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Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

O Fenton Wells
 

In an effort to add more color to my fleet I have revised a P2K flat car from black to the UP.  I have liked this car since I saw Bob Smaus version in MR a few years ago.  Then Ted's vol IV of Prototype Railroad Modeling highlighted these cars so off I went.  I modeled this as a 1951 repaint so no white lettering and used Ted's excellent decals.
This is my first use of the new Kadee flat car brake wheel and stem.  It is excellent and I highly recommend it.
I didn't put this on the resin builder site as it is a plastic car. Not sure where it goes, so here I am


Re: FW: [RealSTMFC] BAR 7000-series reefers

Joseph
 

So what kit models one of these?   I am sure it has been mentioned before, but am in the midst of distancing grocery shopping for Easter dinner....
TIA,
Joe Binish

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:48 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Schuyler

That could be mistaken - Someone must have told me the cars were built by
Mount Vernon Car (MVC) but Pacific Car & Foundry is mentioned in the article,
so the MVC should be stricken. Also the 1952 date may be wrong - blowing up
the image the number could be 53, not 52.

Tim



On 4/10/2020 1:08 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

MVC?  What does that mean?  Built ’52?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] BAR 7000-series reefers

 


BAR 7123

On 4/9/2020 11:40 PM, Andy Laurent via groups.io wrote:

Gents,
Does anyone on the list have a color photo of a BAR 7000-series 40' steel refrigerator car in the as-built orange scheme from 1951-53 (two batches)? I am curious what color the ends and sills were painted. I checked the message archives and only see discussion of the red/white/blue scheme.  Henderson mentions a solid orange scheme on Page 23 of Classic Freight Cars Vol 3 as being the original, but this image suggests that they had dark ends, roofs, and sills:  BAR 7015 - Bangor Daily News March 1953

Thank you,
Andy Laurent



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Tom Madden
 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:39 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

.....Probably those logs are destined to be turned into lumber loads on freight cars, though the photos date from some future time for Steam Freight Cars (whew!).

Actually, no. It was June 1960, not 1961. I've corrected the post.

Tom M.

 

 

 


Re: FW: [RealSTMFC] BAR 7000-series reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

That could be mistaken - Someone must have told me the cars were built by
Mount Vernon Car (MVC) but Pacific Car & Foundry is mentioned in the article,
so the MVC should be stricken. Also the 1952 date may be wrong - blowing up
the image the number could be 53, not 52.

Tim



On 4/10/2020 1:08 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

MVC?  What does that mean?  Built ’52?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] BAR 7000-series reefers

 


BAR 7123

On 4/9/2020 11:40 PM, Andy Laurent via groups.io wrote:

Gents,
Does anyone on the list have a color photo of a BAR 7000-series 40' steel refrigerator car in the as-built orange scheme from 1951-53 (two batches)? I am curious what color the ends and sills were painted. I checked the message archives and only see discussion of the red/white/blue scheme.  Henderson mentions a solid orange scheme on Page 23 of Classic Freight Cars Vol 3 as being the original, but this image suggests that they had dark ends, roofs, and sills:  BAR 7015 - Bangor Daily News March 1953

Thank you,
Andy Laurent



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Inverse ends

Richard Townsend
 

It looks like the short answer is “no.” There was an inverse dreadnaught end in the Sunshine mini kit for ATSF furniture cars, and I have stolen one from one of my kits for use elsewhere. 


On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Is anyone making inverse ends, specifically inverse dreadnaught and/or inverse Hutchins ends?

 

There are a few cars that I have long wanted to model that require such ends, but AFAIK they have not been made.  But with the small shops that make resin parts, I may have missed them.

 

Thanks for any help on this.

 

Schuyler

 

 


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks Tom, very much.  These shots certainly clarify what is going on around the Hooker site, and the panorama very clearly shows what those piers or booms or whatever they’d be called are for.  That’s a lot of floating wood in the river there.  Probably those logs are destined to be turned into lumber loads on freight cars, though the photos date from some future time for Steam Freight Cars (whew!).

 

Schuyler

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 1:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:40 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Not the recreational boat houses.  I meant the arrangement directly across the river, with the rectangular part in the middle, and long dividers parallel to the flow of the river. Are those to retain log rafts?

 

BTW, which way is the river flowing, L to R, or R to L?

It's not a river - it's a tidal basin. The first two images are file photos from an April 2017 article in the Tacoma News Tribune regarding cleanup of the Hooker site. The third photo is a panorama made from three shots I took in June 1961 the day I was discharged from the USAF. I'm not sure where I was standing (Point Defiance??) but the following shots were of a stuffed and mounted NP 4-6-0. Can't tell you how the panorama relates geographically to the Hooker site, but it does show the heavy industrialization of the Tacoma waterfront as well as numerous log rafts.

Tom Madden

 

 


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Tim O'Connor
 

This huge industrial area of Tacoma is the Tidal Flats - directly connected to Puget Sound.
There is fresh water too, but these waters flow back & forth with the tide. This is now the
location of a huge international container port.

On 4/10/2020 12:41 PM, Patrick Wade wrote:
Regarding the opposite river bank. I think that those are winter moorings for power boats. They drive in and are individually lifted out of the water for winter storage in their own garage. I am guessing that to leave them in the water might result in ice damage to the hulls.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Tom Madden
 
Edited

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:40 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Not the recreational boat houses.  I meant the arrangement directly across the river, with the rectangular part in the middle, and long dividers parallel to the flow of the river. Are those to retain log rafts?

 

BTW, which way is the river flowing, L to R, or R to L?

It's not a river - it's a tidal basin. The first two images are file photos from an April 2017 article in the Tacoma News Tribune regarding cleanup of the Hooker site. The third photo is a panorama made from three shots I took in June 1960 the day I was discharged from the USAF. I'm not sure where I was standing (Point Defiance??) but the following shots were of a stuffed and mounted NP 4-6-0. Can't tell you how the panorama relates geographically to the Hooker site, but it does show the heavy industrialization of the Tacoma waterfront as well as numerous log rafts.

Tom Madden

 

 


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Patrick Wade
 

Regarding the opposite river bank. I think that those are winter moorings for power boats. They drive in and are individually lifted out of the water for winter storage in their own garage. I am guessing that to leave them in the water might result in ice damage to the hulls.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Apr 10, 2020, at 8:57 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
<schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Well, my first thought about this spectacular photo was "Wow, a snap-track layout!" Well, not quite, the radii are larger than even 22", but I also would like to know what is that arrangement on the opposite side of the river all about?

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:27 AM
To: bbfcl@groups.io; mfcl@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hooker Chemical, Tacoma


Jeff Helm pointed out this SPECTACULAR industrial photo from the 1960's but the Hooker Chemical plant here was built in the 1940's and lasted through the 1990's (at least that long) so I thought it is worth sharing around. If my stupid mail program truncates the long URL you'll have to paste it back together to see it in your browser. :-\:-)

cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p17061coll21&CISOPTR=32743&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=2848&DMHEIGHT=2210

===================================================

On 4/8/2020 3:05 PM, Jeff Helm wrote:
Found the online photos, at the Tacoma Public Library digital collections. Some interesting links:
First two are the caustic tank car.

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/32346/rec/81
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/32704/rec/92
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/5536/rec/22
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/16060/rec/44
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/32743/rec/75
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/31462/rec/50
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/13399/rec/49

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*







Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Not the recreational boat houses.  I meant the arrangement directly across the river, with the rectangular part in the middle, and long dividers parallel to the flow of the river. Are those to retain log rafts?

 

BTW, which way is the river flowing, L to R, or R to L?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

 

Not sure which arrangement you're talking about, but there are boat houses (for recreational boats) to the left and to the right are places where log rafts are kept before the logs go to saw mills.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>; bbfcl <bbfcl@groups.io>; mfcl <mfcl@groups.io>; RealSTMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Apr 10, 2020 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Well, my first thought about this spectacular photo was "Wow, a snap-track layout!"  Well, not quite, the radii are larger than even 22", but I also would like to know what is that arrangement on the opposite side of the river all about?

