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Union Refrigerator Transit Lines URTX 87292

Lester Breuer
 

I have finished a Branchline Trains wood Union Refrigerator Transit Lines ventilated Refrigerator URTX 87292.  On the car I installed a AB brake system replacing the K system in the kit along with other upgrades.  If you are interested, photos and writeup of building and finishing URTX 87292 are now on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company (M&N).  If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


Re: K BraKE QUESTION

Dave Nelson
 

Thank you Guy, that's exactly what I was looking for.

FWIW in rail sims one does need to provide the correct data so the software can calculate the amount of brake force applied to the wheel rim on a speed curve. It's all rather different than working w/ HO models, especially when you cannot find the correct answer.

Thanks again!

Dave Nelson.

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Guy Wilber via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] K BraKE QUESTION

Dave Nelson asked: “I’m trying to find out what the air volume was for a typical KC brake reservoir?”

Dave,

1929 ARA Standards (attached).

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: K BraKE QUESTION

Randy Hees
 

K (and the predecessor H) brakes came in several sizes (K-1 through K-4)...   K-1 being the smallest...  They will have different sizes of cylinders (pistons) and reservoirs.  This is independent of KC (K connected) or KD (K disconnected) which use the same size cylinders and reservoirs for each size... 

Randy Hees


Rapido USRA 40-ton Boxcar

Bill Welch
 

Reporting from the NERPM, Rapido displaying USRA double sheathed boxcar. Also spotted four different boxcar red gloss paints in their line of paints.

-30-

Bill Welch


Re: K BraKE QUESTION

Guy Wilber
 

Dave Nelson asked: “I’m trying to find out what the air volume was for a typical KC brake reservoir?”

Dave,

1929 ARA Standards (attached).

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


K BraKE QUESTION

Dave Nelson
 

I’m trying to find out what the air volume was for a typical KC brake reservoir.  Anyone know?

 

Dave Nelson


Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dennis,
I don't have the complete building, but here are two partial views from about 15 years ago (with their NATX tank car for group content). The dock appears flat as a piece of paper.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



On 5/30/19 2:34 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 06:17 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo/erielack-05-26-19/X6994.jpg

Well that photo certainly makes clear the amount of pitch of the loading dock. Look at the piles of boxes on the dock, and how out of plumb they are sitting.

Now that we can see the whole arrangement, I wonder if that isn't the oil house for the whole facility. Back in those days the philosophy was drainage rather than spill containment, and that pitch would certainly have any spills draining out onto the ground rather than pooling on the floor. Steamtown National Historic Site in Scranton has preserved a DL&W oil house that they use as a book store; it's one of the few original buildings on the site. I recall it has a loading dock, but I don't recall the pitch of the floor, nor can I find a photo of it.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

I hesitated to mention it, but since we’re still commenting on the photo, the caption says
“Site” of inspection facility, not inspection facility.   This infers that the photo was likely taken before demolition of existing buildings and construction of new inspection building started.

However, I would hate to have to roll a dolly or handtruck of material out of a car and up that slope to the floor of the building….controlling it on the dock would be fun as well!!!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

 

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 06:17 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo/erielack-05-26-19/X6994.jpg

Well that photo certainly makes clear the amount of pitch of the loading dock. Look at the piles of boxes on the dock, and how out of plumb they are sitting.

Now that we can see the whole arrangement, I wonder if that isn't the oil house for the whole facility. Back in those days the philosophy was drainage rather than spill containment, and that pitch would certainly have any spills draining out onto the ground rather than pooling on the floor. Steamtown National Historic Site in Scranton has preserved a DL&W oil house that they use as a book store; it's one of the few original buildings on the site. I recall it has a loading dock, but I don't recall the pitch of the floor, nor can I find a photo of it.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: SRIX Refrigerator Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Ed and List Members,
 
Ed wrote: "A side-view builder photo of SRIX 101, built 10-29, was published on p. 191 of the 1931 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia. Drawings also appear on pages 190-192"
 
Note this same set of pages can be found in Train Shed Cyc #3
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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From: Ed Hawkins
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SRIX Refrigerator Cars


On May 30, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Apparently Safety Car Heating and Lighting operated a small fleet of Safety Refrigeration reefers with SRIX marks in the 1930's.  Has anyone seen a photo of such?  We ran into some Pullman drawings from lot 5457 yesterday at IRM.

Steve,
Pullman Lot 5457 was for 50 cars, SRIX 101-150. A side-view builder photo of SRIX 101, built 10-29, was published on p. 191 of the 1931 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia. Drawings also appear on pages 190-192. 

Side & end views of SRIX 138, built 1-30, were published on p. 112-113 of the book Great Yellow Fleet - photos credited to the Smithsonian Institution. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 06:17 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo/erielack-05-26-19/X6994.jpg

Well that photo certainly makes clear the amount of pitch of the loading dock. Look at the piles of boxes on the dock, and how out of plumb they are sitting.

Now that we can see the whole arrangement, I wonder if that isn't the oil house for the whole facility. Back in those days the philosophy was drainage rather than spill containment, and that pitch would certainly have any spills draining out onto the ground rather than pooling on the floor. Steamtown National Historic Site in Scranton has preserved a DL&W oil house that they use as a book store; it's one of the few original buildings on the site. I recall it has a loading dock, but I don't recall the pitch of the floor, nor can I find a photo of it.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: SRIX Refrigerator Cars

Ed Hawkins
 


On May 30, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Apparently Safety Car Heating and Lighting operated a small fleet of Safety Refrigeration reefers with SRIX marks in the 1930's.  Has anyone seen a photo of such?  We ran into some Pullman drawings from lot 5457 yesterday at IRM.

Steve,
Pullman Lot 5457 was for 50 cars, SRIX 101-150. A side-view builder photo of SRIX 101, built 10-29, was published on p. 191 of the 1931 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia. Drawings also appear on pages 190-192. 

Side & end views of SRIX 138, built 1-30, were published on p. 112-113 of the book Great Yellow Fleet - photos credited to the Smithsonian Institution. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Survivor CN long double deck auto carrier in California

James Musgrove
 

Greetings to all who are interested in the original auto-train.
The RF&P RR Historical Society has published 2 books about this concept, one about the auto-train and another about Amtrak's Auto Train.
Both books were written by Doug Riddell and tell the story of both companies.
You can buy these books at www.rfandp.org.
Jim Musgrove


Re: Survivor CN long double deck auto carrier in California

Charlie Vlk
 

All-
For the record, Bachmann did the Auto-Train ex-CN cars in N Scale as well.
Charlie Vlk


Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for your notes, Dennis. The photo angle and lighting made it difficult to see the truss rod details, even after some Photoshop massaging. I did notice the bolts below the coupler striker but thought those were mainly the striker attachment hardware. I did not realize they were associated with an inner pair of truss rods.

 

Thanks also for the notes on identifying steel centersills based upon draft sills. This will be handy when reviewing pre-1930s freight car photos.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 3:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

 

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:15 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:

From a second look I think you are right about only two truss rods on the DL&W boxcar,

I disagree, I think iy is a four truss rod car, and we can only see the near side rods. The inner rods are quite close to the center sills, as evidenced by the placement of their terminating nuts on the striker casting, and therefore are quite far from the outer rods. If uou look carefully under the car you can see the brake cylinder on the near side of the center sills, and the queenpost on the inner truss rod is quite close behind the brake rod that that runs to the lever on the near end of the brake cylinder. We can only see halfway under the car.

I also don't think the car has a steel centersill. If the car had been improved with steel sills, they would have included the draft sills, indeed one common improvement before the advent of steel center sills was steel replacement draft sills, as the draft sills tended to be the weakest part of the underframe. The construction visible at the end of the car still clearly has wood sills; the ends show, bolted below that cast striker, with the drawbar carry iron bolted to the bottom of the sills.

That end is a proprietary item, shown in the 1922 CBC. Given that there is no initials above the number, I bet the CBC illustration of of a DL&W car.


Dennis Storzek


Re: SRIX Refrigerator Cars

Scott
 

There is at least one photo available.  They had a short life span though as they were sold to the MDT and rebuilt into regular reefers.

Scott McDonald


SRIX Refrigerator Cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Apparently Safety Car Heating and Lighting operated a small fleet of Safety Refrigeration reefers with SRIX marks in the 1930's.  Has anyone seen a photo of such?  We ran into some Pullman drawings from lot 5457 yesterday at IRM.
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile


Re: Photo: Delivering A 1957 Chevy

Tim O'Connor
 


My bad. I didn't know about the renumbering. The 25 cars are listed in the 1959 ORER - and they are
marked "not for interchange".

New trilevel 85 foot autoracks were delivered to TTX in 1960, and all of those were interchangeable with
all railroads.






On 5/29/2019 11:03 PM, Ian Cranstone wrote:
When built, these special cars were seen as replacements for the old-style automobile cars, which were much more cumbersome to load and unload. CN had 25 75 foot cars built in late 1956 (CN 570400-570424), and 50 more followed in early 1959 (CN 570425-570474), along with 75 56 foot cars (CN 570700-570774). In the late 1950s and into the early 1960s, these cars were used extensively by CN to deliver newly built cars, and were clearly marked “not to be interchanged off of CN lines in Canada". When the industry opted for auto racks instead, CN then acquired a large fleet of bilevel and trilevel racks between 1962 and 1965, which rendered these unique bilevel automobile cars surplus — it would appear that they did not mix well with the newer autoracks, but likely worked in blocks in service to specific points only. For example, an aerial photo of Winnipeg’s East Yard taken in 1968 shows several of the 56 foot cars at an unloading ramp.

As part of the 1960s CN renumbering, the 75 foot cars were renumbered to CN 730000-730073 and the shorter cars to CN 720000-720069, with some subsequently renumbered 720100-720139 in 1974-75.

During the 1960s, CN experimented with a number of other uses for these cars: one was converted to a bilevel stock car in 1965 (CN 179000, later CN 820000), and some of the 56 foot cars found themselves in a dedicated Oshawa, Ontario to Newfoundland narrow gauge service in 1971 (as CN 15501-15509). The following year, these dedicated cars were repainted in the famous cutaway auto logo and assigned to Auto-With-You service (CN 9500-9507), in which passengers could have their automobiles travel with them on the same train. There was an earlier version called Car-Go-Rail, in which the car would move by fast freight to be delivered after the passenger train’s arrival.  A number of these 56 foot cars (including the stock car conversion) were later converted in 1975 for auto rack service in Newfoundland narrow gauge service (CN 18020-18034), and were heavily modified with the complete removal of sides and roof above the upper deck, and large holes cut in the sides of the lower deck. A few surviving 56 foot cars were converted to OCS service in 1987, at least one with large roll up doors cut into their sides (CN 72026 was the former CN 9503, still lettered with the cutaway auto scheme), and some may remain on the roster today.

When Auto Train began operation, the longer 74 foot cars were first leased, and subsequently sold to Auto Train – I suspect the date of sale was in 1973, as CN continued to list them in the ORER up until that point. Only 5 of these longer cars were retained by CN.

CN modellers in HO scale have been spoiled over the years: Walthers released the 1956 version some years ago, Bachmann did the 1959 version many years ago as part of their Auto Train set (albeit cruder and with hand brake recesses on both sides of the car) – and did release a CN version, but with the Auto-With-You cutaway paint that was only applied to the shorter cars (Stafford Swain upgraded one of these cars which was featured in a RMC Protofile feature back in the early 1980s); and Sylvan did the shorter 56 foot car in resin. Unfortunately, none of these models is currently available.

Ian Cranstone

Osgoode, Ontario, Canada



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Delivering A 1957 Chevy

James Musgrove
 

Just as aside, I agree that these should not be labeled as freight cars.
Anyone wanting more information on these CN cars should get a copy of the book auto-train, by Doug Riddell, sold by the RF&P RR HS at www.rfandp.org.
There are pictures of them in auto train service and a crossover table listing car numbers.


Re: Photo: Delivering A 1957 Chevy

Tim O'Connor
 

Sigh. They were NOT freight cars!

On 5/29/2019 10:22 PM, Jim Hayes wrote:
That is most likely a new American Chevy being unloaded for sale in Canada. New cars were shipped with their hub caps/wheel covers in the trunk to avoid theft. If it was an Auto Train type publicity photo it certainly would have had wheel covers on it.

JimH
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Wanting to buy!

Pierre Oliver
 

Al 
Thanks for looking 
I’ve found a stash that will more than serve my needs


On May 29, 2019, at 10:20 PM, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:

I have three IMWX undec boxcars UNBR03 Square Corner I will sell for $12.00 each plus $8.00 shipping, total $44.00 if interested.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On ‎Friday‎, ‎May‎ ‎24‎, ‎2019‎ ‎12‎:‎18‎:‎23‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PDT, pennsylvania1954 <stevehprr@...> wrote:


Pierre--Red Caboose ATSF but it is a kit. Currently on Ebay, 303156857803.
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Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL