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Re: partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Oops, let’s try that again...
 
 
I thank Richard Brennan for letting me know I got the link wrong, thanks Richard!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 1:25 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon
 
Hi List Members,
 
We have a partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon in Utah - this is the USRA steel gon as built during the 1918-1920 period. Note drop ends and Andrews trucks.
 
 
As with other images in this collection, I feel it is best viewed using the “Download” feature, since this lets you see the image in it’s native full resolution.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Carnegie Steel built some of the earliest 65 foot mill gons

mopacfirst
 

These are interesting photos.  In one, the car is marked Homestead Works, which is a bit east of Utah.  (perhaps the library acquired them not as part of a local history project.)

And the product in the laydown yard, where the car is spotted, looks more like wire or bar to me.  The individuals linking hands in front of the car look a bit small to be working in a steel yard, or lumber yard as the case may be.

Ron Merrick


Re: nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

Mont Switzer
 

The individuals and/or companies offering tank wagon servcie were typically independent contractors.  They owned the chassis as Dennis mentioned.  However, where branding was involved (like Standard Oil, Shell, Conoco, Mobil, D-X, etc.) then tanks were typically owned by the oil company and bore their graphics on the sides and back end.

The men that I knew in this business purchased their chassis locally.  They had to meet certain specifications, but then the owner could roll in his own perks or preferences.  Once the chassis was acquired, typically factory painted the correct color, the new owner then drove it to the oil company maintenance shop and later the tank manufacturer's facility where the pre-painted tank was installed.  

Tanks were built so that mounting pads lined up with frame rails.  They were usually mounted on 2 x 4 hardwood spacers and secured with U bolts.  Later frames were drilled and mounting brackets on the on the tanks were secured with grade 8 bolts.  A PTO (power take off typically factory installed on the transmission)  also had to be hooked up to the tank to operate the pump or pumps.  5 compartment tanks were typical.

The tanks often outlived the chassis.  You could therefore see some pitifully small older tanks on a more modern chassis.

Tank wagon chassis lived a pretty good life and were popular with farmers as second hand purchases.  You might see a yellow grain truck at the elevator that was obviously a former shell jobber chassis, as an example.

I remember when SUNOCO took over the D-X petroleum distribution in my area the local jobber Don Butler drover his truck to Indianapolis to get the paint changed from red to blue and gray with yellow lettering.  Don bought a new chassis (blue cab) a year or two later and had the same tank mounted on it.  The end customer might not have noticed.

My Dad. William M. Switzer,  was a D-X jobber in the late 1940's and early 1950's.

Mont Switzer  


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Dennis Storzek [destorzek@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 06:22 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The Jordan trucks were Mack Bulldogs. This is not a Mack bulldog. Might be a Fageol, predecessor to Peterbilt. But I’m not sure.

 

Doug, I'm sure he meant the tank and tank fittings, which DO look like the Jordan tank truck model. These trucks date to the time when all you got from the truck manufacturer was the chassis and engine bonnet, and had to go to an independent body builder for the rest.

I agree with Fageol, it looks like their name in script on the radiator tank.

Dennis Storzek


Carnegie Steel built some of the earliest 65 foot mill gons

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I believe it was Carnegie Steel that built some of the earliest 65 foot mill gons for their own internal plant use. It was the success of these gons that quickly convinced the railroads to buy similar cars.
 
These two images linked below illustrate the car CSCO 534 nicely...
 
 
 
As I recall, one of the TSC books had an image of one of these cars, for those in search of yet one more image.
 
I suspect the CSCO 65 foot gons may not have been used interchange service, and perhaps never left the plant. Can anyone on the list confirm or deny this?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

Bob Chaparro
 

How about this example?

Oregon Short Line Freight House

A 1912 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=527642&page=15&facet_format_t=%22image%2Fjpeg%22&q=warehouse

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Economy Oil Company Distribution Plant

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 5/2/2020 9:49 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
So many neat touches just asking to be modeled!

    The size of the rivets on the tank are interesting.  If a  model was made I'm sure someone would complain about the size.

    Trucks are interesting also.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
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Photo: QTX Three-Compartment Tank Car 6106

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: QTX Three-Compartment Tank Car 6106

A 1932 photo from the University of Utah Library:

The photo is dark but a photo editing program can improve it quite a bit.

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=542782&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

You rivet counters will have a field day with this photo.

According to Ian Cranstone's chart the QTX reporting mark originally belonged to Quaker City Tank Line (1930), then Quaker City Tank Line/General American Tank Car Corp. (1935), then General American Transportation Corp. (1937-1943).

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

Andy Carlson
 

Dennis, and others-

Fageols of this era have distinctive saw-toothed fins going down the middle ridge of the hood. The trucks questioned lack that trait, so I believe that they are some other brand.
-Andy Carlson

Look at these saw-toothed fins on top of the hood

On Saturday, May 2, 2020, 8:36:12 AM PDT, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:


On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 06:22 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The Jordan trucks were Mack Bulldogs. This is not a Mack bulldog. Might be a Fageol, predecessor to Peterbilt. But I’m not sure.

 

Doug, I'm sure he meant the tank and tank fittings, which DO look like the Jordan tank truck model. These trucks date to the time when all you got from the truck manufacturer was the chassis and engine bonnet, and had to go to an independent body builder for the rest.

I agree with Fageol, it looks like their name in script on the radiator tank.

Dennis Storzek


partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
We have a partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon in Utah - this is the USRA steel gon as built during the 1918-1920 period. Note drop ends and Andrews trucks.
 
