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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Ben de Vries
Ben,
thank you, I know now that I should avoid these models!
Ben
From: Benjamin
Hom
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 4:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’
boxcars Ben de Vries asked:
"Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially
the Linde and GN car? I would like to avoid buying foobies!"
Bill Welch replied:
"A link would be helpful Ben. . ."
We've discussed these models before in the thread "Bowser Box Cars"
starting with message #143056 dated 6/15/16. Long story short, this model
has been lurking around the Bowser catalog for the last 15-20 years or so in the
guise of base model "canvas" for custom-decorated cars in their English Model
Railroad Supply line. Bowser used their Class X31A single door boxcar
tooling as the basis for a "generic" 40 ft boxcar, creating a model with a
Murphy rectangular panel roof with 4/5 Dreadnaught ends but with the side rivet
patterns of the Class X31A single door car, all the way down to the unique 5
panels to the left of the door/4 panels to the right of the door.
I've got one of these models, but haven't discovered any prototype for it
yet as this combination of features is unusual, so all of the decorated models
are suspect. Frankly, $28.95 is a bit much to shell out for a stand-in
model.
Ben Hom
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)
Tony Thompson
ALL tank cars, including Linde Tank Cars, would have weight data and most would have reweigh data. Nope. Plenty of tank cars had their NEW weight decades after being built. I don’t agree that even “most “ had reweigh. There are thousands of tank car images in the Hendrickson collection, so I am not making this up. And BTW class XT car were still billed by gallonage, so no real reason to reweigh. Tony Thompson
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)
Jack Mullen
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:11 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
So, while the first part of Bob’s statement is fine, the second is completely false and does not derive from the first. ALL tank cars, including Linde Tank Cars, would have weight data and most would have reweigh data.As I read Bob's conjecture, he's not saying that tank cars wouldn't have weight data, just that they "shouldn't" have REweigh dates and revised weights. Not completely false, but an overstatement. I think the premise may actually be what's incorrect - these cars are classed as XT which is a box car class, not a T_ tank car. I'd expect the normal boxcar reweighing requirement would apply. Jack Mullen
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Swift Reefers
Has anyone published
any sort of detailed roster of Swift reefers? I seem to think so, but
can't locate such. I do have Martin Lofton's RMJ 2-93
article.
Maybe a good clinic
session?
Thanks in
advance,
Steve
Hile
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Staffan Ehnbom
The GN car: Foobie! Nothing seems right but wheels and couplers. Accurail came closer 30 years ago except a fish belly side sill needing straightening and an overhanging diagonal panel roof to be exchanged. See attachment. Staffan Ehnbom
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:13 AM Ben de Vries <bernjuldevries@...> wrote: Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the Linde
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)
Dave Parker
At least through the 1920a and 30s, the MCB/ARA lettering standards did not require a LD LMT stencil on tank cars, only the LT WT and CAPY stencils. I have seen a LD LMT on a few tank cars, but it was not part of the Standard Practice.
As to whether "most" tank cars would be sporting a reweigh stencil (as opposed to the original light weight), I think this has to be era-dependent. For 1934, almost all my tank cars have the original, factory-applied light weight, as most of them are <20 years old, and some are <10. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)
OK, I’m a little confused by this conversation.
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FIRST - afaik, ALL cars in interchange service were required to show CAPY, LD LMT, and LT WT data and the LT WT data was to be accompanied by either the stencil NEW and a date, or the code for the scale where the car was weighed (or reweighed)
and the date, including tank cars.
SECOND - tank cars were not required to be ROUTINELY reweighed (but were reweighed from time to time, particularly when repairs that might significantly affect the LT WT were made).
So, while the first part of Bob’s statement is fine, the second is completely false and does not derive from the first. ALL tank cars, including Linde Tank Cars, would have weight data and most would have reweigh data.
Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
.....but they did. See attached.
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Elden Gatwood
-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 10:47 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car) As tank cars, I assume there would not have been a reweigh requirement for these cars and the model should not have reweigh stenciling, right? Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)
BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Some did.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
As tank cars, I assume there would not have been a reweigh requirement for these cars and the model should not have reweigh stenciling, right?
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars (Linde Tank Car)
As tank cars, I assume there would not have been a reweigh requirement for these cars and the model should not have reweigh stenciling, right?
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Benjamin Hom
Ben de Vries asked: "Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the Linde and GN car? I would like to avoid buying foobies!" Bill Welch replied: "A link would be helpful Ben. . ." We've discussed these models before in the thread "Bowser Box Cars" starting with message #143056 dated 6/15/16. Long story short, this model has been lurking around the Bowser catalog for the last 15-20 years or so in the guise of base model "canvas" for custom-decorated cars in their English Model Railroad Supply line. Bowser used their Class X31A single door boxcar tooling as the basis for a "generic" 40 ft boxcar, creating a model with a Murphy rectangular panel roof with 4/5 Dreadnaught ends but with the side rivet patterns of the Class X31A single door car, all the way down to the unique 5 panels to the left of the door/4 panels to the right of the door. I've got one of these models, but haven't discovered any prototype for it yet as this combination of features is unusual, so all of the decorated models are suspect. Frankly, $28.95 is a bit much to shell out for a stand-in model. Ben Hom
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Re: Erie coal gon
...but it was done in brass in TT-scale!!! A 'Joma'
import from Japan.
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Drawings from the '31 CBCyc were reprinted in Train Shed Cyclopedia 46... and an article by Jim Cassidy on upgrading the Mantua HO car was in MRG May-June 1985. Another article was written by Richard Reichenbach in the ELHS Diamond... the copy I have is undated. Original: Circa-1923 Modernized: Post 1937 Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Brennan - TT-west www.tt-west.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
At 07:36 AM 10/9/2019, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Surprising it was never done in resin... over 500 cars in service, and 44.0 feet inside length!
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Re: Erie coal gon
Alice Devenny
Steve:
Sorry, I don't recall which RMC issue had the Erie coal gon article. My quick attempt at trying to find an index on-line was not successful. IIRC, the article wasn't much help regarding the car height problem anyway. Car height is the major issue to overcome - the rest of the work was just some simple detailing. Tom Devenny East Norriton, PA
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Bill Welch
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 04:13 AM, Ben de Vries wrote:
Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the LindeA link would be helpful Ben. . . Bill Welch
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Ben de Vries
Thank you Garth for your very informative message!
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Ben Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
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Re: Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Ben,
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I can't comment on the fidelity of the body styles since I don't have any of the Bowser cars, and their web pictures are rather unhelpful. As for the Linde "boxcar", the prototype wasn't actually a boxcar at all. It was an XT class tank car, SERX (Shippers Car Line) series 500-1043, which in 1958 was filled by just 160 cars. Like most Shippers cars, these were built by AC&F (which owned Shippers). An XT tank car usually had two tanks and loading equipment surrounded by a boxcar shell. Linde's car usually had a small access door in each end above the couplers, with other plates on the lower car body, and some had additional plates or small vents just below the roofline. The running boards were broken by several vents set into the center line of the roof. Linde also operated XT cars built by, and leased from, General American under the LAPX reporting marks. In 1958 there were over 400 cars in four number series. GA also leased similar cars to Air Reduction Co. under the AROX mark, and to National Cylinder Gas Co. under the GAOX mark. The Linde cars can be very confusing, as they tended get rebuilt from time to time to suit the needs of new shippers, or for new gas products. This resulted in a blizzard of renumberings. The best coverage of these cars is found in RAILWAY PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA 14, "40' Cryogenic Box/Tank Cars -- Special Tank Cars Masquerading as A.A.R Boxcars" by Patrick C. Wilder. Additional articles I have in my files are: A kitbash article, "Linde Tank Car" by Bill Darnaby from the May 1993 MAINLINE MODELER. A follow-up letter to the editor with photos showing the odd side plates ion the December MAINLINE MODELER. Another kitbash article, "40-foot Linde Box/Tank Cars" by John J. Ryckowski in the July 1993 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. And a general history/photo article, "The Linde 40-foot Box/Tank Cars" by John Ryckowski in the same RMJ issue. As the Bowser car is out of the box, none of the XT details are present. Adding them to an existing painted car would probably result in a mess you wouldn't be proud to show off. It would be better to start with a stripped car body. Which one? Well that's a problem. Depending on the lots, Linde cars came with both 10 and 12-panel sides, and a variety of ends. Their heights also varied. You need to work from photos with the appropriate car body. As for paint, the green scheme appears to date from the late 1950s. For most of us steam-era modelers, the FCR red scheme with the diamond herald is correct. Champ used to offer the decals for this scheme. Bill Darnaby did a credible job creating the diamond herald from individual letters. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 10/10/2019 4:13 AM, Ben de Vries
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Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the Linde and GN car? I would like to avoid buying foobies! Ben de Vries, the Netherlands Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
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Fidelity Bowser 40’ boxcars
Ben de Vries
Can anyone of you review the prototype fidelity of subj. cars, especially the Linde
and GN car? I would like to avoid buying foobies! Ben de Vries, the Netherlands Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
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Re: Model Help
rwitt_2000
The Sunshine hoppers wouldn't work [I can't quickly find the Inside Length.]?
twin bay chiseled side hoppers (Discontinued) Both series of cars were built by Pressed Steel Car so they could have done a run of the C proprietary design for the NP. Bob Witt
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Ray Breyer
Hi Don, I know of one article that's about to go to press, and I'm about to start on another (using your part on double sheathed cars). Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 08:11:42 PM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
Hi Roger, The #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit was specifically made to duplicate Richard Hendrickson's efforts to resin cast such doors to convert the Accurail cars to GTW prototypes as noted. The original source of decasl for them was Robert Smith. I believe he passed away several years ago and decals are no offered by Allan Ferguson's "Black Cat" line. NERS is no longer working through Walthers but several members of this list have been shipped orers for these parts of late. Has someone done a conversion project write-up with them that I am not aware of? Hope this helps, Don Valentine New England Rail Service, Inc.
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Re: 40' 1 1/2 door SS boxcars
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Hi Roger, The #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit was specifically made to duplicate Richard Hendrickson's efforts to resin cast such doors to convert the Accurail cars to GTW prototypes as noted. The original source of decasl for them was Robert Smith. I believe he passed away several years ago and decals are no offered by Allan Ferguson's "Black Cat" line. NERS is no longer working through Walthers but several members of this list have been shipped orers for these parts of late. Has someone done a conversion project write-up with them that I am not aware of? Hope this helps, Don Valentine New England Rail Service, Inc.
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