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Re: Anyone looking for a Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-18 kit?

C J Wyatt
 

Looks like I probably have a buyer. Wish I had more than one to offer.

Jack

On Friday, July 19, 2019, 09:05:18 PM EDT, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:


I bought one at Naperville a couple of decades ago. Changing scales so it needs a good home. Please reply to me off-group.

Jack Wyatt


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Guys,
 
It appears to me to be a browser thing.  I was unable to get to either page using Google (not uncommon), but had no trouble using both MS Edge and Firefox. 
 
As to “https://” sites, I use them all the time and even Google doesn’t seem to have a problem with them.  I have no idea what Google’s problem is with these particular pages. 
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 5:34 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)
 
I had the same problem. If you click on view/reply online and go tot eh thread, they work fine from there.

Regards

Bruce

 

Bruce F. Smith           

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jul 19, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:
 
On 7/19/2019 1:28 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:
I can’t make either of these links open. Any suggestions?

    Someone told me that one can't get to these (and other) pages because they are https:

However I can get to other https: pages.  It appears to be random.  This is with Win10.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
 


Anyone looking for a Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-18 kit?

C J Wyatt
 

I bought one at Naperville a couple of decades ago. Changing scales so it needs a good home. Please reply to me off-group.

Jack Wyatt


Re: freight car paint schemes was:[RealSTMFC] Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Aley, Jeff A
 

Fantastic!  May we post a copy in the RealSTMFC FILES section?

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 1:34 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: freight car paint schemes was:[RealSTMFC] Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

 

Hello Everyone...

 

Tony wrote: " I didn't have in mind a COMPLETE list of EVERY change on EVERY railroad. But many of us could benefit from a timeline of MAJOR changes on the big railroads."  

 

I dare offer up attached spreadsheet for examination. As some of you know, I have been working on a database of box cars since the mid-eighties. The focus is documentation for every box car series built new between 1910 and 1944. Also included is every series renumbered, or rebuilt, or renumbered and rebuilt from those new series, all with service histories based on ORER car counts, railroad records, government publications, and other documentation. This extends the scope of the data into the early 1980's. Certain series suiting my eclectic tastes reach back into the 1890's. As a relational database, series are linked to published photos, plans, equipment diagrams, and citations from documents. At the moment there are (rounded) entries for 8500 series representing 576 car owners, based on 31,000 citations to 5500 documents. In addition, there are links to 13,400 instances of photos and 6600 drawings, I recite this to put the attached spreadsheet in perspective.

 

The timeline constructed as a side project to the above has 1700 records. The attached excerpt at 451 records is a subset related to RR specific graphics and general MCB, ARA, AAR recommendations or requirements. The entries are accessioned only when encountered in pursuit of information related to the larger goal above: i.e.no attempt has been made to research paint and heraldry in a dedicated way. 

 

Reviewing the entries the deficits of a textural description not accompanied by drawings and photos is evident. A relational database can do that with the addition of those items. At 450 entries over 35 years my accession rate has been about 15/year. Based on that I think dedicated work by a few focused individuals could complete a very useful document in less than a year.

 

Comments?

 

Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL

 

 

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 7:26 PM al.kresse <water.kresse@...> wrote:

Are you only interested in western railroads? Every type of revenue producing car? . . . or also M&W and cabooses? What eras  . . . . 1900-1972 say for the C&O? . . . or 1926-1962?  etc.?

Al Kresse

> On July 18, 2019 at 7:55 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
>
>
>       I didn't have in mind a COMPLETE list of EVERY change on EVERY railroad. But many of us could benefit from a timeline of MAJOR changes on the big railroads. I don't think it would have to be huge, though of course some railroads were pretty changeable.
>        Likely few if any of us could sit down and write it. But most of us know ONE railroad (or a few) well enough to summarize. That's the kind of thing I meant. I can offer an SP one and a few other roads I know.
>
> Tony Thompson
> tony@...
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: 5th Avenue Car Shops/Accurail CB&Q XM-30 Boxcar

Nelson Moyer
 

Accurail cars are like all off the shelf models, both kit and RTR, in that manufacturers select one prototype or a composite of multiple prototypes for the dies and paint the cars for several roads. That means all but one of the paint scheme are foobies. I consider Accurail as stand-ins to run until I build a resin kit based more closely on a specific prototype. The short answer to your question is, no, but I’m away from my resources, and I can’t tell you the specific differences now.

