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Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
And Overland was working in a time period when we were ALL learning about the incredible diversity of freight cars, led by modelers like Hendrickson and Nehrich and many others who sparked the whole RPM movement. So naturally Overland (and the other importers) made a lot of "mistakes" (I can think of some real howlers from Precision Scale) and often didn't reveal very much about the prototypes for their models (if indeed there was one). It was an 'era' of the model industry, and that time has passed at least for hand made brass models. I take it with a grain of salt. An interesting looking, well made brass tank car that is realistically (if not "accurately") painted and lettered is always welcome in a train of mine... Many people hate Tichy tank cars because they're not right. I love them because they are among the finest examples of styrene freight car kit design. Tim O'Connor
On 11/4/2019 6:47 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.
al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
Yep! Any luck making contact with Mac Beard lately? Al
On November 4, 2019 at 11:10 PM Joseph <Mstl852@...> wrote:
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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.
Jon Miller
On 11/5/2019 7:13 AM, james murrie
via Groups.Io wrote:
Somewhere I have a 1943 or 1944 I also remember that in
the late 40s my relatives in SD used corn cobs for fuel in the
kitchen stove. Don't know if they were delivered or collected
from the farm. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.
james murrie
Somewhere I have a 1943 or 1944 Illinois license plate that my father told me was made from corn cobs to save steel. It's definitely some kind of "wood" that was then painted and lettered.
Jim Murrie
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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.
Corn cobs were also used for grinding and polishing things like poker chips. Fenton
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 11:02 PM Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote: Doug, --
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Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches
Marty McGuirk
Add Central Vermont to the list.
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On Nov 2, 2019, at 11:22 PM, Jim Gates via Groups.Io <jim.gates@...> wrote:
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Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car
Craig Wilson
Tom Marsh lived in downstate Indiana. However his draftsman, Arnt Gerritsen, lived near Valparaiso in northwest Indiana. He drew many, many projects that got produced as Overland Models and some that didn't. Arnt had a fondness for the out-of-the-ordinary and would venture out to measure and photograph when he found one. This particular car resided at the NIPCO plant in Michigan City Indiana. It was a "captive car" there and no one that Arnt talked to could tell him how long it had been there or what its previously life had been. Arnt considered it a one-of-kind-prototype, which it may indeed be. Arnt drew projects that interested him on his own time and filed the drawings away. Because OMI was his employer, Tom Marsh had first right of refusal on these and this tank car may have caught Tom's eye and he decided to built it. Another one of these "private efforts" resulted in the Speedwitch AA Single Sheath boxcar kit. The prototype cars were all retired in 1962-63 and dismantled, save for couple door-and-a-half cars what went into MofW service. Then a fully intact single door car was discovered sitting in the DPW yard in Cadillac Michigan and being used as a storage shed. Arnt and I got permission to go measure and photograph it. Arnt created a beautiful set of scale drawings which went in the drawer until Ted Culotta saw them and borrowed the drawings for the Speedwitch model. Craig Wilson
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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.
Joseph
Sorry, meant to be off list. Time for me to get some shut eye Joe Binish
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 10:10 PM Joseph via Groups.Io <Mstl852=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.
Joseph
Think of the fun we will have!!
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 10:08 PM sherman4863 via Groups.Io <sherman4863=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: The flour mill in Franklin, MN was used in the 50's, after it quit making flour, to grind cobs and shipped in boxcars to Shakopee where it was bagged and sold for floor dry. Sam Sherman
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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.
sherman4863
The flour mill in Franklin, MN was used in the 50's, after it quit making flour, to grind cobs and shipped in boxcars to Shakopee where it was bagged and sold for floor dry. Sam Sherman
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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.
Matt Smith
Doug,
If you zoom in the resolution is sufficient to show that the truck is full of cobs. Corn shellers are larger and more mechanically complicated than the grinder/blower on the back of this truck. Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car
spsalso
There's no NIPX reporting marks in January 1939 ORER.
Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.
Lloyd Keyser
The Quaker Oats plant in Cedar Rapids, IA in the 40's into the 60's consumed six to eight car loads of cobs a day and processed them obtaining a chemical named Furfural. The cob residue, a very fine powder, was blown into IC covered hoppers for delivery for use in plastics. The covered hoppers were converted in company shops in 1950 and 51, numbers 81750-81752, by modifying three bay coal hoppers. The sides were increased in height and a roof added containing a small vent at the diagonal corners of the roof. In the center of the increased height was a two piece door which opened and a large plate secured with dogs. A flexible pipe was attached to blow the fine power into each end of the car. The hopper doors were modified for unloading the powder. As farming technology improved the corn pickers shelled the corn as it was picked dropping the cobs on the ground along with the stocks and plowed under for next years planting. As the availability of cobs declined the processed was modified to using oat hulls which was the byproduct of making cereal. I am modeling the loading platform and kit bashing two hoppers for loading. I have the IC diagram sheet which gives enough detail to accomplish this. What I lack is a good side view for creating the decals. I have been unsuccessful in obtaining this picture. They are not in the IC archives. Can anyone help? Lloyd Keyser
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Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car
al_brown03
The 1955 tariff 300-H lists *no* 10,000-gallon twin-compartment cars with equal-sized compartments and 4.5% domes.
AL B.
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Re: PM Box loading with ground corn cobs.
The photo shows a portable corn sheller mounted on the back of a truck. The farmer is shoveling corn into the sheller, which is blowing the shelled corn into the boxcar and dumping the cobs on the ground.
Corn cobs were a valuable commodity well after WWII. The CNW built a cob unloading device in Colo IA in 1956, (drawing attached) And I have people who remember the cob pile in town. I also know Belle Plaine IA had a large cob pile and shipped out cobs on the CNW well into the 60s & 70s. I understood they went to a cosmetics company.
Cobs were also used as a biodegradable sand blasting material, animal bedding, and today for ethanol production.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Smith
Nice pic of car loading with ground corn cobs. I read that corn cobs used during the war effort I believe it had something to do with plastics manufacturing??? Several articles indicated local elevators shipping corn cobs for the war effort.
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Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car
Bill Kelly
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NIPX 8 is listed in the 1936 Freight Tariff No. 300-A, capacities of tank
cars. The owner is Northern Indiana Public Service Co. It is listed as an
insulated two compartment car equipped with heater coils having a total
capacity of 9901 gallons. The A compartment is 4952 gal with a 226 gal dome, the
B compartment is 4949 gal with a 226 gal dome. There is also a no.6 and a no.7,
both with very similar descriptions. Sure sounds like this car. Anybody have
info on it after 1936 ?
Later,
Bill Kelly
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 22:55:12 +0000 "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...> writes:
Fred,
Just to be 100% clear, NIPX 8 did not exist in the 1950s. That’s a
“post-modern” reporting mark for this list ;)
Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are
the windshield."
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Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car
al_brown03
The 5/1936 tank car tariff lists Northern Indiana Public Service as having three 10,000-gallon two-compartment tank cars, NIPX 6-8. They *don't* appear in the 1/1943 ORER.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
WILLIAM PARDIE
Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection. Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them. They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car. I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car. The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car. I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car. I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car. Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car. Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the Overland car. Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car. My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short. This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct. These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced. I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco. Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Tony Thompson <tony@...> Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car Bruce Smith wrote:
You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI. At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI. Tony Thompson
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Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car
Tony Thompson
Bruce Smith wrote:
You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI. At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI. Tony Thompson
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Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car
Fred,
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Just to be 100% clear, NIPX 8 did not exist in the 1950s. That’s a “post-modern” reporting mark for this list ;)
Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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