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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

VERY cool!

Growing up in Pittsburgh, you were besieged by the cacophony of noise, air pollutants, and smells you would never get away with now.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 12:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Just a guess, but I’m slightly familiar with these machines … my dad worked for Ring Screw Works in Detroit. He took me there a few times to see where he worked. They had a bunch of cold-headers, including several very large machines. These beasts were buried in pits in the floor, and each time they’d strike they'd shake the whole neighborhood. Literally!

Dan Mitchell
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On Aug 2, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Dan;

Good guess! That could be it.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 10:44 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Could be frames for cold-heading (forging) machines.

Dan MItchell
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On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Found another photo of a GSC HD flat car, with an outbound load at Mesta Machine 1959:

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Any idea who the load was for? They look like bodies for HD shears.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood









Re: Another HD flat

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

I have seen others like this, that were for creating things like large mill rolls, flywheels, and such. They didn't use regular molds for these ingots, but made up special breakable molds, once poured a cooled, were broken to release the ingot.

These did not go out in interchange; I never saw one on somebody else's rails.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Soderblom
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 12:21 PM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat

It says it’s an ingot, but it looks rough, like concrete. And why the asymmetric shape?




David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@...


Re: Another HD flat

David Soderblom
 

It says it’s an ingot, but it looks rough, like concrete. And why the asymmetric shape?




David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@...


Re: Photo: Heavy Duty Milwaukee Road Flat Car 601051

David Soderblom
 

Would a large load like this have been included in a regular train, or would it have required it’s own engine and caboose?



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@...


Re: Another HD flat CB&Q

David Soderblom
 

Their symmetry also suggests something to do with a very large magnet.



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@...


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Just a guess, but I’m slightly familiar with these machines … my dad worked for Ring Screw Works in Detroit. He took me there a few times to see where he worked. They had a bunch of cold-headers, including several very large machines. These beasts were buried in pits in the floor, and each time they’d strike they'd shake the whole neighborhood. Literally!

Dan Mitchell
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On Aug 2, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Dan;

Good guess! That could be it.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 10:44 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Could be frames for cold-heading (forging) machines.

Dan MItchell
==========

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Found another photo of a GSC HD flat car, with an outbound load at Mesta Machine 1959:

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-1650

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/viewer

Any idea who the load was for? They look like bodies for HD shears.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood









Re: Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

Richard Townsend
 

The CB&Q converted some composite 40’ gons to TOFC service and they were quite unsuccessful. The Burlington Route Historical Society has a “data sheet” (#12) that has a photo.


On Aug 2, 2019, at 8:21 AM, dale florence via Groups.Io <dwwesley@...> wrote:

Tim,

Thank you for the R. I. Gondola TOFC Cars.  I am guessing that the car you built was from a Tichey  war emergency car. Looks very good.

Thanks for the pictures
Dale Florence






On Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:15:59 AM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


On 8/1/2019 10:35 PM, dale florence via Groups.Io wrote:
Does anyone have information on Gondolas that were converted  into TOFC cars, or pictures, from the early 1950's.. I want to build some, but cannot find information, or pictures.

Dale Florence 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Dan;

Good guess! That could be it.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 10:44 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Could be frames for cold-heading (forging) machines.

Dan MItchell
==========

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Found another photo of a GSC HD flat car, with an outbound load at Mesta Machine 1959:

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-1650

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/viewer

Any idea who the load was for? They look like bodies for HD shears.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood



Re: Another HD flat CB&Q

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Could be frames for cold-heading (forging) machines.

Dan MItchell
==========

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Found another photo of a GSC HD flat car, with an outbound load at Mesta Machine 1959:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-1650

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/viewer

Any idea who the load was for? They look like bodies for HD shears.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood



Re: Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

Tim,

Thank you for the R. I. Gondola TOFC Cars.  I am guessing that the car you built was from a Tichey  war emergency car. Looks very good.

Thanks for the pictures
Dale Florence






On Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:15:59 AM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


On 8/1/2019 10:35 PM, dale florence via Groups.Io wrote:
Does anyone have information on Gondolas that were converted  into TOFC cars, or pictures, from the early 1950's.. I want to build some, but cannot find information, or pictures.

