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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Steve and Barb Hile
 

They are part of the Duryea underframe.  The body of the car and trucks can move along the center sill.  The Duryea design evolved over time and these pieces changed shape a bit.  But the longer one goes toward the center of the car and the shorter one towards the couple.  Here is a snip from a drawing in the 1940 CBC
 
 
And this snip is one of Duryea underframes (not for the B&O wagon tops, but similar).
 
 
Hope this helps.
 
Steve Hile
 
 



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ed
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 1:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] B&O Wagontop Boxcar

I have asked this question on another group but no one seemed to have an answer. I hope someone on this group can help.

I am building a F&C wagontop boxcar for the B&O and I cannot figure out how certain items on the underframe are arranged. Specifically, I am referring to the long and short triangular bolster braces.  Where do these mount on the underframe and to what purpose do they serve?

Ed Robinson


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Jon Miller
 

On 7/21/2019 2:33 PM, Tom Larsen wrote:
It appears that your problem could be a personal setting in your browser or that you haven't updated your operating system and/or browser to a current version, thus creating some sort of conflict.

Win10 with auto update.  IE 11 ver 11.615.17763.0 (this is auto update I think.  I can't remember the wording but suspect it's a IE problem.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Tom Larsen
 

Jon Miller wrote about HTTPS links from Bob Chaparro:
>Someone told me that one can't get to these (and other) pages because they are https:
>However I can get to other https: pages. It appears to be random. This is with Win10.
******
Using Windows 10 and Google Chrome as my standard browser I have no problem clicking on the links. They open the destination without problems.
Copying the link and pasting it into Microsoft Edge opens the page without problems also.
It appears that your problem could be a personal setting in your browser or that you haven't updated your operating system and/or browser to a current version, thus creating some sort of conflict.

For a quick and not to technical explanation on the differences of HTTP and HTTPS take a look here:
https://love2dev.com/blog/how-https-works/

HTTPS is not a limitation to the accessability of WEB pages.
HTTPS adds a secure layer to the HTTP communication, any up-to-date browser/OS combination should open a valid page with no problem.

Clinging to your older OS system is asking for trouble, as it won't be updated when new security threats occur and not everyone you come accross on the internet plays nice these days.

Hope you get to use the links, the information is quite interesting and will bring you back to Steam Era Freight Cars, as we should be concentration on.

Kind regards

Tom Larsen
Holte, Denmark


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Probably correct that this load is some part of the base or frame of the machine.

A cyclotron consists mainly of two “D” shaped vacuum chambers surrounded by a big magnet and some RF coils. The two vacuum chambers are arranged flat-face to flat face forming a cylindrical chamber divided into two segments. A beam of electrons circulates inside this chamber, constrained in circular flight by the external magnetic field, and shuttling between the two chambers. The RF alternates the polarity the two “D” chambers, causing the electrons in the rotating beam to be attracted to one, and repelled by the other. Timing the RF polarity-swaps properly causes the electrons to accelerate.

Early cyclotrons were mostly about the size of a garden shed. Later were the size of a house. A big improvement came with the development of superconducting magnets allowing stronger magnetic fields. Modern “atom smashers” are vastly larger, but work mostly the same way, though they are now so big the magnet has to be split into segments and distributed around the ring. The largest in the USA is the “Tevatron” at Fermilab west of Chicago. The world's largest currently is the LHC at CERN in Europe.  Its “ring” is almost 17 miles around, and there are 1232 superconducting magnets to constrain the beam. It’s the largest single machine on Earth.

Dan Mitchell
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On Jul 21, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
A 1946 photo:
Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.
A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron
I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

A 1941 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: View of 40-foot gondola car #384661, built circa 1912. This car originally belonged to the Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

A 1946 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.84664.GN/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.

A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Joseph
 

Ed,
That is part of the Duryea cushion underframe.  The short ones go on either side of the draft gear.  The long ones are to go next to the underframe. The taller end goes against the bolster
I think the RPC issue on these has a photo or drawing

Don’t know which issue as I am at sons soccer training, enjoying the not90+ weather
Joe Binish
New Hope MN

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:47 PM Ed <lehighman@...> wrote:
I have asked this question on another group but no one seemed to have an answer. I hope someone on this group can help.

I am building a F&C wagontop boxcar for the B&O and I cannot figure out how certain items on the underframe are arranged. Specifically, I am referring to the long and short triangular bolster braces.  Where do these mount on the underframe and to what purpose do they serve?

Ed Robinson


Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed

The SEARCH function on the RealSTMFC (groups.io) is quite good.

It sounds like you're looking at parts for the DURYEA underframe.