Nelson Moyer

On Jul 19, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Pete Steinmetz <peteson30@...> wrote:

Is the Accurail car accurate for the CB&Q  XM-30?  It looks like the sides near the ends of the car have different spacing than the Accurail car.  Could be the angle of the prototype photos.
I like this model a lot and am considering making one.

Pete Steinmetz


1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

Andy Carlson
 

Dan Hall's SouthWest Scale Models has this 4/6/6 Improved Youngstown door as one of his offerings.
-Andy Carlson

On Friday, July 19, 2019, 4:37:52 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Nate we should move this to the BBFCL. I didn't know about the C&EI rebuilds. Thanks!

Tim O'


On 7/19/2019 12:55 PM, Nathan Obermeyer via Groups.Io wrote:

Paul,

What year do you model? In 1963 these cars received a new side sill, roof, and doors. I've attached an as built image and a rebuilt image from 1976 after the merger with the Mopac.

Nate

Attachments:



_._,_._,_


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

Tim O'Connor
 


Nate we should move this to the BBFCL. I didn't know about the C&EI rebuilds. Thanks!

Tim O'


On 7/19/2019 12:55 PM, Nathan Obermeyer via Groups.Io wrote:
Paul,

What year do you model? In 1963 these cars received a new side sill, roof, and doors. I've attached an as built image and a rebuilt image from 1976 after the merger with the Mopac.

Nate

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 5th Avenue Car Shops/Accurail CB&Q XM-30 Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Pete Steinmetz asked:
"Is the Accurail car accurate for the CB&Q  XM-30?  It looks like the sides near the ends of the car have different spacing than the Accurail car.  Could be the angle of the prototype photos."

No.  The roof, ends, and underframe are different as well, and the prototype car is 4 in taller than the Accurail model.  Sunshine did a more accurate version as Kit 17.16.


Ben Hom


Re: 5th Avenue Car Shops/Accurail CB&Q XM-30 Boxcar

Pete Steinmetz
 

Is the Accurail car accurate for the CB&Q  XM-30?  It looks like the sides near the ends of the car have different spacing than the Accurail car.  Could be the angle of the prototype photos.
I like this model a lot and am considering making one.

Pete Steinmetz


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Bruce Smith
 

I had the same problem. If you click on view/reply online and go tot eh thread, they work fine from there.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jul 19, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:

On 7/19/2019 1:28 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:
I can’t make either of these links open. Any suggestions?

    Someone told me that one can't get to these (and other) pages because they are https:

However I can get to other https: pages.  It appears to be random.  This is with Win10.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Jon Miller
 

On 7/19/2019 1:28 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:
I can’t make either of these links open. Any suggestions?

    Someone told me that one can't get to these (and other) pages because they are https:

However I can get to other https: pages.  It appears to be random.  This is with Win10.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Atlas Freight Car Announcement

Don Burn
 

Garth,

 

     From a post I did when the cars first came out:

 

Style #1 Long Tab Body,  Murphy Panel Roof,          4/4 Dreadnaught Ends

Style #2 Long Tab Body,  11-Panel Flat Riveted Roof, Riveted Ends

Style #3 Short Tab Body, Hutchins Radial Roof,       4/4 Dreadnaught End

Style #4 Short Tab Body, Viking Corrugated Roof,     Buckeye ends

Style #5 Long Tab Body,  11-Panel Flat Rivet Roof,   4/4 Dreadnaught Ends

Style #6 Long Tab Body,  Viking Corrugated Roof,     4/4 Dreadnaught Ends

Style #7 Long Tab Body,  Murphy Panel Roof,          Flat Riveted Ends

 

Don Burn

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 1:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Atlas Freight Car Announcement

 

Bill and Friends,

I see that Atlas will be offering their ARA 1932 boxcar in an undecorated in "Body Style 2" (with the flat plate ends). This is essentially correct for the Seaboard class B-6, though it does have some problems. Upgrading this car was covered by John Golden and Justin May in the SEABOARD-COAST LINE MODELER for March 2009. This car is useful for all us steam-era "Y'all Railroad" modelers. I may to try to get one, though I need another boxcar like I need a hole in my head.

I see they are offering undecorated models of styles 1, 2 and 5. Has anyone ever done an analysis of the various Atlas body styles for the 1932 ARA boxcars? I know some of the detail combinations were worthy of Train Miniature, but with a shot-gun approach at least some of these must have had a prototype or two beside the standard design. I do have a print-out of John Hile's STMFC post from 2008, but it only discusses six cars Atlas released pre-lettered: CG, CRR, I-GN, MEC, CRR and WRTCo. Since I have a couple of F&C kits, plus a Sunshine Norfolk Southern, all unbuilt, I probably won't spring for any others unless the bodies are unique.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/19/19 5:35 AM, Bill Welch wrote:

This link shows a few freight car releases for the era of this group. I like undecorated and so the three 1932 variations are of interest to me plus I think I may get one of the little meat reefers: https://mycaboose.com/new-releases/atlas-ho-rolling-stock-summer-advanced-reservations?utm_source=Caboose+Newsletter&utm_campaign=e5cbde1b3e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_03_09_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_907397b93c-e5cbde1b3e-100264421&mc_cid=e5cbde1b3e&mc_eid=fef507ff99

Not sure why "ATHEARN" is present but I think it can be ignored

Bill Welch

 


Re: Atlas Freight Car Announcement

Curt Fortenberry
 


1932 ARA Style 3 is good for C&O but not offered in this run. 

Curt Fortenberry 


Re: freight car paint schemes was:[RealSTMFC] Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Eric Lombard
 

Hello Everyone...

Tony wrote: " I didn't have in mind a COMPLETE list of EVERY change on EVERY railroad. But many of us could benefit from a timeline of MAJOR changes on the big railroads."  

I dare offer up attached spreadsheet for examination. As some of you know, I have been working on a database of box cars since the mid-eighties. The focus is documentation for every box car series built new between 1910 and 1944. Also included is every series renumbered, or rebuilt, or renumbered and rebuilt from those new series, all with service histories based on ORER car counts, railroad records, government publications, and other documentation. This extends the scope of the data into the early 1980's. Certain series suiting my eclectic tastes reach back into the 1890's. As a relational database, series are linked to published photos, plans, equipment diagrams, and citations from documents. At the moment there are (rounded) entries for 8500 series representing 576 car owners, based on 31,000 citations to 5500 documents. In addition, there are links to 13,400 instances of photos and 6600 drawings, I recite this to put the attached spreadsheet in perspective.

The timeline constructed as a side project to the above has 1700 records. The attached excerpt at 451 records is a subset related to RR specific graphics and general MCB, ARA, AAR recommendations or requirements. The entries are accessioned only when encountered in pursuit of information related to the larger goal above: i.e.no attempt has been made to research paint and heraldry in a dedicated way. 

Reviewing the entries the deficits of a textural description not accompanied by drawings and photos is evident. A relational database can do that with the addition of those items. At 450 entries over 35 years my accession rate has been about 15/year. Based on that I think dedicated work by a few focused individuals could complete a very useful document in less than a year.

Comments?

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 7:26 PM al.kresse <water.kresse@...> wrote:
Are you only interested in western railroads? Every type of revenue producing car? . . . or also M&W and cabooses? What eras  . . . . 1900-1972 say for the C&O? . . . or 1926-1962?  etc.?

Al Kresse

> On July 18, 2019 at 7:55 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
>
>
>       I didn't have in mind a COMPLETE list of EVERY change on EVERY railroad. But many of us could benefit from a timeline of MAJOR changes on the big railroads. I don't think it would have to be huge, though of course some railroads were pretty changeable.
>        Likely few if any of us could sit down and write it. But most of us know ONE railroad (or a few) well enough to summarize. That's the kind of thing I meant. I can offer an SP one and a few other roads I know.
>
> Tony Thompson
> tony@...
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Steve SANDIFER
 

I can’t make either of these links open. Any suggestions?

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 12:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

 

Dick Harley produced this presentation on Union Pacific painting and lettering schemes covering 1940 to 1975:

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/

The presentation is part of this UP Freight Car Painting & Lettering information:

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Mathieson Tank Cars (Caustic Soda)

spsalso
 

From this:

https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=214938

it appears carbon steel can handle caustic soda up to about 120-150 degrees F.  I imagine, back in steam days, the tank cars had unlined steel tanks.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

Paul Doggett
 

Speedwitch media relaunch decal set.

Paul 


On 19 Jul 2019, at 20:39, Bill Keene via Groups.Io <bill41@...> wrote:

Can someone offer a recommendation for a source of decals for the C&EI 1937 AAR box car in its as-delivered paint scheme?

Thanks & cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 19, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Nathan Obermeyer via Groups.Io <obermeyern@...> wrote:

Paul,

What year do you model? In 1963 these cars received a new side sill, roof, and doors. I've attached an as built image and a rebuilt image from 1976 after the merger with the Mopac.

Nate <cei64103.JPG><mp117414  Springfield, Mo.  January 11, 1976.jpg>


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

Brian Carlson
 

Speedwitch relaunch set. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 19, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Bill Keene via Groups.Io <bill41@...> wrote:

Can someone offer a recommendation for a source of decals for the C&EI 1937 AAR box car in its as-delivered paint scheme?

Thanks & cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 19, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Nathan Obermeyer via Groups.Io <obermeyern@...> wrote:

Paul,

What year do you model? In 1963 these cars received a new side sill, roof, and doors. I've attached an as built image and a rebuilt image from 1976 after the merger with the Mopac.

Nate <cei64103.JPG><mp117414  Springfield, Mo.  January 11, 1976.jpg>


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

Bill Keene
 

Can someone offer a recommendation for a source of decals for the C&EI 1937 AAR box car in its as-delivered paint scheme?

Thanks & cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 19, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Nathan Obermeyer via Groups.Io <obermeyern@...> wrote:

Paul,

What year do you model? In 1963 these cars received a new side sill, roof, and doors. I've attached an as built image and a rebuilt image from 1976 after the merger with the Mopac.

Nate <cei64103.JPG><mp117414  Springfield, Mo.  January 11, 1976.jpg>


Re: Atlas Freight Car Announcement

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Regarding the various 1932 offering I built several Sunshine—NC&StL freight and express; SAL freight and express ventilator, WRT; CofG; CRR; and F&C—NdeM; CGW; BAR. Then at some point I picked the undec. Atlas Erie and one with Dreadnaught ends and Murphy roof. I like the Erie example well enough I built it instead of the Sunshine kit I have because the Atlas roof and sill are better I think and built the other for I-GN. I offered the link to my ARA/AAR Steel Boxcar Modeling Clinic here and on the Styrene Modeling site where I cover these two models. I think they hold up well compared to both Sunshine and F&C that were originally done for Yankee Clipper. I did fabricate new doors for both from InterMountain and Tichy doors.

I will reserve one of the kits with the flat panel roof to harvest the roof and ends for a NC&StL re-build w/a Tichy flat car underframe and one of the C&O types to harvest the roof.

Bill Welch