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Early Steel Hopper

David
 

Aha! That hint and a quick search turned up an article in the February 1906 American Engineer and Railroad Journal, pp. 52-53.

https://books.google.com/books?id=lEmxCGAbOSEC&pg=PA52
https://books.google.com/books?id=lEmxCGAbOSEC&pg=PA53

"The car is of the hopper type, of 80,000 lbs. nominal capacity, and was designed and built during the latter part of 1897 under the direction of Mr. L. H. Turner, superintendent of motive power of the Pittsburgh & Lake Erie Railroad, by the Youngstown Bridge Company, Youngstown, Ohio."

David Thompson
Re: RPM St Louis 2019 Photos

gtws00
 

Great coverage of the RPM.
Thanks for posting
George Toman
More St Louis RPM photos

Eric Hansmann
 

I just finished uploading and commenting on photos I took at the event. You can access them through this Model Railroad Hobbyist link. Photos are posted throughout the comments.

https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/37122



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
Dick Harley was Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Bob Webber
 

Thanks, Dick - lots of great stuff!

Great seeing you - and everyone else who recognized me at Collinsville! (I'd say that I recognized, but too often I don't, could never be a salesman).

If anyone missed me or forgot to inquire - we can be reached at "Pullman Library" <irmpulllib at gmail.com> (removing the "at" with the correct symbol, etc.)

At 12:29 PM 7/29/2019, you wrote:

I try to put stuff on my SmugMug site that would be useful to other folks. The top level URL is:
<https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/>https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/
You can navigate the site from there. I have not optimized the site for mobile devices, so a full computer display will probably give you a better 'experience.'
Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA
Bob Webber
Re: RPM St Louis 2019 Photos

rdgbuff56
 

Jeremy,
Thanks for terrific photos and so many. Is there a way to download individual photos from icloud?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Sunbury, Pa.

On Sunday, July 28, 2019, 9:44:49 PM EDT, Jeremy Dummler <jkdummler@...> wrote:


All,
This link will take you to an album of photos from RPM St Louis that happened this last Friday and Saturday.  Where possible I tried to photograph the name of the model builder either with, or ‘near’ the photos of equipment for reference.

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0PSP8ABgUf2ELq3N5H9HNi0fQ

Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL
Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Dick Harley
 


I am not a regular reader of this (or any other) internet list.  So my apologies for the slow response.

I noticed in the past week or so a lot of viewers to my UP Freight Car painting clinic on SmugMug, and wondered what generated the interest.  Bob Webber clued me in when I talked to him at Collinsville last weekend.

Chuck Seemann asked whether that presentation was available in printed form, and I sympathize with him about reading on a computer display.  
I have not printed that info, but Chuck or one of his friends could.  Any of the pages of that presentation can be downloaded in full resolution by clicking the down-arrow "Download" icon at the lower right.  You can download whichever pages are of interest and then print them yourself.

You can also buy images directly from SmugMug, if you want, by clicking the "Buy Photos" button.  I have nothing to do with that process, but I hear they do a good job.

I try to put stuff on my SmugMug site that would be useful to other folks.  The top level URL is:
You can navigate the site from there.  I have not optimized the site for mobile devices, so a full computer display will probably give you a better 'experience.'

I'll get my photos from Collinsville 2019 up there in the next day or two.


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA
Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Bob Chaparro
 

I just returned from the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society Convention. A speaker at that convention was Eric Brock, a professional railroader who is very experienced working with shippers on loads. In response to a question about cutting holes in the steel deck of any flat car he says in was a forbidden practice. Sometimes happened but that usually was followed by a notice to the shipper to stop doing it. Welding braces, tie-down structures, etc. was common and approved.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Re: Early Steel Hopper

ford.donald77 <ford.donald77@...>
 

David
There is also a picture of this car on page 68 of Pittsburgh and Lake Eire by Harold H. McLean (Golden West Books 1980).  The author states that the car was either built by P&LE in the McKees Rocks Shops or by Youngstown Bridge Company
Don Ford 
Cameron MO
Re: InterMountain at Collinsville RPM displaying. . .

Bill Welch
 

Apologies to Dick, I misunderstood what you told me.

Bill Welch
Re: InterMountain at Collinsville RPM displaying. . .

Dick Harley
 


Let me make a couple corrections to Bill's message, lest people have the wrong idea.