Search on "M-53" and "Duryea" (etc)

For years people suggested we compile everything we know about freight cars into
a Wiki page etc etc - but the archive is right here! Over 160,000 posts about steam
era freight cars. And a few dozen warnings from the sheriff.

Tim O'Connor

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On 7/21/2019 2:47 PM, Ed wrote:
I have asked this question on another group but no one seemed to have an answer. I hope someone on this group can help.

I am building a F&C wagontop boxcar for the B&O and I cannot figure out how certain items on the underframe are arranged. Specifically, I am referring to the long and short triangular bolster braces.  Where do these mount on the underframe and to what purpose do they serve?

Ed Robinson

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Ed
 

I have asked this question on another group but no one seemed to have an answer. I hope someone on this group can help.

I am building a F&C wagontop boxcar for the B&O and I cannot figure out how certain items on the underframe are arranged. Specifically, I am referring to the long and short triangular bolster braces.  Where do these mount on the underframe and to what purpose do they serve?

Ed Robinson


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

steve_wintner
 

Tim, Protocraft does have a buy war bonds set as well.
https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=417&Categoryid=20&This_Sub_Sub_Category=CEI

That's an interesting photo. I note Yarmouth's kit of the 1949 built ACF car has no lettering to the right of the door. But this photo also has none in 1957, although a 1953 photo on Protocraft does have it, as does the photo on Black Cats site. A guess: they received lettering to the right as a repaint, perhaps the doors turned red at that time too. Somehow, some never got that lettering, some got the war bonds slogan, and the war bonds slogan was removed too. 

Brian's point about stencils varying through the years, even for ostensibly the same scheme, is valid. The E, for example.

Protocraft lists a different scheme as the 1961 scheme, for those modeling a later time.





Photo: PRR Gondola 367784

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Gondola 367784

A 1913 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.133520.CP/from_search/b65d5c930eed563791932f22205f544d-193

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: A view of the Thirty-third Street relief sewer explosion that occurred on August 10, 1913 at McCreery & Company Furniture Warehouse.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Various Early 1900 Boxcars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Various Early 1900 Boxcars

A 1906 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.336.RR/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit but will require photo editing to enhance detail.

Description: View of Pennsylvania Union Line train carts, warehouse and bridge for Consolidated Lamp and Glass Company.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Southern Auto/Furniture Boxcar 311006

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Southern Auto/Furniture Boxcar 311006

A 1938 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3841794.CP/from_search/b65d5c930eed563791932f22205f544d-117

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: South 20th Street sewer at the Pittsburgh and Lake Erie Railroad between Levinson Steel Company and the Monongahela River.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


General American Tank Car Journeys: Where Industrial Liquids Come From and Where They Go

C J Wyatt
 

Many of you know the subject as a very interesting book published in 1931. I was scanning Abebooks and came across this very interesting, but pricey copy (personal volume of Max Epstein):

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=22693463031&searchurl=sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dtank%2Bcar%2Bjourneys&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title21

If someone is interested in just a regular copy, another dealer is offering one for $60.

Jack Wyatt


Re: Viking roof color question

william darnaby
 

One of the Morning Sun NKP steam color books...Vol 3 I think...has a color roof shot.  The photo is really of the dead steamers taken from the roof of one of these cars on the dead line so it has to be about 1960.  Anyway, FWIW, the roof is rusted galvanized by that point in time.

Bill Darnaby


On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 06:34:12 PM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



There's a builder photo of NKP 87100, reprinted in the 1943 Car Builder Cyc.
Maybe someone has the negative and or a hi-res scan? The photo sure makes the
end and roof look black.

I think some later NKP box cars had galvanized roofs with enameled seam caps




On 7/20/2019 1:52 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:

I bought this assembled and detailed P2K model on eBay five or more years ago and set it aside. (The price was attractive.) It's very well done with lots of extra detail and what I'm almost certain is one of my 50' resin replacement Viking roofs. But the roof is painted silver, and I thought those NKP cars had black roofs. Was there a silver variation?

Tom Madden

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail H31a red

Bruce Smith
 

Lloyd,


Well... there are a lot of issues here.


1) Why match the Accurail color?

2) Accurail and other companies usually do not use commercially available model paints, so there are no "matches" - if you are asking what paint they used. You usually need to custom mix paints to match commercial paints.

3) What era are you modeling? FCC changed over the years and it matters.

4) The initial run(s) of Red Caboose X29s had what is generally acknowledged to be one of the best renditions of early (1930's-40's) FCC. That's the color I would try to match 😉 but then, I model 1944.


Regards,

Bruce




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 3:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail H31a red
 
Hi Lloyd,
 
I have no idea what Accurail did color wise, but where PRR “freight car color” of FCC is concerned, the hue varied over time, so the color you need depends very much on the era you are modeling.  Generally, the earlier the era the redder, and the later eras migrate toward brownish.  Bruce can give a far more definitive answer.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 1:33 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Accurail H31a red
 
Hey Guys, I hate to bring this up so will stick with just this car.  But what is the matching paint for the Accurail H31a composite hopper? I have two other X-29's and all three cars are a different shade of "oxide red."


Re: does anyone collect unbuilt WestRail kits (or maybe even still builds them)?

C J Wyatt
 

Thanks Tony. I really don't need a list. I was just curious if there was one out there, I certainly wouldn't want to cause someone to spend time compiling a list. Earlier today, I was looking over a couple of WestRail kits which I have. Looks like it probably is worthwhile to go back and read over the large amount of prototype information which Richard included. It was quite amazing the amount of stuff that Richard and his wife could pack into an Athearn box. I have never been able to put everything back into the box well enough that I can get the box top to fit right.

Jack Wyatt

On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 10:23:03 PM EDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Jack Wyatt wrote:

I suspect that some WestRail kits are out there which the purchaser never got around to building. Are any of the kits considered collector's items because of the historical significance of Richard Hendrickson and his wife's company advancing the knowledge of details in freight car modeling. Has anyone compiled a complete list of the company's production and do any kits in the line still fill a need which has yet to be covered?

     Jack, I have originals of all of Richard's kit directions, and can infer what was produced, but am not sure what all decals he may have put into kits so as to make the range of prototypes he wanted. I also have a kit or two in my stash.
     I am not sure exactly what kind of "list" you would like. Can you be more specific?

Tony Thompson




Re: does anyone collect unbuilt WestRail kits (or maybe even still builds them)?

Tony Thompson
 

Jack Wyatt wrote:

I suspect that some WestRail kits are out there which the purchaser never got around to building. Are any of the kits considered collector's items because of the historical significance of Richard Hendrickson and his wife's company advancing the knowledge of details in freight car modeling. Has anyone compiled a complete list of the company's production and do any kits in the line still fill a need which has yet to be covered?

     Jack, I have originals of all of Richard's kit directions, and can infer what was produced, but am not sure what all decals he may have put into kits so as to make the range of prototypes he wanted. I also have a kit or two in my stash.
     I am not sure exactly what kind of "list" you would like. Can you be more specific?

Tony Thompson




Re: Viking roof color question

Brian Carlson
 

When these cars were built the standard was the roofs and ends would be black. The roofwalk may have been unpainted or black, not totally sure.  The builders photo clearly show the black ends and I believe the roof is also back when I look at the tif version I have. Can’t send it as it is a 26 MB file and cannot .The lighting of the photo might infer the roof is unpainted galvanized but that’s not correct. I have a car to change the roof on myself. I bought the roof from Stan R, not sure if that was your roof Tom.

 

In the 60’s some of these cars ended up on the D&TS.

 

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 7:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Viking roof color question

 


There's a builder photo of NKP 87100, reprinted in the 1943 Car Builder Cyc.
Maybe someone has the negative and or a hi-res scan? The photo sure makes the
end and roof look black.

I think some later NKP box cars had galvanized roofs with enameled seam caps




On 7/20/2019 1:52 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:

I bought this assembled and detailed P2K model on eBay five or more years ago and set it aside. (The price was attractive.) It's very well done with lots of extra detail and what I'm almost certain is one of my 50' resin replacement Viking roofs. But the roof is painted silver, and I thought those NKP cars had black roofs. Was there a silver variation?

Tom Madden

Attachments:

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: does anyone collect unbuilt WestRail kits (or maybe even still builds them)?

Tim O'Connor
 

They were one of the few prototype model kits for a time, and probably more
than a few people have unbuilt kits. I still have 15 kits, with just a couple
of duplicates. I'm pretty sure, not 100% positive, that better models exist now
for all of them. The resin parts are sized for Athearn bodies so I'm not sure
they'd have any other use. The kits have useful detail parts and excellent
instructions. But collectors? Not many, if any.

Tim

On 7/20/2019 2:59 PM, C J Wyatt wrote:
I suspect that some WestRail kits are out there which the purchaser never got around to building. Are any of the kits considered collector's items because of the historical significance of Richard Hendrickson and his wife's company advancing the knowledge of details in freight car modeling. Has anyone compiled a complete list of the company's production and do any kits in the line still fill a need which has yet to be covered?

Appreciate any thoughts about this.

Jack Wyatt
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*