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Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Perhaps there's hope for "equalized" freight car trucks.
Schuyler, you say you can actually see your trucks equalize
as they go down the track? That doesn't say much for your
trackwork. What scale are you in?

Pat Wider
HO, Pat, and my club's got VERY good track work, laid almost exclusively by one man who's got Very
High Standards. But even on very good trackwork there are occasional joints that don't PERFECTLY
match, and switchwork with high numbers, where equalization does help, and id visible. Mostly, the
trucks that do have the equalization are the Dan Kilgore trucks, which have pretty wimpy springs. I
don't have trackwork of my own (except for the small amount I've laid at the Club).

I do believe there's a market, small, maybe, for a line of Really Superb Scale Trucks. Springs with
appropriate visual density, low spring rates, all the parts (brakeshoes, etc) and that if these were
available at a not-too-stratospheric price, changing out trucks would be as common as it used to be
to toss the x2f's as far as one could, and replace with Kadees.


SGL


Re: Scale Coupler boxes

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Pat Wider writes-

Denny - you missed the point of all of the bandwidth - the material doesn't matter as long
as the couplers look good and operate well. I don't care if the final result is plastic or
depleted uranium. Did anyone say metal is a must? I guess I missed it.

The fact of the matter is most of the HO plastic rip-offs are junk and don't look like the
real thing - thus the original reason for the "WE ACCUSE" editorial in RP CYC. I suggest you
go back and read it. I do agree that we should change the subject for obvious reasons.
Hmm-m. Wow! Have we been reading the same material? I am unaware that we are disagreeing on about anything.

I will give you high marks for thinking about depleted uranium, however. Now there would a truck or coupler material that would completely eliminate any of the usual needs to add car weights.

As to sending in late for RPC 12 and backdating the check, I want to reassure you that my check in the mail is not backdated, and I gladly paid you full price for another quality product :-) .

Denny

--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, California


Re: Freight car types

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

Polling or poling?

If you know what a poling car is, then you know what them there poling
pockets are for.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Nelson" <muskoka@c...> wrote:

This should be fairly accurate for the early 50's. The last one is a
good
question that'll stump most everybody.

Dave Nelson
--------------
<snip>
YM Polling Car


Re: Freight car types

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

In light of the information available at
http://www.nakina.net/aartype.html
my offer is withdrawn.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "bierglaeser" <bierglaeser@y...> wrote:

I have a number of ORERs between 1923 and 1960 (actually as late as
1994 but I can't say that here) and would be happy to scan and send
the list of freight and/or passenger car M.C.B. mechanical
designations.

It should be pointed out that the definitions of some designations
changed over time and sometimes the designation changed but the
definition remained the same.

RM in 1936 was a reefer with meat rails. In 1952 the same reefer
was
an RSM. GMA and GK gondolas used to be separate mechanical
designations but are now lumped together with GB gondolas.

Requests should specifiy a year or range of years.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...> wrote:


There's a nice list towards the back of any ORER. If someone
would
scan it.......

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

I did some hunting with Google, but isn't there a listing
somewhere on-line of the
various car type
designations, and their meanings?

Like
XM
RB
RBL
HW

Etc., etc.

I'd like to put some guys on another list out of their misery.

TIA.

SGL


Re: Freight car types

Schuyler Larrabee
 

That's correct. Manifold variations on "Freight car types" didn't do the trick. Thanks.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of SUVCWORR@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:18 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Freight car types

You may not be find anything in Google because of what you
are asking. The correct name is AAR Mechanical designation.
Try this link. They even have the changes in meaning and the
timeframe the mechanical designation was used.

http://www.nakina.net/aartype.html


Rich Orr






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Re: Freight car types

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

I have a number of ORERs between 1923 and 1960 (actually as late as
1994 but I can't say that here) and would be happy to scan and send
the list of freight and/or passenger car M.C.B. mechanical
designations.

It should be pointed out that the definitions of some designations
changed over time and sometimes the designation changed but the
definition remained the same.