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:27 AM
To: bbfcl@groups.io; mfcl@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hooker Chemical, Tacoma


Jeff Helm pointed out this SPECTACULAR industrial photo from the 1960's but the Hooker Chemical plant here was built in the 1940's and lasted through the 1990's (at least that long) so I thought it is worth sharing around. If my stupid mail program truncates the long URL you'll have to paste it back together to see it in your browser. :-\:-)

cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p17061coll21&CISOPTR=32743&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=2848&DMHEIGHT=2210

===================================================

On 4/8/2020 3:05 PM, Jeff Helm wrote:
> Found the online photos, at the Tacoma Public Library digital collections.  Some interesting links:
> First two are the caustic tank car.
>
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/32346/rec/81
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/32704/rec/92
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/5536/rec/22
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/16060/rec/44
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/32743/rec/75
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/31462/rec/50
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/13399/rec/49
>


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*






Re: BAR 7000-series reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


BAR 7123

On 4/9/2020 11:40 PM, Andy Laurent via groups.io wrote:
Gents,
Does anyone on the list have a color photo of a BAR 7000-series 40' steel refrigerator car in the as-built orange scheme from 1951-53 (two batches)? I am curious what color the ends and sills were painted. I checked the message archives and only see discussion of the red/white/blue scheme.  Henderson mentions a solid orange scheme on Page 23 of Classic Freight Cars Vol 3 as being the original, but this image suggests that they had dark ends, roofs, and sills:  BAR 7015 - Bangor Daily News March 1953

Thank you,
Andy Laurent

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Richard Townsend
 

Not sure which arrangement you're talking about, but there are boat houses (for recreational boats) to the left and to the right are places where log rafts are kept before the logs go to saw mills.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>; bbfcl <bbfcl@groups.io>; mfcl <mfcl@groups.io>; RealSTMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Apr 10, 2020 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Well, my first thought about this spectacular photo was "Wow, a snap-track layout!"  Well, not quite, the radii are larger than even 22", but I also would like to know what is that arrangement on the opposite side of the river all about?

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:27 AM
To: bbfcl@groups.io; mfcl@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hooker Chemical, Tacoma


Jeff Helm pointed out this SPECTACULAR industrial photo from the 1960's but the Hooker Chemical plant here was built in the 1940's and lasted through the 1990's (at least that long) so I thought it is worth sharing around. If my stupid mail program truncates the long URL you'll have to paste it back together to see it in your browser. :-\:-)

cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p17061coll21&CISOPTR=32743&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=2848&DMHEIGHT=2210

===================================================

On 4/8/2020 3:05 PM, Jeff Helm wrote:
> Found the online photos, at the Tacoma Public Library digital collections.  Some interesting links:
> First two are the caustic tank car.
>
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/32346/rec/81
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/32704/rec/92
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/5536/rec/22
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/16060/rec/44
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/32743/rec/75
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/31462/rec/50
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
> l21/id/13399/rec/49
>


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*







Re: Meat reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


I have extras if anyone is looking for the kits. I bought too many I guess out
of sheer excitement at the time. They are excellent models. :-)




On 4/9/2020 8:42 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
I don’t think the Red Caboose Mather reefers have been produced for almost a decade. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Apr 9, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

   I was about to point out that Morrell used a LOT of Mather meat reefers and Red Caboose has offered one for some
years that seems to match many photos fairly well. BUT these are 36 ft. reefers. Didn't Morrell also use some 40 ft.
Mather cars as well? I've got a foot of file cabinet space o this stuff gong back 20 years as Doug Harding is aware. Need 
to find some time to dig into it. Incidentally the meat packers that were most helpful in offereing info on tier rail operations
and equipment in that period were Hormel and Oscar Mayer, othof which were quite helpful.

Cordially, Don Valentine


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Meat reefers

Nelson Moyer
 

Yes, as someone said, the Sioux Falls plant held the record for 125 cars in one day, or something like that. But the thread started with my question about the Morrell plant in Ottumwa, IA. We don't have a definitive answer for that plant, though from the total number of hog, sheep, and cattle kills it very well might fill a train. The operative word is 'might', because the only wheel report of a train that's surfaced included some stock cars and a produce reefer to fill out the train. Moot point, because few of us are going to model a 50 car meat train, though I know a guy who ran an SFRD produce train with something like 60 cars on the La Mesa layout. Only a retired lawyer can afford all those reefers and the ATSF ABBA units that pulled them.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:39 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Meat reefers


There were DEFINITELY slaughterhouses that could produce 50 loads per day! A full load of beef sides or pork bellies probably had barely 20 tons of meat, if that. I once read a PRR publication that listed average tons per load and was surprised how many cargos did not approach the full weight capacity of freight cars.