Several HO PFE pre-prodction wood reefers were shown at Collinsville by InterMountain.  The models being produced are on their website:

PFE Wood Refrigerator Cars

Features: Sharp Painting and Lettering, Metal Wheelsets and operating couplers.

474016PFE Wood Refrigerator CarPFE Single Herald

R-30-18

$42.95In Production
474025PFE Wood Refrigerator CarPFE Stripe

R-30-12-18

$42.95In Production
474036PFE Wood Refrigerator CarPFE Double Herald

R-30-18

$42.95In Production
474046PFE Wood Refrigerator CarPFE Double Herald - Black & White

R-30-18

$42.95In Production
474106PFE Wood Refrigerator CarPFE Single Herald

R-40-19

$42.95In Production
474156PFE Wood Refrigerator CarPFE Single Herald

R-30-21

$42.95In Production
474166PFE Wood Refrigerator CarPFE Double Herald

R-30-21

$42.95In Production


I did the artwork for these cars, so I think the lettering is pretty correct.
As best I know, delivery of the production assembled models is not yet firm.  

I will be getting some undec kit parts in bulk for myself, and I did offer to provide a few to Bill Welch, if he wanted, because he is a long-time friend.

I AM NOT GETTING IN THE BUSINESS OF PROVIDING UNDEC TERRY WEGMANN PARTS OR KITS.

If you want such parts or kits, you need to contact InterMountain to see what they are able/willing to provide.


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA
Re: RPM St Louis 2019 Photos

gary laakso
 

Thank you very much for posting, Jeremy!

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy Dummler
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] RPM St Louis 2019 Photos

 

All,

This link will take you to an album of photos from RPM St Louis that happened this last Friday and Saturday.  Where possible I tried to photograph the name of the model builder either with, or ‘near’ the photos of equipment for reference.

 

 

Jeremy Dummler

Wauconda, IL
RPM St Louis 2019 Photos

Jeremy Dummler
 

All,
This link will take you to an album of photos from RPM St Louis that happened this last Friday and Saturday.  Where possible I tried to photograph the name of the model builder either with, or ‘near’ the photos of equipment for reference.


Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL
Early Steel Hopper

David
 

Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

David
 

I like that tiny P&LE flat car in the background! any better photos of those?
Not the same car, but still a shorty:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt:8223.409.RR
https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt:8223.407.RR

David Thompson
InterMountain at Collinsville RPM displaying. . .

Bill Welch
 
Edited

. . .PFE reefers built up from kits tooled by the late Terry Wegman. Not sure which ones will be available or schemes but these kits were designed to model the PFE's -18, -19 and -21. Dick Harley told me that eventually undec. kits will be available from him. 

While begging IM's Gene Fusco not to stop manufacturing the IMWX/Red Caboose 1937 AAR molding he cut me off to point out one of their new releases using this tooling, so hope rings. . .

Bill Welch
Mark Vaughan's decals

Clark Propst
 

I’m now part owner of the Mark Vaughan's M&StL decal inventory. If anyone’s interested in any of his M&StL decals please contact me off list.

cepropst@q.com
Re: Athearn 200 ton crane directions -- help request

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

I plan to buy the new trucks, as I  can't see a way to get the old wheel sets out and replace them with ones having metal wheels. 

Alex Schneider

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 7:41 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell
<danmitch@...> wrote:
Trivial point, but there was at least one additional version … after the crane was released as a plastic offering there were two versions … with and without the stack for the steam boiler. The stackless version supposedly representing a crane converted to Diesel power, though such cranes usually had external vents for the radiators needed to cool the engines, and the Athearn crane’s cab remained unmodified.

Another detail worth mentioning is that the diecast metal version of the crane featured fully working equalized 6-wheel Buckeye trucks (fussy to assemble). After the crane was converted to plastic the trucks just had just solid one-piece plastic frames (still available today).

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Jul 27, 2019, at 7:41 PM, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


Try this source https://hoseeker.net/athearninstructionscars1950/Athearncrane1952.jpg. If that link doesn't work go to hoseeker.net select literature scroll down to athearn click on athearn  and select freight car instructions1950's scroll down to Crane big hook 1952
Al Smith
Sonora CA
On ‎Saturday‎, ‎July‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎04‎:‎23‎:‎16‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PDT, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:


    Remember Athearn produced two versions of the crane.  The first was zamac and had 3 pulleys for boom and main hook.  The later version was plastic and had 1 pulleys  in place of the three.
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Re: Athearn 200 ton crane directions -- help request