 
As with other images in this collection, I feel it is best viewed using the “Download” feature, since this lets you see the image in it’s native full resolution.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Economy Oil Company Distribution Plant

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
There is a nice view of the Economy Oil Company Distribution Plant at the link below, also a nice image of three compartment tank car QTX 1606 being unloaded from the top. Notice the words “Economy Oil” and “Rush” plus the date scrawled in chalk across the reporting marks. So many neat touches just asking to be modeled!
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

Allen Cain
 

Does anyone make metal walkways with see thru grating that could be used to upgrade tank cars with wooden walkways to metal walkways?  I am specifically looking to do this on Broadway Limited, Red Caboose and Intermountain tank cars.

Thanks,

Allen Cain


Re: nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

Douglas Harding
 

Dennis you are correct the tank looks like the one from Jordon. But the original question had been out what kind of truck, which I thought Tim was responding. Just to keep this focus on modeling attached is a photo of what friend did with the Jordon tank.

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 06:22 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The Jordan trucks were Mack Bulldogs. This is not a Mack bulldog. Might be a Fageol, predecessor to Peterbilt. But I’m not sure.

 

Doug, I'm sure he meant the tank and tank fittings, which DO look like the Jordan tank truck model. These trucks date to the time when all you got from the truck manufacturer was the chassis and engine bonnet, and had to go to an independent body builder for the rest.

I agree with Fageol, it looks like their name in script on the radiator tank.

Dennis Storzek


Re: nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 06:22 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The Jordan trucks were Mack Bulldogs. This is not a Mack bulldog. Might be a Fageol, predecessor to Peterbilt. But I’m not sure.

 

Doug, I'm sure he meant the tank and tank fittings, which DO look like the Jordan tank truck model. These trucks date to the time when all you got from the truck manufacturer was the chassis and engine bonnet, and had to go to an independent body builder for the rest.

I agree with Fageol, it looks like their name in script on the radiator tank.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Panpastel Blogs

Michael Gross
 

Thank you, Rob!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Greg Martin

Michael Gross
 

Oh, so sorry to hear this news.  Greg was an excellent modeler and, more importantly, a man of great warmth and kindness.  I was inspired by his early articles in Mainline Modeler, and came to know him personally over the years.  His great skill was exceeded only by his great heart.  He is, and will continue to be, missed.
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

Douglas Harding
 

The Jordan trucks were Mack Bulldogs. This is not a Mack bulldog. Might be a Fageol, predecessor to Peterbilt. But I’m not sure.

 

Parco was purchased by Sinclair in the early 30s. The town changed it’s name in 1943.

https://www.rawlinstimes.com/news/oil-shaped-the-history-of-parco-sinclair/article_3ff8a761-7455-5818-a1cb-eef5c1575560.html

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

 


Looks like a Jordan truck model, eh?

And Parco, Wyoming? Could that be what later becomes Sinclair, Wyoming (home of Sinclair petroleum)??

Tim O'Connor




On 5/1/2020 4:23 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

Claus,

 

What a great image!  It almost makes me want to model 1924... 

 

It looks like a GATC type 17 radial course tank car. And those tank trucks!

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 3:01 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

 

Hi List Members,

 

There is a nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership in 1924. Very model-genic.

 

 

 

Oh yes, there is also a steam era freight car for us to enjoy as well – tank car PARX 848

 

Claus Schlund

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Greg Martin

Tim O'Connor
 

Bud

Yes! I still use that method. Also Greg's 'pencil line' weathering technique.

I am very sad this morning. :'(

On 5/1/2020 6:23 PM, Bud Rindfleisch wrote:
Very sad. Condolences to his family. I really liked Greg's technique of using Post It notes to create seam shadows on boxcars.
    Bud Rindfleisch
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Greg Martin

Mont Switzer
 

Good morning John Barry,

Am I one of those guys who is supposed to tell someone (you?) that I still need the Duryea under frame for this project?  I know there was a list about a week ago but with work and all it got away from me.

Your kind words about Greg are appreciated.  I've had about 15 hours now to dwell upon all of the neat times we had, both having enjoyed the Cocoa and other meets for the better part of 20 years.  Greg always called me his "mentor" when in fact an early article he did on kit bashing an NYC stock car is what really opened my eyes as to how in-depth kit bashing can go, and how fun it is.  I think he had the "mentor" thing backwards.

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of John Barry [northbaylines@...]
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2020 11:03 PM
To: Shake-N-Take; STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Greg Martin

I am deeply saddened by Greg's passing.  I've been following his progress and set backs over the last several weeks and praying for his recovery.  Although I don't have a long history with Greg, I was inspired by his Shake-n-Take clinic at Cocoa Beach in 2015.  So much so, that this middling modeler developed and presented this year's SnT clinic with a lot of support and encouragement from Greg.  I had some grandiose ideas for the clinic that Greg gently counselled  me into scaling back to the clinic you saw in January.  He was a guiding light for getting the Bx-34 done and I am honored that I had the chance to work alongside him this last year.  I was looking forward to more collaboration in the future, but that has been cut short by an invisible pathogen.  But my loss is nothing to compare to that of his family, who brought Greg a lot of joy.  I extend them my deepest sympathies.

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

Tim O'Connor
 


Looks like a Jordan truck model, eh?

And Parco, Wyoming? Could that be what later becomes Sinclair, Wyoming (home of Sinclair petroleum)??

Tim O'Connor




On 5/1/2020 4:23 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
Claus,

What a great image!  It almost makes me want to model 1924... 

It looks like a GATC type 17 radial course tank car. And those tank trucks!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 3:01 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership
 
Hi List Members,
 
There is a nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership in 1924. Very model-genic.
 
 
 
Oh yes, there is also a steam era freight car for us to enjoy as well – tank car PARX 848
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Covid 9 Builds

gtws00
 

Nicely Done Fenton!
A great looking group of cars
Thanks for sharing
George Toman

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