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Re: Survivor CN long double deck auto carrier in California

James Lackner
 

Auto-Train added couplas (caboose end and furnishings) to the end of
two (?) of the auto racks. I've been told that it was a failed
experiment, as the slack action was too hard on the crew.

So instead, they got some ex-FEC cabooses that had started out as
steam era 40' boxcars.

Jim Lackner

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 9:20 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Ian, and others-

The movie train, the Fillmore & Western Railroad, has one of these long ex-Canadian double deck enclosed auto cars. Before the F&W purchased this car, someone put a ersatz caboose cupola on top and painted "LIONEL" in large block letters. It is in storage most of the time East of the main facility in the name town. I checked and I seam to have not taken a picture.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 8:04:05 PM PDT, Ian Cranstone <lamontc@...> wrote:


When built, these special cars were seen as replacements for the old-style automobile cars, which were much more cumbersome to load and unload. CN had 25 75 foot cars built in late 1956 (CN 570400-570424), and 50 more followed in early 1959 (CN 570425-570474), along with 75 56 foot cars (CN 570700-570774). In the late 1950s and into the early 1960s, these cars were used extensively by CN to deliver newly built cars, and were clearly marked “not to be interchanged off of CN lines in Canada". When the industry opted for auto racks instead, CN then acquired a large fleet of bilevel and trilevel racks between 1962 and 1965, which rendered these unique bilevel automobile cars surplus — it would appear that they did not mix well with the newer autoracks, but likely worked in blocks in service to specific points only. For example, an aerial photo of Winnipeg’s East Yard taken in 1968 shows several of the 56 foot cars at an unloading ramp.

As part of the 1960s CN renumbering, the 75 foot cars were renumbered to CN 730000-730073 and the shorter cars to CN 720000-720069, with some subsequently renumbered 720100-720139 in 1974-75.

During the 1960s, CN experimented with a number of other uses for these cars: one was converted to a bilevel stock car in 1965 (CN 179000, later CN 820000), and some of the 56 foot cars found themselves in a dedicated Oshawa, Ontario to Newfoundland narrow gauge service in 1971 (as CN 15501-15509). The following year, these dedicated cars were repainted in the famous cutaway auto logo and assigned to Auto-With-You service (CN 9500-9507), in which passengers could have their automobiles travel with them on the same train. There was an earlier version called Car-Go-Rail, in which the car would move by fast freight to be delivered after the passenger train’s arrival. A number of these 56 foot cars (including the stock car conversion) were later converted in 1975 for auto rack service in Newfoundland narrow gauge service (CN 18020-18034), and were heavily modified with the complete removal of sides and roof above the upper deck, and large holes cut in the sides of the lower deck. A few surviving 56 foot cars were converted to OCS service in 1987, at least one with large roll up doors cut into their sides (CN 72026 was the former CN 9503, still lettered with the cutaway auto scheme), and some may remain on the roster today.

When Auto Train began operation, the longer 74 foot cars were first leased, and subsequently sold to Auto Train – I suspect the date of sale was in 1973, as CN continued to list them in the ORER up until that point. Only 5 of these longer cars were retained by CN.

CN modellers in HO scale have been spoiled over the years: Walthers released the 1956 version some years ago, Bachmann did the 1959 version many years ago as part of their Auto Train set (albeit cruder and with hand brake recesses on both sides of the car) – and did release a CN version, but with the Auto-With-You cutaway paint that was only applied to the shorter cars (Stafford Swain upgraded one of these cars which was featured in a RMC Protofile feature back in the early 1980s); and Sylvan did the shorter 56 foot car in resin. Unfortunately, none of these models is currently available.

Ian Cranstone

Osgoode, Ontario, Canada

lamontc@...

http://freightcars.nakina.net


On May 29, 2019, at 10:09 PM, Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor> wrote:


"Auto train" is the correct analogy. They were not "freight cars" per se - not even listed in the ORER.

If you wanted to stage a publicity photo, would you try to find a beat up automobile to entice customers,
or show that a new automobile emerges unscathed from its trip?

Tim O'



On 5/29/2019 9:52 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io wrote:

The Model Railroader article did not relate just how the CN used these cars. However, I always believed that they were used in much the way AutoTrain did. That is, passengers on their long haul trains brought along their personal autos. My wife's family likely used this service when they moved back east from Vancouver, BC in the mid-1960s as they brought home their car after a one-year assignment there. My October 1958 ORER shows these cars not in interchange. Perhaps one or more of those in the frozen north can comment.

However, that is clearly a NEW 1957 Chevy in that publicity photo. There were only 25 cars in the fleet so they could have been used for delivering new cars in some limited or perhaps burgeoning new service offering.

Regards---Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 9:19:17 PM EDT, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Question: Why a Canadian car? Were some cars built in Canada as early as 1957 or was there some sort of "car pool" in operation.

Bob Witt
Survivor CN long double deck auto carrier in California

Andy Carlson
 

Ian, and others-

The movie train, the Fillmore & Western Railroad, has one of these long ex-Canadian double deck enclosed auto cars. Before the F&W purchased this car, someone put a ersatz caboose cupola on top and painted "LIONEL" in large block letters. It is in storage most of the time East of the main facility in the name town. I checked and I seam to have not taken a picture.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 8:04:05 PM PDT, Ian Cranstone <lamontc@...> wrote:


When built, these special cars were seen as replacements for the old-style automobile cars, which were much more cumbersome to load and unload. CN had 25 75 foot cars built in late 1956 (CN 570400-570424), and 50 more followed in early 1959 (CN 570425-570474), along with 75 56 foot cars (CN 570700-570774). In the late 1950s and into the early 1960s, these cars were used extensively by CN to deliver newly built cars, and were clearly marked “not to be interchanged off of CN lines in Canada". When the industry opted for auto racks instead, CN then acquired a large fleet of bilevel and trilevel racks between 1962 and 1965, which rendered these unique bilevel automobile cars surplus — it would appear that they did not mix well with the newer autoracks, but likely worked in blocks in service to specific points only. For example, an aerial photo of Winnipeg’s East Yard taken in 1968 shows several of the 56 foot cars at an unloading ramp.

As part of the 1960s CN renumbering, the 75 foot cars were renumbered to CN 730000-730073 and the shorter cars to CN 720000-720069, with some subsequently renumbered 720100-720139 in 1974-75.

During the 1960s, CN experimented with a number of other uses for these cars: one was converted to a bilevel stock car in 1965 (CN 179000, later CN 820000), and some of the 56 foot cars found themselves in a dedicated Oshawa, Ontario to Newfoundland narrow gauge service in 1971 (as CN 15501-15509). The following year, these dedicated cars were repainted in the famous cutaway auto logo and assigned to Auto-With-You service (CN 9500-9507), in which passengers could have their automobiles travel with them on the same train. There was an earlier version called Car-Go-Rail, in which the car would move by fast freight to be delivered after the passenger train’s arrival.  A number of these 56 foot cars (including the stock car conversion) were later converted in 1975 for auto rack service in Newfoundland narrow gauge service (CN 18020-18034), and were heavily modified with the complete removal of sides and roof above the upper deck, and large holes cut in the sides of the lower deck. A few surviving 56 foot cars were converted to OCS service in 1987, at least one with large roll up doors cut into their sides (CN 72026 was the former CN 9503, still lettered with the cutaway auto scheme), and some may remain on the roster today.

When Auto Train began operation, the longer 74 foot cars were first leased, and subsequently sold to Auto Train – I suspect the date of sale was in 1973, as CN continued to list them in the ORER up until that point. Only 5 of these longer cars were retained by CN.

CN modellers in HO scale have been spoiled over the years: Walthers released the 1956 version some years ago, Bachmann did the 1959 version many years ago as part of their Auto Train set (albeit cruder and with hand brake recesses on both sides of the car) – and did release a CN version, but with the Auto-With-You cutaway paint that was only applied to the shorter cars (Stafford Swain upgraded one of these cars which was featured in a RMC Protofile feature back in the early 1980s); and Sylvan did the shorter 56 foot car in resin. Unfortunately, none of these models is currently available.

Ian Cranstone

Osgoode, Ontario, Canada

lamontc@...

http://freightcars.nakina.net


On May 29, 2019, at 10:09 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


"Auto train" is the correct analogy. They were not "freight cars" per se - not even listed in the ORER.

If you wanted to stage a publicity photo, would you try to find a beat up automobile to entice customers,
or show that a new automobile emerges unscathed from its trip?

Tim O'



On 5/29/2019 9:52 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io wrote:
The Model Railroader article did not relate just how the CN used these cars.  However, I always believed that they were used in much the way AutoTrain did.  That is, passengers on their long haul trains brought along their personal autos.  My wife's family likely used this service when they moved back east from Vancouver, BC in the mid-1960s as they brought home their car after a one-year assignment there.  My October 1958 ORER shows these cars not in interchange.  Perhaps one or more of those in the frozen north can comment.

However, that is clearly a NEW 1957 Chevy in that publicity photo.  There were only 25 cars in the fleet so they could have been used for delivering new cars in some limited or perhaps burgeoning new service offering.

Regards---Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 9:19:17 PM EDT, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:


Question: Why a Canadian car? Were some cars built in Canada as early as 1957 or was there some sort of "car pool" in operation.

Bob Witt
Re: Photo: Delivering A 1957 Chevy

Ian Cranstone
 

When built, these special cars were seen as replacements for the old-style automobile cars, which were much more cumbersome to load and unload. CN had 25 75 foot cars built in late 1956 (CN 570400-570424), and 50 more followed in early 1959 (CN 570425-570474), along with 75 56 foot cars (CN 570700-570774). In the late 1950s and into the early 1960s, these cars were used extensively by CN to deliver newly built cars, and were clearly marked “not to be interchanged off of CN lines in Canada". When the industry opted for auto racks instead, CN then acquired a large fleet of bilevel and trilevel racks between 1962 and 1965, which rendered these unique bilevel automobile cars surplus — it would appear that they did not mix well with the newer autoracks, but likely worked in blocks in service to specific points only. For example, an aerial photo of Winnipeg’s East Yard taken in 1968 shows several of the 56 foot cars at an unloading ramp.

As part of the 1960s CN renumbering, the 75 foot cars were renumbered to CN 730000-730073 and the shorter cars to CN 720000-720069, with some subsequently renumbered 720100-720139 in 1974-75.

During the 1960s, CN experimented with a number of other uses for these cars: one was converted to a bilevel stock car in 1965 (CN 179000, later CN 820000), and some of the 56 foot cars found themselves in a dedicated Oshawa, Ontario to Newfoundland narrow gauge service in 1971 (as CN 15501-15509). The following year, these dedicated cars were repainted in the famous cutaway auto logo and assigned to Auto-With-You service (CN 9500-9507), in which passengers could have their automobiles travel with them on the same train. There was an earlier version called Car-Go-Rail, in which the car would move by fast freight to be delivered after the passenger train’s arrival.  A number of these 56 foot cars (including the stock car conversion) were later converted in 1975 for auto rack service in Newfoundland narrow gauge service (CN 18020-18034), and were heavily modified with the complete removal of sides and roof above the upper deck, and large holes cut in the sides of the lower deck. A few surviving 56 foot cars were converted to OCS service in 1987, at least one with large roll up doors cut into their sides (CN 72026 was the former CN 9503, still lettered with the cutaway auto scheme), and some may remain on the roster today.

When Auto Train began operation, the longer 74 foot cars were first leased, and subsequently sold to Auto Train – I suspect the date of sale was in 1973, as CN continued to list them in the ORER up until that point. Only 5 of these longer cars were retained by CN.

CN modellers in HO scale have been spoiled over the years: Walthers released the 1956 version some years ago, Bachmann did the 1959 version many years ago as part of their Auto Train set (albeit cruder and with hand brake recesses on both sides of the car) – and did release a CN version, but with the Auto-With-You cutaway paint that was only applied to the shorter cars (Stafford Swain upgraded one of these cars which was featured in a RMC Protofile feature back in the early 1980s); and Sylvan did the shorter 56 foot car in resin. Unfortunately, none of these models is currently available.

Ian Cranstone

Osgoode, Ontario, Canada

lamontc@...

http://freightcars.nakina.net


On May 29, 2019, at 10:09 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


"Auto train" is the correct analogy. They were not "freight cars" per se - not even listed in the ORER.

If you wanted to stage a publicity photo, would you try to find a beat up automobile to entice customers,
or show that a new automobile emerges unscathed from its trip?

Tim O'



On 5/29/2019 9:52 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io wrote:
The Model Railroader article did not relate just how the CN used these cars.  However, I always believed that they were used in much the way AutoTrain did.  That is, passengers on their long haul trains brought along their personal autos.  My wife's family likely used this service when they moved back east from Vancouver, BC in the mid-1960s as they brought home their car after a one-year assignment there.  My October 1958 ORER shows these cars not in interchange.  Perhaps one or more of those in the frozen north can comment.

However, that is clearly a NEW 1957 Chevy in that publicity photo.  There were only 25 cars in the fleet so they could have been used for delivering new cars in some limited or perhaps burgeoning new service offering.

Regards---Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 9:19:17 PM EDT, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:


Question: Why a Canadian car? Were some cars built in Canada as early as 1957 or was there some sort of "car pool" in operation.

Bob Witt
Re: Photo: Delivering A 1957 Chevy

Jon Miller
 

On 5/29/2019 7:22 PM, Jim Hayes wrote:
That is most likely a new American Chevy being unloaded for sale in Canada

    While it was a long time ago I seems to remember don't buy a *** (GM) car in Canada because in the US they were only V8s but the Canadian ones had sixes in them.  What was made where I don't remember but thought Canadian GM cars had different trim!

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Re: Photo: Delivering A 1957 Chevy

Jim Hayes
 

That is most likely a new American Chevy being unloaded for sale in Canada. New cars were shipped with their hub caps/wheel covers in the trunk to avoid theft. If it was an Auto Train type publicity photo it certainly would have had wheel covers on it.

JimH
Re: Wanting to buy!

Allan Smith
 

I have three IMWX undec boxcars UNBR03 Square Corner I will sell for $12.00 each plus $8.00 shipping, total $44.00 if interested.

Al Smith
Sonora CA
Smithal9@...

On ‎Friday‎, ‎May‎ ‎24‎, ‎2019‎ ‎12‎:‎18‎:‎23‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PDT, pennsylvania1954 <stevehprr@...> wrote:


Pierre--Red Caboose ATSF but it is a kit. Currently on Ebay, 303156857803.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

Re: Photo: Delivering A 1957 Chevy

Tim O'Connor
 


"Auto train" is the correct analogy. They were not "freight cars" per se - not even listed in the ORER.

If you wanted to stage a publicity photo, would you try to find a beat up automobile to entice customers,
or show that a new automobile emerges unscathed from its trip?

Tim O'



On 5/29/2019 9:52 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io wrote:
The Model Railroader article did not relate just how the CN used these cars.  However, I always believed that they were used in much the way AutoTrain did.  That is, passengers on their long haul trains brought along their personal autos.  My wife's family likely used this service when they moved back east from Vancouver, BC in the mid-1960s as they brought home their car after a one-year assignment there.  My October 1958 ORER shows these cars not in interchange.  Perhaps one or more of those in the frozen north can comment.

However, that is clearly a NEW 1957 Chevy in that publicity photo.  There were only 25 cars in the fleet so they could have been used for delivering new cars in some limited or perhaps burgeoning new service offering.

Regards---Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 9:19:17 PM EDT, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:


Question: Why a Canadian car? Were some cars built in Canada as early as 1957 or was there some sort of "car pool" in operation.

Bob Witt


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Photo: Delivering A 1957 Chevy

Schleigh Mike
 

The Model Railroader article did not relate just how the CN used these cars.  However, I always believed that they were used in much the way AutoTrain did.  That is, passengers on their long haul trains brought along their personal autos.  My wife's family likely used this service when they moved back east from Vancouver, BC in the mid-1960s as they brought home their car after a one-year assignment there.  My October 1958 ORER shows these cars not in interchange.  Perhaps one or more of those in the frozen north can comment.

However, that is clearly a NEW 1957 Chevy in that publicity photo.  There were only 25 cars in the fleet so they could have been used for delivering new cars in some limited or perhaps burgeoning new service offering.

Regards---Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 9:19:17 PM EDT, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:


Question: Why a Canadian car? Were some cars built in Canada as early as 1957 or was there some sort of "car pool" in operation.

Bob Witt

Re: Photo: Delivering A 1957 Chevy

rwitt_2000
 

Question: Why a Canadian car? Were some cars built in Canada as early as 1957 or was there some sort of "car pool" in operation.

Bob Witt
Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Eric Hansmann
 

This might be the other photo in question. The Lackawanna boxcar is off to the right distance beside the locomotive. The brick storehouse is adjacent. I like the high walkway PTX tank car.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo/erielack-05-26-19/X6994.jpg



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On May 29, 2019 at 4:07 PM Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
Actually, there is at least one other photo of a completely different scene
I don't know what photo you think is different, but it appears that all photos in this set are views of the same group of buildings, in back of the roundhouse. Identifiable buildings appear in multiple pictures.
Jack Mullen
Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Jack Mullen
 

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
Actually, there is at least one other photo of a completely different scene
I don't know what photo you think is different, but it appears that all photos in this set are views of the same group of buildings, in back of the roundhouse. Identifiable buildings appear in multiple pictures.
Jack Mullen
Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:15 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
From a second look I think you are right about only two truss rods on the DL&W boxcar,
I disagree, I think iy is a four truss rod car, and we can only see the near side rods. The inner rods are quite close to the center sills, as evidenced by the placement of their terminating nuts on the striker casting, and therefore are quite far from the outer rods. If uou look carefully under the car you can see the brake cylinder on the near side of the center sills, and the queenpost on the inner truss rod is quite close behind the brake rod that that runs to the lever on the near end of the brake cylinder. We can only see halfway under the car.

I also don't think the car has a steel centersill. If the car had been improved with steel sills, they would have included the draft sills, indeed one common improvement before the advent of steel center sills was steel replacement draft sills, as the draft sills tended to be the weakest part of the underframe. The construction visible at the end of the car still clearly has wood sills; the ends show, bolted below that cast striker, with the drawbar carry iron bolted to the bottom of the sills.

That end is a proprietary item, shown in the 1922 CBC. Given that there is no initials above the number, I bet the CBC illustration of of a DL&W car.


Dennis Storzek
Re: WAG CARS [WAS GATC Type 17]

Schleigh Mike
 

B&O O-41 No. 350370 is restored at the West Virginia Railroad Museum at Elkins.  Work was completed about 9.5 years ago.

Regards----Mike Schleigh at Grove City, Penna.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 2:36:34 PM EDT, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


Do you happen to know which railroad museum in WVA it is?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
Re: WAG CARS [WAS GATC Type 17]

Richard Townsend
 

Do you happen to know which railroad museum in WVA it is?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
Re: WAG CARS [WAS GATC Type 17]

Schleigh Mike
 

O-41 gondolas B&O series 350000-350999 were built in the period 1931 to 1935.  I do not know the builder(s) but that is surely available from the usual sources.  One car exists, restored, in a museum down in West Virginia.  It is a model the hobby has not seen.

Mike Schleigh  Grove City, Penna.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 2:01:26 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Any ideas of who built the 3202? The series 3200-3206 cars had 12 ribs, and 50-6 interior length.

Tim O'Connor





Friends,

I can't say when tank cars 200-202 came to the WAG, but they are listed in my 1958 ORER.  The WAG began operations in either 1954 or 1956 (confusingly Wikipedia offers both dates), so this is a pretty tight window for us.

A single 52' mill gondola is listed as 3000, a 140,000 lb car at 1745 cu ft and with an overall length of 55' 7" (Duryea underframe), which matches two series of ex-B&O cars (259000-260449, previously covered by Tangent, and 260500-263229, their current offering). Henry Maywald's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS V. 6 has a photo of 3005 on page 48, which gives a build date of 1937. The new Tangent cars are very nice, but in WAG lettering are apparently too late for our period of interest without a number change to 3000. Also listed is 3100, a 100,000 lb 50' car at 1523 cu ft with a more common overall length of 52' 7'.

Also present are "steel underframe" boxcars 4100-4103, followed 5001-5074 marked as a new addition in my book.

Here is my one souvenir of the WAG, a car I shot in Roseville around 1968. The 60XX series is not shown in my ORER.


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff

Partial shot of WAG 200
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RR-Print-Wellsville-Addison-amp-Galeton-WAG-5009-at-Galeton-Pa-6-4-1960-/123759474555?hash=item1cd0a3b77b%3Ag%3AFPQAAOSw94hc0aWp&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Dave Parker
 

If I were at home, I could look at my December, 1935, ORER and tell you which of the DL&W truss-rod shorties survived the 1934 purge of WUF cars.  For example, none of the B&M cars survived, but some roads did invest in UF reinforcements to extend car life.

I think consulting a later Register, say 1945 or so, yields an ambiguous answer, as shorties in general were scrapped in such large numbers in and around the WWII years.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA
Re: WAG CARS [WAS GATC Type 17]

Tim O'Connor
 


Any ideas of who built the 3202? The series 3200-3206 cars had 12 ribs, and 50-6 interior length.

Tim O'Connor





Friends,

I can't say when tank cars 200-202 came to the WAG, but they are listed in my 1958 ORER.  The WAG began operations in either 1954 or 1956 (confusingly Wikipedia offers both dates), so this is a pretty tight window for us.

A single 52' mill gondola is listed as 3000, a 140,000 lb car at 1745 cu ft and with an overall length of 55' 7" (Duryea underframe), which matches two series of ex-B&O cars (259000-260449, previously covered by Tangent, and 260500-263229, their current offering). Henry Maywald's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS V. 6 has a photo of 3005 on page 48, which gives a build date of 1937. The new Tangent cars are very nice, but in WAG lettering are apparently too late for our period of interest without a number change to 3000. Also listed is 3100, a 100,000 lb 50' car at 1523 cu ft with a more common overall length of 52' 7'.

Also present are "steel underframe" boxcars 4100-4103, followed 5001-5074 marked as a new addition in my book.

Here is my one souvenir of the WAG, a car I shot in Roseville around 1968. The 60XX series is not shown in my ORER.


Yours Aye,

Garth Groff

Partial shot of WAG 200
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RR-Print-Wellsville-Addison-amp-Galeton-WAG-5009-at-Galeton-Pa-6-4-1960-/123759474555?hash=item1cd0a3b77b%3Ag%3AFPQAAOSw94hc0aWp&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: GATC Type 17

Tim O'Connor
 

The 5009 later received full lettering, wiping out the B&M's lettering.

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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*
Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Donald B. Valentine
 

     From a second look I think you are right about only two truss rods on the DL&W boxcar, Eric.
Your version of the photo shows the underbody details a bit better and tells me that part of what I
Thought earlier was the continuation of the board "locking" the turnbuckles in place was actually the
closer part of the further truss rod after the board has passed through it's turnbuckle. But you suggest
the possibility of the car not having a steel underframe. If that is the case could it be that two more rods
of the same size were simply run the length of the car just to hold it together longitudaly? Look at the
casting that forms the upper part of the coupler pocket, please. The two nuts at its outer extremities
appear to be the same size as those on the truss rod ends. What else could they be doing if not holding
the entire length of the car together? A neat car, anyway you view it!

Cordially, Don Valentine
Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Tim O'Connor
 


The dock to the RIGHT in the photo is clearly a ramp going off to the right - you can see the
horizontal floor lines do not line up. The area in front of the car is slightly sloped rather than flat.
A slope is a easier for loading cars and it also sheds spilled liquids and water onto the tracks.

Tim O'


On 5/28/2019 7:08 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

I noticed the loading dock in this photo (which does feature a freight car) has a pronounced slant:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-26-19/X6991.jpg

This is the first slanted loading dock I've seen. Is such a design highly unusual or just not so common?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts