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Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar
Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah: https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s66138c3 Does anyone have an educated guess (as opposed to a SWAG) as to what the series of chalk marks along the upper side of the car mean? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: PFE/WP Reefer
Photo: PFE/WP Reefer This is link to a photo from the collection of the University of Utah: https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tj05h8 Visible among the reefers is PFE 50092, one of the Western Pacific reefers. I believe there were fewer than 3,000 of these WP cars in the PFE fleet. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: More ATSF Sk-O Questions
Allan Smith
Frank Ellington's book Stock Cars of the Santa Fe Railway, has a drawing of class Sk-O on page 77 and a cross-section drawing on page 78, there are also photos of Sk-O 68000 side and end on page 24.. Also the 2nd quarter 2012 Warbonnet has an article by Jim Barnes about the Sk-M&O Stock cars with more photos of same. Al Smith Sonora CA
On Thursday, November 28, 2019, 10:34:00 AM PST, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
First, thanks to all those who responded to the air reservoir question. The next issue I’ve run into is the type of grab iron on the bottom of the end grab ladder. Both the end drawing and photo of ATSF 68000 on page 111 of Stephen Sandifer’s book show straight grab irons for all five rungs of the grab ladder, however the photo of ATSF 68093 on the same page shows a drop grab iron for the bottom rung of the end grab ladder (four straight grab irons and one drop grab iron). Westerfield instruction state that the bottom end ladder grab iron is a drop grab iron, probably based upon the photo of ATSF 68093. Which type grab iron was most common for the bottom rung of the end grab ladder?
The only information on brake component layout is on page 132 of Sandifer’s book, and that drawing is for a Sk-3 car. The only Sk-O photos I have show only the end and right side of the car, so it’s not easy to tell exactly where the control valve and brake cylinder were located, or where the train line penetrated the center sill. However, a photo of the brake components and train line on ATSF Sk-S 68970 appears on page 119 of the Sandifer book. While the location of the air reservoir, control valve, and brake cylinder are similar for both the Sk-S and the Sk-3, the location of the train line penetration of the center sill is different. Is it safe to assume that the Sk-O and Sk-S shared the same brake component locations and train line penetration point?
Anyone remotely interested in ATSF stock cars, general livestock traffic and practices, or modeling stock cars will love Sandifer’s book. For modelers, the close-up color photos of remaining cars provides details on the brake staff ratchet and pawl, uncoupling levers, door hinges, convertible deck hardware, and many other details that you won’t fine adequately covered in kit instructions.
Nelson Moyer
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Offered two IntermountainR-40-10 decorated PFE reefer kits
Andy Carlson
If accuracy is wanted, I have 2 Intermountain HO Pacific Fruit Express reefer kits for R-40-10 steel ice bunker refrigerator cars. IM # 41702P-35 PFE Double Herald car with Union Pacific colored herald matched with a B&W SP medallion. Blt 8-36, repainted and reweighed in Roseville 7-18-46. In the black hardware scheme. PFE #42664. $25 with free shipping included to the US IM # 41702P-37 Same as above, PFE # 42215 $25, with free shipping included to the US Also one IM # 41701-10; blt 8-36 with Overland single UP herald on one side, SP B&W on opposite side. As delivered 1936 scheme. PFE 43724 $20 with free shipping included to the US I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal. For info, contact me off-list @ <midcentury@...> Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: CN bcr
Pierre Oliver
Yeah!
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That’s the one lol Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On Nov 30, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
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Re: CN bcr
Marty McGuirk
Clark,
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Here’s a prototype photo that shows definitively the exact color CN boxcars should be painted....
On Nov 30, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Walter Cox via Groups.Io <WaltGCox@...> wrote:
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Re: PFE reefer kits R-40-20
Dick Harley
Tim, The only PFE 40-ft steel reefers that I know Sunshine did were the R-40-10 and the R-40-26. The R-40-14 and R-40-20 are very similar, with the -20 being 1-1/2 inches taller. I would make an R-40-20 from an InterMountain R-40-10 (and ignore the taller height), but I suppose you could replace the roof and underframe of a Trix car and narrow the ends. See: https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFEModels/PFE-Steel-Ice-Reefer-Models/R-40-14/ and https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFEModels/PFE-Steel-Ice-Reefer-Models/R-40-20/ Cheers, Dick Harley Laguna Beach, CA
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Re: PFE reefer kits R-40-20
Dick
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It just occurred to me that Sunshine never did an R-40-20 either, did they? I always thought it was just the ends that needed to be replaced (which Details West offered)... :-(
On 11/30/2019 2:29 PM, Dick Harley via Groups.Io wrote:
For those that care about prototype accuracy, it should be pointed out that these kits are pretty bogus. The car body is the InterMountain PFE R-40-23, so the ends, doors and underframe are not correct for an R-40-20. The class R-40-20 was built in January to April 1945, so they never would have had the pre-1942 Overland banner UP medallion. Yes, InterMountain has sold 48 different car numbers of these as RTR cars, but that just shows what the market likes, and not what happened prototypically. --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Op session on the Alma branch
Jared Harper
It has been months since I hosted an op session on my Alma branch layout. I hope to resume monthly op sessions in January. For those of you not familiar with my layout it is 22 1/2'x30' in HO scale and depicts Santa Fe operations on its Alma,KS, branch in May 1943. An op session lasts about 3-3 1/2 hours. The crew consisting of an engineer, conductor, and brakeman run the daily mixed trains 96/95 from Burlingame to Alma following protocols followed by the real train crews in May 1943. To get a better idea see Tom Klimowski's video under my name on You Tube. The op session begins with lunch at noon after which we retreat to the basement to run trains. Some possible January dates are Saturday the 4th, Sunday the 5th. Saturday the 25h or Sunday the 26th. If any of these dates suit you let me know and we can decide on a date. Jared Harper 420 Woodward Way Athens, GA 30606 706-543-8821
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Re: Offered: 2 Intermountain steel PFE reefer kits R-40-20 Overland herald
rdgbuff56
Intermountain is the "King Of Foobies". Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 7:29:05 PM UTC, Dick Harley via Groups.Io <dick.harley4up@...> wrote:
Inter
For those that care about prototype accuracy, it should be pointed out that these kits are pretty bogus. The car body is the InterMountain PFE R-40-23, so the ends, doors and underframe are not correct for an R-40-20. The class R-40-20 was built in January to April 1945, so they never would have had the pre-1942 Overland banner UP medallion. Yes, InterMountain has sold 48 different car numbers of these as RTR cars, but that just shows what the market likes, and not what happened prototypically. https://intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45509.htm Cheers, Dick Harley Laguna Beach, CA
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Re: Offered: 2 Intermountain steel PFE reefer kits R-40-20 Overland herald
Dick Harley
For those that care about prototype accuracy, it should be pointed out that these kits are pretty bogus. The car body is the InterMountain PFE R-40-23, so the ends, doors and underframe are not correct for an R-40-20. The class R-40-20 was built in January to April 1945, so they never would have had the pre-1942 Overland banner UP medallion. Yes, InterMountain has sold 48 different car numbers of these as RTR cars, but that just shows what the market likes, and not what happened prototypically. https://intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45509.htm Cheers, Dick Harley Laguna Beach, CA
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Re: CN bcr
Walter Cox
To my eye the CN single sheath box cars seem to be a lighter (dustier?) shade of boxcar re with the ones spending more time in the east showing a light blackish tint,( probably due to dirtier air).
Walt
In a message dated 11/29/2019 9:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, fgexbill@... writes:
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Re: CN bcr
Ian Cranstone
On Nov 29, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:CN had a tightly-controlled standard pallette of colours, and in this case the standard colour was Red #11, which was a reddish version of brown. As the colour aged, the reddish tone faded and the car would become increasingly brown. A number of paints have been mixed to match CN Red #11 over the years, but be aware that this colour really only works for a freshly-painted car. Ian CranstoneOsgoode, Ontario, Canada lamontc@nakina.net http://freightcars.nakina.net
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Re: CN bcr
Benjamin Hom
Doug Harding wrote: "The CN historical society once sold correct color paint." CN Red #11 is what you want for transition era boxcars. Ben Hom
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Re: CN bcr
True but I believe Clark does not like acrylic paint.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote: The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org Modelflex still does, it is called CN #11 :I think, reddish Bill Welch
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Re: CN bcr
Pierre Oliver
Yup
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They sure did I have a large supply Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On Nov 29, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:
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Re: CN bcr
Bill Welch
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
Bill Welch
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Re: CN bcr
The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
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SOLD: 2 Intermountain steel PFE reefer kits R-40-20 Overland herald
Andy Carlson
Thanks everyone! The reefer kits are sold. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Offered: 2 Intermountain steel PFE reefer kits R-40-20 Overland herald
Andy Carlson
Hello- I have 2 Intermountain Pacific Fruit Express R-40-20 steel ice bunker reefer decorated kits for sale. Intermountain # 40509-23(24), PFE #46691 and PFE # 46700. Both in as delivered 1945 scheme of single Overland colored UP herald on one side, single SP herald on opposite side. New, and in undisturbed condition in original Black, Red and White Intermountain boxes. Offered for $22 each, with free shipping included to the US. I accept checks and money orders, and with a small fee PayPal is accepted. Contact me off-list (please) at <midcentury@...> Thanks, -Andy Carlson, Ojai CA
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