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dan,

Ah, fussy trucks! I had one of the metal cranes picked up second-hand as a youngster. It had some non-sprung metal trucks, which I now gather might have been a substitution. They were always loose, and the crane tripped over everything it went around a curve. I never got the monster completely put together, as there were no instructions. Being zamac, eventually the boom pivot cracked, and it was in my junk box when I sold off all my HO stuff when I went off to college. I think I still have the smaller hook in my parts bin somewhere.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/28/19 8:40 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell wrote:
Trivial point, but there was at least one additional version … after the crane was released as a plastic offering there were two versions … with and without the stack for the steam boiler. The stackless version supposedly representing a crane converted to Diesel power, though such cranes usually had external vents for the radiators needed to cool the engines, and the Athearn crane’s cab remained unmodified.

Another detail worth mentioning is that the diecast metal version of the crane featured fully working equalized 6-wheel Buckeye trucks (fussy to assemble). After the crane was converted to plastic the trucks just had just solid one-piece plastic frames (still available today).

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Jul 27, 2019, at 7:41 PM, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


Try this source https://hoseeker.net/athearninstructionscars1950/Athearncrane1952.jpg. If that link doesn't work go to hoseeker.net select literature scroll down to athearn click on athearn  and select freight car instructions1950's scroll down to Crane big hook 1952
Al Smith
Sonora CA
On ‎Saturday‎, ‎July‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎04‎:‎23‎:‎16‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PDT, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:


    Remember Athearn produced two versions of the crane.  The first was zamac and had 3 pulleys for boom and main hook.  The later version was plastic and had 1 pulleys  in place of the three.
--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Re: Athearn 200 ton crane directions -- help request

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dan,

Ah, fussy trucks! I had one of the metal cranes picked up second-hand as a youngster. It had some non-sprung metal trucks, which I now gather might have been a substitution. They were always loose, and the crane tripped over everything it went around a curve. I never got the monster completely put together, as there were no instructions. Being zamac, eventually the boom pivot cracked, and it was in my junk box when I sold off all my HO stuff when I went off to college. I think I still have the smaller hook in my parts bin somewhere.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/28/19 8:40 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell wrote:
Trivial point, but there was at least one additional version … after the crane was released as a plastic offering there were two versions … with and without the stack for the steam boiler. The stackless version supposedly representing a crane converted to Diesel power, though such cranes usually had external vents for the radiators needed to cool the engines, and the Athearn crane’s cab remained unmodified.

Another detail worth mentioning is that the diecast metal version of the crane featured fully working equalized 6-wheel Buckeye trucks (fussy to assemble). After the crane was converted to plastic the trucks just had just solid one-piece plastic frames (still available today).

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Jul 27, 2019, at 7:41 PM, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


Try this source https://hoseeker.net/athearninstructionscars1950/Athearncrane1952.jpg. If that link doesn't work go to hoseeker.net select literature scroll down to athearn click on athearn  and select freight car instructions1950's scroll down to Crane big hook 1952
Al Smith
Sonora CA
On ‎Saturday‎, ‎July‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎04‎:‎23‎:‎16‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PDT, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:


    Remember Athearn produced two versions of the crane.  The first was zamac and had 3 pulleys for boom and main hook.  The later version was plastic and had 1 pulleys  in place of the three.
--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Re: Athearn 200 ton crane directions -- help request

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Trivial point, but there was at least one additional version … after the crane was released as a plastic offering there were two versions … with and without the stack for the steam boiler. The stackless version supposedly representing a crane converted to Diesel power, though such cranes usually had external vents for the radiators needed to cool the engines, and the Athearn crane’s cab remained unmodified.

Another detail worth mentioning is that the diecast metal version of the crane featured fully working equalized 6-wheel Buckeye trucks (fussy to assemble). After the crane was converted to plastic the trucks just had just solid one-piece plastic frames (still available today).

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Jul 27, 2019, at 7:41 PM, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


Try this source https://hoseeker.net/athearninstructionscars1950/Athearncrane1952.jpg. If that link doesn't work go to hoseeker.net select literature scroll down to athearn click on athearn  and select freight car instructions1950's scroll down to Crane big hook 1952
Al Smith
Sonora CA
On ‎Saturday‎, ‎July‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎04‎:‎23‎:‎16‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PDT, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:


    Remember Athearn produced two versions of the crane.  The first was zamac and had 3 pulleys for boom and main hook.  The later version was plastic and had 1 pulleys  in place of the three.
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS