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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

jc2fl
 

Here is a link to photos I took at the Florida Railroad Museum at Parrish FL.
Included are side, detail, and underframe photos of M-53 381538, M-15NA 374834, and M-15PD 376330

http://www.flickr.com/photos/b_and_o_boxcars



John Cantlay
Clearwater FL


ARA 1932 Matches for Atlas Body Styles

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I did some work matching between Ed Hawkins' list from the old Steam-Era Freight Car pages ( http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1932aramain.html ) and the Atlas body list Don Burn provided. Below are the roads which more-or-less match the Atlas offerings. A number of odd combinations are missing here, including BAR, CG, NdeM, etc. which don't match any of the body styles. Also missing are some "short tab" (the tabs below the doors) cars with the 4/4 ends which would be an easy conversion, including the 5 ARA demos, three of which went to the C&O and one each to NYC and PRR. Need Duryea underframes? You're on your own.


Style #1 Long Tab Body,  Murphy Panel Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends:   CG, CRR, D&H, I-GN, MEC, MVCMCX/1, MP, M-I, NOT&M, UP/1, WM

Style #2 Long Tab Body,  11-Panel Flat Riveted Roof, Riveted Ends"  L&A, NC&STL, SAL, WRT

Style #3 Short Tab Body, Hutchins Radial Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught End:  C&O, NKP

Style #4 Short Tab Body, Viking Corrugated Roof, Buckeye ends  ERIE

Style #5 Long Tab Body,  11-Panel Flat Rivet Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends SOO

Style #6 Long Tab Body,  Viking Corrugated Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends  NS

Style #7 Long Tab Body,  Murphy Panel Roof, Flat Riveted Ends  NONE THAT I CAN FIND


I'm sure I missed something and I will hear about it shortly.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Bruce Smith
 

Gary,


The plastic model was/is the Athearn. It has some serious issues, especially with the vertical dimension of the body being grossly too big. There is a resin model of this car in HO scale from F&C. The PRR F34 was a GSC cast body that was sold to multiple railroads including C&NW. 


Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 7:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
 
There was a plastic model of this car, maybe 40 years ago.  It could have been AHM.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On Jul 21, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Tim,


The steel floor of these cars likely had holes for rods used as tie downs. Some steel floored flat cars had holes that were essentially a larger diameter circle partially superimposed on a smaller circle. The rod with either a bent end or a bolt on the end, could be fitted through the large hole and then slid over into the smaller hole, resulting in the rod being retained by the deck.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith




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Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
 

I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy
steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats
have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck?




On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

A 1946 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.84664.GN/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.

A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

I think the owner of the car would have some frank words to say about extra holes being cut in their property; it has been my experience that disaster follows close behind the guy who picks up a gas torch and starts hacking into structures, and cutting new holes would only be a last resort after every other possible method of securing the load had been tried.  If holes for holding-down bolts are not included as part of the original design, then lugs welded to the steel deck are often used, though usually not without the o.k. of the owner's engineering staff first.

Paul W
Whangarei, NZ


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Tony Thompson
 

Both are correct.  The car more recently in the Bachmann line was offeted by AHM.  Tooling dates back to the Mantua carded blisterpack RTR copies of various Athearn cars. 

   And before that there was essentially the same car as a kit from M. Dale Newton's Red Ball.

Tony Thompson




Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

C J Wyatt
 

Was a kit produced from your patterns? I believe Jim King at SMMW offered a M53/M53A in S scale.

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 09:54:09 PM EDT, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:


Ed here are a series of photos that show patterns and arrangement that I
made for an M 53 in S scale.  I hope they will help to orient the parts
for you.

What is not featured here is a Royal (brake) slack adjuster that appears
midway along the car.  I have some photos of that from the car at the
B&O museum if useful to you.

Chris Rooney

--
J Chris Rooney CFA
Vanness Company

Web: www.VannessCompany.com





Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Ed
 

Perfect. These photos show the positions exactly. Thanks for everyone's help.

Ed Robinson


Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

bigfourroad
 

Ed here are a series of photos that show patterns and arrangement that I made for an M 53 in S scale.  I hope they will help to orient the parts for you.

What is not featured here is a Royal (brake) slack adjuster that appears midway along the car.  I have some photos of that from the car at the B&O museum if useful to you.

Chris Rooney

--
J Chris Rooney CFA
Vanness Company

Web: www.VannessCompany.com


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Charlie Vlk
 

Both are correct.  The car more recently in the Bachmann line was offeted by AHM.  Tooling dates back to the Mantua carded blisterpack RTR copies of various Athearn cars. 
Charlie Vlk

On Jul 21, 2019 8:05 PM, "Drew M. via Groups.Io" <phillydrewcifer@...> wrote:
Athearn offered it.

Drew Marshall in Philly

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

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On Jul 21, 2019, at 20:59, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:
There was a plastic model of this car, maybe 40 years ago.  It could have been AHM.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On Jul 21, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Bruce Smith < smithbf@...> wrote:

Tim,


The steel floor of these cars likely had holes for rods used as tie downs. Some steel floored flat cars had holes that were essentially a larger diameter circle partially superimposed on a smaller circle. The rod with either a bent end or a bolt on the end, could be fitted through the large hole and then slid over into the smaller hole, resulting in the rod being retained by the deck.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
 

I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy
steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats
have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck?




On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

A 1946 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.84664.GN/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.

A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Drew M.
 

Athearn offered it.

Drew Marshall in Philly

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

Sent from TypeApp

On Jul 21, 2019, at 20:59, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:
There was a plastic model of this car, maybe 40 years ago.  It could have been AHM.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On Jul 21, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Bruce Smith < smithbf@...> wrote:

Tim,


The steel floor of these cars likely had holes for rods used as tie downs. Some steel floored flat cars had holes that were essentially a larger diameter circle partially superimposed on a smaller circle. The rod with either a bent end or a bolt on the end, could be fitted through the large hole and then slid over into the smaller hole, resulting in the rod being retained by the deck.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
 

I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy
steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats
have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck?




On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

A 1946 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.84664.GN/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.

A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

gary laakso
 

There was a plastic model of this car, maybe 40 years ago.  It could have been AHM.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On Jul 21, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Tim,


The steel floor of these cars likely had holes for rods used as tie downs. Some steel floored flat cars had holes that were essentially a larger diameter circle partially superimposed on a smaller circle. The rod with either a bent end or a bolt on the end, could be fitted through the large hole and then slid over into the smaller hole, resulting in the rod being retained by the deck.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
 

I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy
steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats
have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck?




On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

A 1946 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.84664.GN/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.

A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

C J Wyatt
 

I am guessing that if the riggers did not find a hole near where they needed one, they just cut one themselves.

Jack wyatt

On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 08:54:47 PM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Tim,


The steel floor of these cars likely had holes for rods used as tie downs. Some steel floored flat cars had holes that were essentially a larger diameter circle partially superimposed on a smaller circle. The rod with either a bent end or a bolt on the end, could be fitted through the large hole and then slid over into the smaller hole, resulting in the rod being retained by the deck.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
 

I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy
steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats
have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck?




On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

A 1946 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.84664.GN/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.

A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Bruce Smith
 

Tim,


The steel floor of these cars likely had holes for rods used as tie downs. Some steel floored flat cars had holes that were essentially a larger diameter circle partially superimposed on a smaller circle. The rod with either a bent end or a bolt on the end, could be fitted through the large hole and then slid over into the smaller hole, resulting in the rod being retained by the deck.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
 

I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy
steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats
have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck?




On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

A 1946 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.84664.GN/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.

A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Bruce Smith
 

The short flat car behind it is pretty cool too!  The gondola is a class GRA.

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 2:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661
 

Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

A 1941 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: View of 40-foot gondola car #384661, built circa 1912. This car originally belonged to the Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

Bruce Smith
 

And then there is the question of the color of the door on this car! 😉  We've discussed this in the past, and I'm still voting for black.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞
 
Tim, Protocraft does have a buy war bonds set as well.
https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=417&Categoryid=20&This_Sub_Sub_Category=CEI
www.protocraft.com
In January of 1937, the C&EI took delivery of 500 1937 AAR box cars built by General American Transportion Corporation. Assigned road numbers were 64000-64499.



That's an interesting photo. I note Yarmouth's kit of the 1949 built ACF car has no lettering to the right of the door. But this photo also has none in 1957, although a 1953 photo on Protocraft does have it, as does the photo on Black Cats site. A guess: they received lettering to the right as a repaint, perhaps the doors turned red at that time too. Somehow, some never got that lettering, some got the war bonds slogan, and the war bonds slogan was removed too. 

Brian's point about stencils varying through the years, even for ostensibly the same scheme, is valid. The E, for example.

Protocraft lists a different scheme as the 1961 scheme, for those modeling a later time.





Brake Levers

Lester Breuer
 

I have added a new post on model brake levers on my blog that shows how I make my own brake levers from Evergreen strip styrene.  In addition, it provides prototype information and information on the commercial brake  levers I like to use when doing underbody work.  If you are interested in viewing photos and writeup of various installed brake levers, you can on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Ed
 

Tim,
You are correct in that there is a lot of info about the M53 and Duryea underframes. Unfortunately, there is only 1 photo that seems to show the long braces and nothing that indicates how/where the short braces mount. Perhaps I just missed it but I was hopeful that someone on this list would be able to shed some light on the specifics regarding location of the braces.

Ed Robinson


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Tim O'Connor
 


sublettered for WNY&P but always painted PENNSYLVANIA

I like that tiny P&LE flat car in the background! any better photos of those?



On 7/21/2019 3:56 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

A 1941 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: View of 40-foot gondola car #384661, built circa 1912. This car originally belonged to the Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Tim O'Connor
 


I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy
steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats
have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck?




On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

A 1946 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.84664.GN/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.

A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Terry Link
 

I don't believe it's a browser/OS problem. For some reason - there is a
'dot' missing in the links

If you click on the link in the email:
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/

It is trying to take you to
https://harley-trains.smugmugcom/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/

Note the missing '.' in front of com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/

So in your browser - simply insert the '.' in front of the
com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/ and you should be able to view
the page.


Terry Link

-----Original Message-----
From: James SANDIFER

I can???t make either of these links open. Any suggestions?

J. Stephen Sandifer


Dick Harley produced this presentation on Union Pacific painting and
lettering schemes covering 1940 to 1975:

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/

The presentation is part of this UP Freight Car Painting & Lettering
information:

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA