider@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Back at Boeing, I know an engineer who has a very
large chunk of tungsten on his desk as
a gag. Unsuspecting people come along, curiosity
overcomes them, and more often than
not, they try to pick it up. It's a riot to see the
look on their faces when they can barely
budge the thing. And God forbid they should
accidently drop it on their foot. The stuff
would make ideal hidden weights for flat cars. So
would depleted uranium.
Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks

Andy Carlson
 

Interesting side note: the "G" in D&G is for Jim
Gerstley, the one who has graciously shared his 50's
color freight car slides with us.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- Patrick Wider <pwider@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

At the risk of going slightly off subject, D&G makes
HO-scale passenger car trucks such
that their springs actually compress and the trucks
actually equalize. And in case there's
still any lingering doubt due to my screw-up: THE
COMPANY IS STILL IN BUSINESS!!!!!
Re: Couplers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 7, 2005, at 8:25 PM, Jared Harper wrote:

Okay Richard, you're a Chevrolet man. Some of us prefer Fords.
Actually, Jared, I'm a Subaru man; my current ride is a WRX wagon. As the street version of Subaru's rally cars, it's a practical little rig that will outperform most sports cars, has all-wheel drive, and doesn't slurp fuel. I wouldn't have either a Chevy or a Ford in my garage until Ford and GM figure out how to match the Japanese manufacturers in quality, reliability, and value for money, and they're still trying to play catch-up. I am, however, contemplating having a scene on my diorama of new 1947 Fords being unloaded from an auto car equipped with Evans racks (obligatory STMFC content).

Richard Hendrickson
Re: RP CYC 12

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Take it off line Bob. My original comment about the whole thing had a smiley face after it.

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bob Webber <no17@c...> wrot

Spoken from the UP management booklet on how to treat loyal
customers. Screw 'em, life's tough then you die. Well put.

It will be a lesson I remember as I deal with it from here on out.


At 09:33 PM 10/7/2005, you wrote:
Message: 9
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:25:52 -0000
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...>
Subject: Re: RP Cyc 12


Duly noted. Life is tough.

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bob Webber <no17@c...> wrote:

And, I would say Nuts to you as well. In the past, I was given
notice it was due out - this trip, I was not. So, I may buy it
retail. But, I wish some one would be consistent. Oh wait, is that
trying to be LIKE Mainline Modeler?

At 06:18 PM 10/7/2005, you wrote:
Message: 19
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:56:34 -0000
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...>
Subject: Re: RP Cyc 12

And to you guys who send
us $19.95 well after the cut-off date with back-dated checks just to
save 5 bucks, I say
nuts! Go buy Mainline Modeler! (-:}

Thanks for the kind words John!!!!!!

Pat Wider
Bob Webber
Bob Webber
Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

SGL, you don't mind if I call you "S"?

Amen to everything you said!!! My eyesight is getting so bad I'm lucky if I can see the
derailed car in a long string. I wondered how the heck you could see the truck sideframes
moving around. You must be a young snot!!!!! <g>

Pat Wider

HO, Pat, and my club's got VERY good track work, laid almost exclusively by one man
who's got Very
High Standards. But even on very good trackwork there are occasional joints that don't
PERFECTLY
match, and switchwork with high numbers, where equalization does help, and id visible.
Mostly, the
trucks that do have the equalization are the Dan Kilgore trucks, which have pretty
wimpy springs. I
don't have trackwork of my own (except for the small amount I've laid at the Club).

I do believe there's a market, small, maybe, for a line of Really Superb Scale Trucks.
Springs with
appropriate visual density, low spring rates, all the parts (brakeshoes, etc) and that if
these were
available at a not-too-stratospheric price, changing out trucks would be as common as
it used to be
to toss the x2f's as far as one could, and replace with Kadees.


SGL
Re: Scale Coupler boxes

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Back at Boeing, I know an engineer who has a very large chunk of tungsten on his desk as
a gag. Unsuspecting people come along, curiosity overcomes them, and more often than
not, they try to pick it up. It's a riot to see the look on their faces when they can barely
budge the thing. And God forbid they should accidently drop it on their foot. The stuff
would make ideal hidden weights for flat cars. So would depleted uranium. A little goes a
long way. Do you know of a cheap source of either?? (Back Off Mike, we're talking freight
cars here!) This stuff would compress any HO truck spring known to mankind!

Regarding late back-dated checks, there were only three or four of them. The guilty know
who they are!!! (-: Thanks for the complement, Ed and I do appreciate them!!! RP CYC is a
lot of work and we're not getting rich doing them. It's mainly a labor of love. Besides, I
need a tax write-off for the ten grand I just spent on new computer equipment and
software (three grand went to the scanner alone).

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Denny Anspach <danspach@m...> wrote:
Hmm-m. Wow! Have we been reading the same material? I am unaware
that we are disagreeing on about anything.

I will give you high marks for thinking about depleted uranium,
however. Now there would a truck or coupler material that would
completely eliminate any of the usual needs to add car weights.

As to sending in late for RPC 12 and backdating the check, I want to
reassure you that my check in the mail is not backdated, and I
gladly paid you full price for another quality product :-) .

Denny

--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, California
Re: Freight car types

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Ahem, the correct term is: "Push Pole Pocket".

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "bierglaeser" <bierglaeser@y...> wrote:

Polling or poling?

If you know what a poling car is, then you know what them there poling
pockets are for.

Gene Green
Re: Sergent Couplers

tchenoweth@...
 

Schuyler
Have you tried using the Kadee #12 coupler? As of a couple of weeks ago
Kadee has been selling the #58 couplers in a pack of 20 pair along with the flat
centering springs.

I've been following the Sergent coupler comments and they sound nice, but
I understand they have a better one coming out later. We have been hearing
about the Barger couplers for a couple of years and still nothing in sight. I
just wonder how many people will finish a car and put it aside until the
perfect coupler gets produced. The more of the 58 I install the less likely I will
change over to the perfect coupler if and when they arrive.

Just my 2 cents, Tom Chenoweth.
Re: Sergent Couplers

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Jared,

I have been following this thread and you have given my pro/con should
I/shouldn't I convert thoughts a good kick.

I am in the beginning of construction of the outer end of the
Burlingame, KS, branch. All trackwork with any need for switching will
be within two feet of the edge. And this layout only requires around
two dozen cars (most off-stage) to be fully operable. And the mixed
train is powered by a doodlebug.

Changing couplers is not going to be a big deal other than the cost I
am thinking of giving the Sergent couplers a try.

-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Oct 7, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Jared Harper wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@U...> wrote:
  The big bugaboo
> will be the ability to reach the cars and accurately get the wand
into
> position to uncouple the cars, or to be able to align couplers with
the
> cars buried in a yard more than two feet from the benchwork end.  
This
> will really be a test of skill when humping cars, as you will only
have
> seconds to lift ball to uncouple the cars as they go over the hump
or to
> uncouple rear-end helpers on the fly.  Most fellows that I know
will not
> use these couplers as they require the operator to get more
involved in
> the actual work of making and breaking up of trains and in
switching
> operations.  The magnetic couplers in use today allow us to move
along
> quickly in an operating session, while use of the Sergent couplers
will
> bring us back to reality as nothing moves fast in actual  railroad
> switching and in train make-up and break-up operations.  Just like
the
> Army - "Hurry Up and Wait!

I am modeling Santa Fe's Alma branch.  My only yard will be the very
small one at Burlingame.  Most of the switching will be out along the
line where benchwork is 2 feet wide or less.  I will need an 
uncoupling magnet on a stick to reach one location on the wye at
Alma. Passenger cars with diaphrams will not be a consideration
because I will have a single coach, baggage and caboose car.  The
greater level of hands on activity in switching process will make it
more prototypical in my opinion.  We will see.  I will keep folks
posted when I get some experience under my belt.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA




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Re: Freight car types

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Brian J Carlson wrote:
why would the last one be a stumper the pennsy had a few poling cars.
I do not think they were in use in the 50's though.
Brian J Carlson
P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
So had I asked "For what car does the AAR Mechanical Designation YM
signify?" you'd have answered right away w/o looking at an ORER?

Dave Nelson
Re: RP CYC 12

ljack70117@...
 

I can not see the sky here in Florida. Is there a full moon? wow


On Oct 7, 2005, at 10:53 PM, Bob Webber wrote:

Spoken from the UP management booklet on how to treat loyal
customers. Screw 'em, life's tough then you die. Well put.

It will be a lesson I remember as I deal with it from here on out.


At 09:33 PM 10/7/2005, you wrote:

Message: 9
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:25:52 -0000
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RP Cyc 12


Duly noted. Life is tough.

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bob Webber <no17@c...> wrote:


And, I would say Nuts to you as well. In the past, I was given
notice it was due out - this trip, I was not. So, I may buy it
retail. But, I wish some one would be consistent. Oh wait, is that
trying to be LIKE Mainline Modeler?

At 06:18 PM 10/7/2005, you wrote:

Message: 19
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:56:34 -0000
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...>
Subject: Re: RP Cyc 12

And to you guys who send
us $19.95 well after the cut-off date with back-dated checks just to
save 5 bucks, I say
nuts! Go buy Mainline Modeler! (-:}

Thanks for the kind words John!!!!!!

Pat Wider
Bob Webber
thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@adelphia.net
Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens
Re: Couplers

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...>
wrote:

While I understand the appeal of the Sergent coupler for many list
subscribers, it lacks one feature that is absolutely essential for
many
of us, given the nature of our layouts: it can't be remotely
uncoupled. So all the discussion about how to manipulate the @#$%
&*
things is pointless to me; I have to be able to couple and uncouple
cars at a distance without touching them. The only scale-size
couplers
that do that reliably are Kadees.

Richard Hendrickson
Okay Richard, you're a Chevrolet man. Some of us prefer Fords.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA
Re: Sergent Couplers

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@U...> wrote:
The big bugaboo
will be the ability to reach the cars and accurately get the wand
into
position to uncouple the cars, or to be able to align couplers with
the
cars buried in a yard more than two feet from the benchwork end.
This
will really be a test of skill when humping cars, as you will only
have
seconds to lift ball to uncouple the cars as they go over the hump
or to
uncouple rear-end helpers on the fly. Most fellows that I know
will not
use these couplers as they require the operator to get more
involved in
the actual work of making and breaking up of trains and in
switching
operations. The magnetic couplers in use today allow us to move
along
quickly in an operating session, while use of the Sergent couplers
will
bring us back to reality as nothing moves fast in actual railroad
switching and in train make-up and break-up operations. Just like
the
Army - "Hurry Up and Wait!
I am modeling Santa Fe's Alma branch. My only yard will be the very
small one at Burlingame. Most of the switching will be out along the
line where benchwork is 2 feet wide or less. I will need an
uncoupling magnet on a stick to reach one location on the wye at
Alma. Passenger cars with diaphrams will not be a consideration
because I will have a single coach, baggage and caboose car. The
greater level of hands on activity in switching process will make it
more prototypical in my opinion. We will see. I will keep folks
posted when I get some experience under my belt.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA
Re: Sergent Couplers

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@U...> wrote:
The big bugaboo
will be the ability to reach the cars and accurately get the wand
into
position to uncouple the cars, or to be able to align couplers with
the
cars buried in a yard more than two feet from the benchwork end.
This
will really be a test of skill when humping cars, as you will only
have
seconds to lift ball to uncouple the cars as they go over the hump
or to
uncouple rear-end helpers on the fly. Most fellows that I know
will not
use these couplers as they require the operator to get more
involved in
the actual work of making and breaking up of trains and in
switching
operations. The magnetic couplers in use today allow us to move
along
quickly in an operating session, while use of the Sergent couplers
will
bring us back to reality as nothing moves fast in actual railroad
switching and in train make-up and break-up operations. Just like
the
Army - "Hurry Up and Wait!
I am modeling Santa Fe's Alma branch. My only yard will be the very
small one at Burlingame. Most of the switching will be out along the
line where benchwork is 2 feet wide or less. I will need an
uncoupling magnet on a stick to reach one location on the wye at
Alma. Passenger cars with diaphrams will not be a consideration
because I will have a single coach, baggage and caboose car. The
greater level of hands on activity in switching process will make it
more prototypical in my opinion. We will see. I will keep folks
posted when I get some experience under my belt.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA
Re: Freight car types

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

why would the last one be a stumper the pennsy had a few poling cars. I do
not think they were in use in the 50's though.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Nelson" <muskoka@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Freight car types


This should be fairly accurate for the early 50's. The last one is a good
question that'll stump most everybody.

Dave Nelson
--------------
BH Stock, horse express
BLF Flat, containers, express
BR Reefer, express
BX Box, express
FB Flat, barrel rack
FC Flat, TOFC service
FD Flat, depressed center
FG Flat, gun carridge
FL Flat, logging
FM Flat, merchandise
FMS Flat, merchandise, w/ part rack
FW Flat, well
FWS Flat, well, w/ part racks
GA Gondola, cross bottom drop
GAS Gondola, cross bottom drop
GB Gondola, solid floor; Mill trade
GBC Gondola, solid floor; coke
GBS Gondola, solid floor; w/ par
GD Gondola, side door dump
GE Gondola, cross dump
GH Gondola, outside dump
GHS Gondola, outside dump, w/ part
GRA Gondola, outside dump
GS Gondola, center sill outside dump
GSC Gondola, coke
GSR Gondola, Covered
GT Gondola, coal dumping equipment
GTC Gondola, coal dumping equipment
HD Hopper, ballast dump - outside
HDR Hopper, ballast dump - outside
HE Hopper, not self clearing
HF Hopper, ballast dump in/out
HFA Hopper, divided
HFB Hopper, divided
HK Hopper, ballast dump
HM Hopper, self clearing
HMA Hopper, self clearing
HMC Hopper, self clearing, coke
HMR Hopper, self clearing, w/roof
HT Hopper, cross dump; 3+ doors
HTC Hopper, cross dump; 3+ doors,
HTR Hopper, w/roof
LC Box, muliple doors
LF Flat, containers
LG Gondola, containers
LO Covered hopper
LP Pulpwood
LRC Reefer, dry ice
LTA Tank, granular
MH
MW Misc MOW
MWB Ballast , drop
MWD Ballast, dump
MWE Ballast spreader
MWF Flat, ties or rail
MWT Tool
MWW Wrecking crane
NE Caboose
RA Reefer, brine tank
RAM Reefer, brine tank / meat
RB Reefer, beverage
RBH
RCD Reefer, dry Ice
RF Express Reefer
RP Reefer, mechanical
RS Reefer, standard
RSM Reefer, meat
SC Stock, convertable deck(s)
SD Stock, dump floor
SF Stock, fixed double deck
SH Stock, horse
SM Stock, single deck
SP Stock, poultry
TA Tank, acid
TAI Tank, acid, insulated
TGI Tank, glass, insulated
TL Tank, lined
TLI Tank, lined, insulated
TM Tank
TMI Tank, insulated
TMU Tank
TPI Tank, pressurized, insulated
TR Tank, rubber lined?
TRI Tank, rubber lined?, insulated
TW Tank, wooden
VA Ventilator
VM Ventilator, insulated
VS Ventilator, insulated
XA Box, autos
XAL Box, ??
XAP Box, auto parts; No merchandise
XAR Box, autos; No merchandise
XF Box, furnature
XI Box, Insulated
XM Box, merchandise
XME Box, damage restraints
XMI Box, ??
XML Box, loader; usually auto part
XMP Box, dedicated service
XMR Box, autos & merchandise
XT Box, tank
YM Polling Car






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RP CYC 12

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

Spoken from the UP management booklet on how to treat loyal customers. Screw 'em, life's tough then you die. Well put.

It will be a lesson I remember as I deal with it from here on out.


At 09:33 PM 10/7/2005, you wrote:
Message: 9
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:25:52 -0000
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RP Cyc 12


Duly noted. Life is tough.

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bob Webber <no17@c...> wrote:

And, I would say Nuts to you as well. In the past, I was given
notice it was due out - this trip, I was not. So, I may buy it
retail. But, I wish some one would be consistent. Oh wait, is that
trying to be LIKE Mainline Modeler?

At 06:18 PM 10/7/2005, you wrote:
Message: 19
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:56:34 -0000
From: "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...>
Subject: Re: RP Cyc 12

And to you guys who send
us $19.95 well after the cut-off date with back-dated checks just to
save 5 bucks, I say
nuts! Go buy Mainline Modeler! (-:}

Thanks for the kind words John!!!!!!