Scan from the Illinois Central 1955 annual report.




On 4/9/2020 3:24 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote:
Hi Nelson,

Your are correct in that that one plant could not produce 50 loads in
one day. Keep in mind the Milwaukee, RI, and Wabash also got a few
loads of meat in Ottumwa. Off course the plant also produced tank cars
of tallow and cars of hides. And then I am certain the train was
filled with other priority cars going eastbound.

As I understand the packing industry Monday was a slow shipping day,
and then at the end of the week Friday and Saturday the output increased.

I also have a shortage of Morrell reefers, in my case out of Sioux Falls.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Allen Cain
 

Probably has been asked and answered but does anyone know when Hooker adopted the orange and black paint scheme?

Allen Cain


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Allen Cain
 

Great shot!

Would model it but would go broke buying those great orange and black tank cars!

Allen  Cain


Re: BAR 7000-series reefers

Rich Gibson
 

The Northern New England Color Guide has several photos of these in solid orange paint. However, the earliest picture is 5/57 showing two cars fresh out of the Derby shops Therefore, this may have been a repaint. Pictures of the 6000 and 8000 series cars with dark ends show them to be black.
Rich Gibson
Golden, CO


Re: Freight car roofs, 1959

Tim O'Connor
 


And check out those CLEAN patches on the wood reefer - I suppose to make the
reporting marks and other data legible! I'll bet no modelers have done that. :-P

In 1962 that NP round roof box car would be a recent addition to the NP roster.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/9/2020 4:51 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 01:10 PM, D. Scott Chatfield wrote:
Interesting view of a yard in California in 1959.  Note that Brock's Law is in force....
 
Have been systematically scanning my slides going back to 1968. Here's one from September 1962, stopped for a passing CB&Q freight in Edgemont SD on our way from the Black Hills to Colorado and just had to take a photo from the car window. Sure enough, a round roof NP auto car just made it into the frame at the right edge. Brock's Law prevails!

Tom Madden
 
 

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, my first thought about this spectacular photo was "Wow, a snap-track layout!" Well, not quite, the radii are larger than even 22", but I also would like to know what is that arrangement on the opposite side of the river all about?

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:27 AM
To: bbfcl@groups.io; mfcl@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hooker Chemical, Tacoma


Jeff Helm pointed out this SPECTACULAR industrial photo from the 1960's but the Hooker Chemical plant here was built in the 1940's and lasted through the 1990's (at least that long) so I thought it is worth sharing around. If my stupid mail program truncates the long URL you'll have to paste it back together to see it in your browser. :-\:-)

cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p17061coll21&CISOPTR=32743&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=2848&DMHEIGHT=2210

===================================================

On 4/8/2020 3:05 PM, Jeff Helm wrote:
Found the online photos, at the Tacoma Public Library digital collections. Some interesting links:
First two are the caustic tank car.

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/32346/rec/81
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/32704/rec/92
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/5536/rec/22
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/16060/rec/44
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/32743/rec/75
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/31462/rec/50
http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061col
l21/id/13399/rec/49

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Meat reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

There were DEFINITELY slaughterhouses that could produce 50 loads per day! A full load
of beef sides or pork bellies probably had barely 20 tons of meat, if that. I once read
a PRR publication that listed average tons per load and was surprised how many cargos did
not approach the full weight capacity of freight cars.

Scan from the Illinois Central 1955 annual report.

On 4/9/2020 3:24 PM, Ted Schnepf wrote:
Hi Nelson,

Your are correct in that that one plant could not produce 50 loads in one day. Keep in mind the Milwaukee, RI, and Wabash also got a few loads of meat in Ottumwa. Off course the plant also produced tank cars of tallow and cars of hides. And then I am certain the train was filled with other priority cars going eastbound.

As I understand the packing industry Monday was a slow shipping day, and then at the end of the week Friday and Saturday the output increased.

I also have a shortage of Morrell reefers, in my case out of Sioux Falls.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

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