RM in 1936 was a reefer with meat rails. In 1952 the same reefer was
an RSM. GMA and GK gondolas used to be separate mechanical
designations but are now lumped together with GB gondolas.

Requests should specifiy a year or range of years.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...> wrote:


There's a nice list towards the back of any ORER. If someone would
scan it.......

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

I did some hunting with Google, but isn't there a listing
somewhere on-line of the
various car type
designations, and their meanings?

Like
XM
RB
RBL
HW

Etc., etc.

I'd like to put some guys on another list out of their misery.

TIA.

SGL


Re: Freight car types

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Michael.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Mang
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:05 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Freight car types

Or go to:

http://www.nakina.net/aartype.html

for AAR mechanical designations.

Michael Mang

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
Of Schuyler Larrabee
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:58 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Freight car types

Oh, DUH! I know that, but forgot about it.

Thanks for the dope-slap.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Patrick Wider
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:26 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight car types


There's a nice list towards the back of any ORER. If
someone would
scan it.......

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

I did some hunting with Google, but isn't there a listing
somewhere on-line of the
various car type
designations, and their meanings?

Like
XM
RB
RBL
HW

Etc., etc.

I'd like to put some guys on another list out of their misery.

TIA.

SGL





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Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

At the risk of going slightly off subject, D&G makes HO-scale passenger car trucks such
that their springs actually compress and the trucks actually equalize. And in case there's
still any lingering doubt due to my screw-up: THE COMPANY IS STILL IN BUSINESS!!!!!

Perhaps there's hope for "equalized" freight car trucks. Schuyler, you say you can actually
see your trucks equalize as they go down the track? That doesn't say much for your
trackwork. What scale are you in?

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:


On
Behalf Of Thomas M. Olsen

While we are petitioning Kadee for unsprung trucks,
Hold on there . . .not all of us agree on that point. I like the sprung trucks (and I DO see
them
equalizing as the train moves along) but I agree about the lacy character of the springs
themselves.
It seems to me that a Really Good Materials Guy (Hey, Tony??) should be able to come up
with some
form of plastic that could be molded or extruded or something into springs with
appropriate
dimensional characteristics, and low enough spring rate, so as to make the trucks
actually compress.
Now, they'd have to compress at a rate so that a properly weighted car would do the
trick, so we'd
have to be faithful to the NMRA weighting rules.

let us
ask them to modify their truck bolsters so that we can add
the brakeshoe clip-ons that they make for the PS-1 box cars
that they make.
I do agree with this.

SGL


Re: Freight car types

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

This should be fairly accurate for the early 50's. The last one is a good
question that'll stump most everybody.

Dave Nelson
--------------
BH Stock, horse express
BLF Flat, containers, express
BR Reefer, express
BX Box, express
FB Flat, barrel rack
FC Flat, TOFC service
FD Flat, depressed center
FG Flat, gun carridge
FL Flat, logging
FM Flat, merchandise
FMS Flat, merchandise, w/ part rack
FW Flat, well
FWS Flat, well, w/ part racks
GA Gondola, cross bottom drop
GAS Gondola, cross bottom drop
GB Gondola, solid floor; Mill trade
GBC Gondola, solid floor; coke
GBS Gondola, solid floor; w/ par
GD Gondola, side door dump
GE Gondola, cross dump
GH Gondola, outside dump
GHS Gondola, outside dump, w/ part
GRA Gondola, outside dump
GS Gondola, center sill outside dump
GSC Gondola, coke
GSR Gondola, Covered
GT Gondola, coal dumping equipment
GTC Gondola, coal dumping equipment
HD Hopper, ballast dump - outside
HDR Hopper, ballast dump - outside
HE Hopper, not self clearing
HF Hopper, ballast dump in/out
HFA Hopper, divided
HFB Hopper, divided
HK Hopper, ballast dump
HM Hopper, self clearing
HMA Hopper, self clearing
HMC Hopper, self clearing, coke
HMR Hopper, self clearing, w/roof
HT Hopper, cross dump; 3+ doors
HTC Hopper, cross dump; 3+ doors,
HTR Hopper, w/roof
LC Box, muliple doors
LF Flat, containers
LG Gondola, containers
LO Covered hopper
LP Pulpwood
LRC Reefer, dry ice
LTA Tank, granular
MH
MW Misc MOW
MWB Ballast , drop
MWD Ballast, dump
MWE Ballast spreader
MWF Flat, ties or rail
MWT Tool
MWW Wrecking crane
NE Caboose
RA Reefer, brine tank
RAM Reefer, brine tank / meat
RB Reefer, beverage
RBH
RCD Reefer, dry Ice
RF Express Reefer
RP Reefer, mechanical
RS Reefer, standard
RSM Reefer, meat
SC Stock, convertable deck(s)
SD Stock, dump floor
SF Stock, fixed double deck
SH Stock, horse
SM Stock, single deck
SP Stock, poultry
TA Tank, acid
TAI Tank, acid, insulated
TGI Tank, glass, insulated
TL Tank, lined
TLI Tank, lined, insulated
TM Tank
TMI Tank, insulated
TMU Tank
TPI Tank, pressurized, insulated
TR Tank, rubber lined?
TRI Tank, rubber lined?, insulated
TW Tank, wooden
VA Ventilator
VM Ventilator, insulated
VS Ventilator, insulated
XA Box, autos
XAL Box, ??
XAP Box, auto parts; No merchandise
XAR Box, autos; No merchandise
XF Box, furnature
XI Box, Insulated
XM Box, merchandise
XME Box, damage restraints
XMI Box, ??
XML Box, loader; usually auto part
XMP Box, dedicated service
XMR Box, autos & merchandise
XT Box, tank
YM Polling Car


Re: Freight car types

Michael Mang <mnmang@...>
 

Or go to:

http://www.nakina.net/aartype.html

for AAR mechanical designations.

Michael Mang

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Schuyler Larrabee
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:58 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Freight car types

Oh, DUH! I know that, but forgot about it.

Thanks for the dope-slap.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Patrick Wider
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:26 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight car types


There's a nice list towards the back of any ORER. If someone
would scan it.......

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

I did some hunting with Google, but isn't there a listing somewhere
on-line of the
various car type
designations, and their meanings?

Like
XM
RB
RBL
HW

Etc., etc.

I'd like to put some guys on another list out of their misery.

TIA.

SGL





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Re: Freight car types

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Oh, DUH! I know that, but forgot about it.

Thanks for the dope-slap.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Patrick Wider
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:26 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight car types


There's a nice list towards the back of any ORER. If someone
would scan it.......

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

I did some hunting with Google, but isn't there a listing somewhere
on-line of the
various car type
designations, and their meanings?

Like
XM
RB
RBL
HW

Etc., etc.

I'd like to put some guys on another list out of their misery.

TIA.

SGL





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Re: Sergent Couplers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Tom Olsen wrote

Did not someone just recently, on this list, state that J.P.
tried to get his Reboxx coupler made in China and had run up
against a stone wall? If I see him tomorrow at Timonium, I
will ask about his progress in this area and if he is not
there, I am sure that Ralph will know..
There is a wall involved, China isn't it, and I don't think JP was going to Timonium, though I might
be wrong on that. Ralph would know, I think he may not want to discuss his brother's business.

I think that the coupler will eventually be done, but there are other situations that have to be
resolved before it will happen. I know that if./when it does happen, I will be converting
everything where I can the coupler box cover off. In the meantime, I have little use for Sergent,
Accumates, or any other of the knockoffs of Kadees. I prefer the 58s and 78s.

SGL


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

On
Behalf Of Thomas M. Olsen

While we are petitioning Kadee for unsprung trucks,
Hold on there . . .not all of us agree on that point. I like the sprung trucks (and I DO see them
equalizing as the train moves along) but I agree about the lacy character of the springs themselves.
It seems to me that a Really Good Materials Guy (Hey, Tony??) should be able to come up with some
form of plastic that could be molded or extruded or something into springs with appropriate
dimensional characteristics, and low enough spring rate, so as to make the trucks actually compress.
Now, they'd have to compress at a rate so that a properly weighted car would do the trick, so we'd
have to be faithful to the NMRA weighting rules.

let us
ask them to modify their truck bolsters so that we can add
the brakeshoe clip-ons that they make for the PS-1 box cars
that they make.
I do agree with this.

SGL


Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Guyz,

You've made my day. Was beginning to think I was one of the last who remembered bent metal tabs & slots for couplers.

What a lot of modelers would find useful are some leaf spring replacements for Kadee trucks. The last ones I have came in a Silver Streak box.

Another item is to put a black blank panel behind the truck springs, this eliminates the daylight issue with the coil springs.

IIRC, the first sprung trucks purchased came in a Binkley kit.

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Wider
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:08 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Couplers, Coupler Pockets, and Trucks


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "S. Busch" <SCSBusch@W...> wrote:
>
> When I cut my teeth in model railroading, American Flyer had chrome plated
> journal boxes on sheet steel sideframe trucks.

My first experience was with nickel-plated rails - three of them with 27" diameter curves.

The first time I ever saw
> real looking truck they were HO sprung Varneys or Athearns or something.

Me too!

> I have never quite recovered, and still prefer real springs.

I'd prefer real prototype springs but I don't think they'd fit plus they'd collapse my
benchwork. (-:}

Pat Wider







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Re: Freight car types

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

There's a nice list towards the back of any ORER. If someone would scan it.......

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

I did some hunting with Google, but isn't there a listing somewhere on-line of the
various car type
designations, and their meanings?

Like
XM
RB
RBL
HW

Etc., etc.

I'd like to put some guys on another list out of their misery.

TIA.

SGL


Re: RP Cyc 12

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

I don't know. Perhaps a real (i.e., prototype) railroader can answer. My guess is it was
done right there, at the track scale/weigh house/car shop.

Pat Wider

Wonderful! I don't think I've ever been happier to be wrong.

To get on-topic, if the empty weight was off by over 300 pounds, did the car
get sent to the RIP track for restenciling or was it done wherever the car
was sitting?

John Boren

PS- I worked at the USPO when I was in school, and I don't think it's ever
gotten to normal. <G>


Freight car types

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I did some hunting with Google, but isn't there a listing somewhere on-line of the various car type
designations, and their meanings?

Like
XM
RB
RBL
HW

Etc., etc.

I'd like to put some guys on another list out of their misery.

TIA.

SGL


Re: RP Cyc 12

John Boren <mccjbcmd@...>
 

RP CYC Vol. 13 is virtually finished as I speak (I mean type). We'll probably
bring it out right after the holidays. We do not want to fight the crowd at
the Post Office. Take my word for it, mailing out hundreds of 1 pound books
at one time is the worst part of our endeavor. And near the Christmas holiday?
No way. Vol. 13 will be out as soon as the Post Office gets back to normal
early 2006.
{snip}
Pat Wider
Wonderful! I don't think I've ever been happier to be wrong.

To get on-topic, if the empty weight was off by over 300 pounds, did the car
get sent to the RIP track for restenciling or was it done wherever the car
was sitting?

John Boren

PS- I worked at the USPO when I was in school, and I don't think it's ever
gotten to normal. <G>


Re: Freight car types

Brian Termunde
 

In a message dated 10/7/2005 9:09:31 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net writes:

This is good stuff


It is indeed Dave. Thanks for posting it!

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District


Re: RP CYC 12

Brian Termunde
 

In a message dated 10/7/2005 8:51:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
no17@comcast.net writes:

Spoken from the UP management booklet on how to treat loyal customers.
Screw 'em, life's tough then you die. Well put.

It will be a lesson I remember as I deal with it from here on out.



ROTFLMAO!!! Good retort.

BTW...when I saw that this issue had an article on scale tracks, I was
already to see about getting an issue, especially since I find these to be of
great interest to me, but after the terse comments from Ye Old Editor, I have
decided against said purchase and instead will divert my funds towards addition
Steam Era Freight Cars.

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District

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