Pat Wider
Bob Webber
Bob Webber
Re: Freight car types

Schuyler Larrabee
 

This is good stuff, Dave.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Nelson
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:06 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Freight car types

This should be fairly accurate for the early 50's. The last
one is a good question that'll stump most everybody.

Dave Nelson
--------------
BH Stock, horse express
BLF Flat, containers, express
BR Reefer, express
BX Box, express
FB Flat, barrel rack
FC Flat, TOFC service
FD Flat, depressed center
FG Flat, gun carridge
FL Flat, logging
FM Flat, merchandise
FMS Flat, merchandise, w/ part rack
FW Flat, well
FWS Flat, well, w/ part racks
GA Gondola, cross bottom drop
GAS Gondola, cross bottom drop
GB Gondola, solid floor; Mill trade
GBC Gondola, solid floor; coke
GBS Gondola, solid floor; w/ par
GD Gondola, side door dump
GE Gondola, cross dump
GH Gondola, outside dump
GHS Gondola, outside dump, w/ part
GRA Gondola, outside dump
GS Gondola, center sill outside dump
GSC Gondola, coke
GSR Gondola, Covered
GT Gondola, coal dumping equipment
GTC Gondola, coal dumping equipment
HD Hopper, ballast dump - outside
HDR Hopper, ballast dump - outside
HE Hopper, not self clearing
HF Hopper, ballast dump in/out
HFA Hopper, divided
HFB Hopper, divided
HK Hopper, ballast dump
HM Hopper, self clearing
HMA Hopper, self clearing
HMC Hopper, self clearing, coke
HMR Hopper, self clearing, w/roof
HT Hopper, cross dump; 3+ doors
HTC Hopper, cross dump; 3+ doors,
HTR Hopper, w/roof
LC Box, muliple doors
LF Flat, containers
LG Gondola, containers
LO Covered hopper
LP Pulpwood
LRC Reefer, dry ice
LTA Tank, granular
MH
MW Misc MOW
MWB Ballast , drop
MWD Ballast, dump
MWE Ballast spreader
MWF Flat, ties or rail
MWT Tool
MWW Wrecking crane
NE Caboose
RA Reefer, brine tank
RAM Reefer, brine tank / meat
RB Reefer, beverage
RBH
RCD Reefer, dry Ice
RF Express Reefer
RP Reefer, mechanical
RS Reefer, standard
RSM Reefer, meat
SC Stock, convertable deck(s)
SD Stock, dump floor
SF Stock, fixed double deck
SH Stock, horse
SM Stock, single deck
SP Stock, poultry
TA Tank, acid
TAI Tank, acid, insulated
TGI Tank, glass, insulated
TL Tank, lined
TLI Tank, lined, insulated
TM Tank
TMI Tank, insulated
TMU Tank
TPI Tank, pressurized, insulated
TR Tank, rubber lined?
TRI Tank, rubber lined?, insulated
TW Tank, wooden
VA Ventilator
VM Ventilator, insulated
VS Ventilator, insulated
XA Box, autos
XAL Box, ??
XAP Box, auto parts; No merchandise
XAR Box, autos; No merchandise
XF Box, furnature
XI Box, Insulated
XM Box, merchandise
XME Box, damage restraints
XMI Box, ??
XML Box, loader; usually auto part
XMP Box, dedicated service
XMR Box, autos & merchandise
XT Box, tank
YM Polling Car




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Re: Freight car types

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Gene, I'd suggest posting a ~1950 listing to the files area would be a public service . . .

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bierglaeser
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:27 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight car types

I have a number of ORERs between 1923 and 1960 (actually as late as
1994 but I can't say that here) and would be happy to scan
and send the list of freight and/or passenger car M.C.B.
mechanical designations.

It should be pointed out that the definitions of some
designations changed over time and sometimes the designation
changed but the definition remained the same.

RM in 1936 was a reefer with meat rails. In 1952 the same
reefer was an RSM. GMA and GK gondolas used to be separate
mechanical designations but are now lumped together with GB gondolas.

Requests should specifiy a year or range of years.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...> wrote:


There's a nice list towards the back of any ORER. If someone would
scan it.......

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

I did some hunting with Google, but isn't there a listing
somewhere on-line of the
various car type
designations, and their meanings?

Like
XM
RB
RBL
HW

Etc., etc.

I'd like to put some guys on another list out of their misery.

TIA.

SGL





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