Dale Florence 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

Tim O'Connor
 

On 8/1/2019 10:35 PM, dale florence via Groups.Io wrote:
Does anyone have information on Gondolas that were converted  into TOFC cars, or pictures, from the early 1950's.. I want to build some, but cannot find information, or pictures.

Dale Florence 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Heavy Duty Milwaukee Road Flat Car 601051

espee4441
 

What route did this take to get to Vancouver? If it went MILW all the way then crossing the border at Sumas, Wa is the only option. Hard time seeing this being the case. Pulp digester makes more sense for the area around here, I wonder if this was trans-loaded onto a barge in Van. or made it all the way to final destination by rail.

That's one photo I really like, many thanks to you Bob for finding this.

Tony Pawley


Another HD flat

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

One of my favorites, stubby Carnegie-Illinois Steel (USSteel), with a whopping big ingot - Homestead Works, 1946

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.46974.GN/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-1821

Elden Gatwood


Re: Photo: Heavy Duty Milwaukee Road Flat Car 601051

Tim O'Connor
 


A "pulp digester" according to my notes.



On 8/1/2019 3:33 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Heavy Duty Milwaukee Road Flat Car 601051

A photo from 1956:

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/milwaukee-road-rly-flat-car-loaded-with-tank

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Anyone know what the vessel is?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Another HD flat CB&Q

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Found another photo of a GSC HD flat car, with an outbound load at Mesta Machine 1959:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-1650

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/viewer

Any idea who the load was for? They look like bodies for HD shears.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood


Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

 :Does anyone have information on Gondolas that were converted  into TOFC cars, or pictures, from the early 1950's.. I want to build some, but cannot find information, or pictures.

Dale Florence 







Re: P&LE gons, and nice ingot mold loads

brianleppert@att.net
 

Tim O'Connor wrote "GYPSUM or TRANSCO running board on Rock Island 25189?"

And isn't that a Morton lateral r.b.?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


941st Field Artillery Equipment move in 1943

John Barry
 

In the fall of 1943, the 941st Field Artillery deployed from Camp Polk LA to the Desert Training Center at Freda CA on Santa Fe's Parker Branch.  I found a memorandum copy of the Government Bill of Lading in the National Archives and have written a short blog post that includes images of the seven page GBL and a link to a spread sheet with the car numbers and loads.


Not quite over Cajon, but a typical artillery unit move for 1943.  The personnel would have gone in a separate Passenger MAIN train.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Photo: Heavy Duty Milwaukee Road Flat Car 601051

mopacfirst
 

It looks like a coke drum.

In a delayed coker, which produces petroleum coke, the reaction occurs in the heater and on the way to the drum, where the coke settles out and the light hydrocarbon vapors go out the top.  Here, top is to the left as the drum is positioned on the flatcar.  The drum gradually fills with coke over an approximately 18-hour cycle, then when it's filled there's a switch valve that sends the stream of coke into another drum without stopping the flow.  Then the fun begins.  The drum is deheaded (opening the bottom "head") and high-pressure lances are used from the top to break up the 900 degree coke and send it out the bottom into a chute to the coke pile, where it becomes hopper car loads en route to coke users.  Once the drum is empty, it's kept warn until its turn comes to be re-filled.

Driving past a refinery, the coker unit is distinctive and plainly visible as two or three of these drums high up in a structure, with what looks like a drilling rig on top.  That's the structure that supports the process of lancing the coke.  The only nozzles on the drum, other than the vapor flow out near the top, are those small thermowell nozzles which are mounted at an angle along the drum to detect the temperatures inside the drum as it's filled.  The supports for the drum are at the top of the conical section, which is at the deheading deck level, sometimes called the tabletop.  In the steam era, the deheading was an extremely dirty and dangerous job.

Perhaps more than you wanted to know.

Ron Merrick


Photo: Heavy Duty Milwaukee Road Flat Car 601051

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Heavy Duty Milwaukee Road Flat Car 601051

A photo from 1956:

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/milwaukee-road-rly-flat-car-loaded-with-tank

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Anyone know what the vessel is?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA