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Re: 2019 Mid-Atlantic RPM Presentations/Handouts

gary laakso
 

Thank you for sharing the download site and thanks to all the find presenters willing to share their material with those of us who did not attend.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:06 AM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 2019 Mid-Atlantic RPM Presentations/Handouts

 

Some of the presentations from the 2019 MARPM held on 20-21 September are posted on the MARPM clinic website.

 

Some comments regarding my "New York Central System Open Hoppers 1919-1967" handout:

- This is a first attempt to provide an overview of the NYCS hopper fleet.  Constructive comments, corrections and additional information are welcome.

- For information on specific lot numbers, including number series and service longevity cross reference the information on Terry Link's website by doing a Ctrl+F search for the desired lot number. 

- I don't have a NYCS Specifications Rosetta Stone, so the description of each group of like cars is my own.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: Rusty rivets?

 

Hmm. Maybe email the folks at Archer and ask them for some rust coloured rivet decals?

Colin ‘t Hart
Frösön, Sweden


2019 Mid-Atlantic RPM Presentations/Handouts

Benjamin Hom
 

Some of the presentations from the 2019 MARPM held on 20-21 September are posted on the MARPM clinic website.

Some comments regarding my "New York Central System Open Hoppers 1919-1967" handout:
- This is a first attempt to provide an overview of the NYCS hopper fleet.  Constructive comments, corrections and additional information are welcome.
- For information on specific lot numbers, including number series and service longevity cross reference the information on Terry Link's website by doing a Ctrl+F search for the desired lot number. 
- I don't have a NYCS Specifications Rosetta Stone, so the description of each group of like cars is my own.


Ben Hom


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rusty rivets?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Scott;

I am very fond of drybrushing rivets, over a background of dark rust wash in the seams and around the base of the rivets, to make them pop. See attached for example.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of D. Scott Chatfield
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 12:27 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Rusty rivets?

Archer rivets and their clones have changed the way many of us approach kitbashing and scratchbuilding. But while looking at some prototype photos for current projects I noticed that what I really need are rust colored rivets, and they need to be applied after painting the car. I know most of you apply the rivets then paint the car, but I model post-1960 for the most part, when most riveted cars would have lost the paint over the rivets. Paint doesn't stick to rivets well, and that isn't just a post-1960 problem.

Thoughts?

Scott Chatfield


Re: Rusty rivets?

Bob Webber
 

Do the same method as some use for wood. Paint an uneven coat of your favorite "rust", apply minute dabs of rubber cement, paint and finish the top coats, carefully sand or otw expose (and remove the cement) the protruding "rivets" - as much as little as the application requires.

At 11:26 PM 9/29/2019, you wrote:
Archer rivets and their clones have changed the way many of us approach kitbashing and scratchbuilding. But while looking at some prototype photos for current projects I noticed that what I really need are rust colored rivets, and they need to be applied after painting the car. I know most of you apply the rivets then paint the car, but I model post-1960 for the most part, when most riveted cars would have lost the paint over the rivets. Paint doesn't stick to rivets well, and that isn't just a post-1960 problem.

Thoughts?

Scott Chatfield
Bob Webber


Re: NC&STL GOLDOLA

Bill Welch
 

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 06:49 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
NC&StL owned no gondolas with Dreadnaught ends.

Bill Welch
Correction, I spoke before coffee, the NC&StL owned 25 65-foot mill gons easily modeled w/Athearn model and Speedwitch ends and decals.

Bill Welch


Re: NC&STL GOLDOLA

Steven D Johnson
 

Garth,

 

It’s one of these ACF L&N low-side gondolas, built in 1958.  See attached photo.  I can provide series information, etc. later.  Getting ready to head to work now.

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 5:24 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NC&STL GOLDOLA

 

Good friends,

Attached is a photo I took of a Seaboard low-side gondola at Dillwyn, Virginia on the then-CSX Dillwyn Subdivision (now Buckingham Branch RR) around 1986. It appears to be an ex-NC&STL car, which would put it within our era of interest. Likely it was rebuilt with the sides strengthened. Any comments on its origins and original series numbers?

The car is on a short siding that served Seay Milling Co., the local Southern States affiliate. This track was rarely used by Seay, and served (and still does) as a holding track to stash cars; the Dillwyn yard being pretty small. It was likely bound for loading at the Koppers woodlot about 1/2 mile further down the line. Koppers was, and still is, one of the branch's major shippers, but their track only holds 3-4 cars. Raw ties are still loaded there and sent to an off-line creosote plant.

Stashing freight cars on somebody else's siding until needed is likely a pretty common thing on most railroads, but something we rarely do on our layouts. Something worth considering for how you operate your freight cars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


RPM Chicagoland mini-kit

Eric Hansmann
 

RPM Chicagoland is just ahead on the calendar. A mini-kit of resin parts to upgrade a plastic freight car will be given to many early registrants. The kit and prototype are featured in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/2019-rpm-chicagoland/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range boxcar 3332

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Lester, with a little work an Accurail car can become a gem.  Here's a photo I took of the car in 1988 wehn Duluth was part of my territory, Enjoy
Fenton

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 6:00 PM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:
I have finished Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range single-sheathed Box Car 3332.  It is an Accurail  kit, number 4406.  I have included a photo of the car prior to final paint and weathering with molded ladders removed and drop grab iron ladders and other DMIR details added. If you are interested, photos and writeup of the build including paint match are now on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/
 

Lester Breuer



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Re: NC&STL GOLDOLA

Bill Welch
 

NC&StL owned no gondolas with Dreadnaught ends.

Bill Welch


NC&STL GOLDOLA

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Good friends,

Attached is a photo I took of a Seaboard low-side gondola at Dillwyn, Virginia on the then-CSX Dillwyn Subdivision (now Buckingham Branch RR) around 1986. It appears to be an ex-NC&STL car, which would put it within our era of interest. Likely it was rebuilt with the sides strengthened. Any comments on its origins and original series numbers?

The car is on a short siding that served Seay Milling Co., the local Southern States affiliate. This track was rarely used by Seay, and served (and still does) as a holding track to stash cars; the Dillwyn yard being pretty small. It was likely bound for loading at the Koppers woodlot about 1/2 mile further down the line. Koppers was, and still is, one of the branch's major shippers, but their track only holds 3-4 cars. Raw ties are still loaded there and sent to an off-line creosote plant.

Stashing freight cars on somebody else's siding until needed is likely a pretty common thing on most railroads, but something we rarely do on our layouts. Something worth considering for how you operate your freight cars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range boxcar 3332

Paul Doggett
 

Lester 

That’s looking really neat.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 29 Sep 2019, at 23:00, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have finished Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range single-sheathed Box Car 3332.  It is an Accurail  kit, number 4406.  I have included a photo of the car prior to final paint and weathering with molded ladders removed and drop grab iron ladders and other DMIR details added. If you are interested, photos and writeup of the build including paint match are now on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/
 

Lester Breuer

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Re: Rusty rivets?

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Scott,

How about a teeny-tiny 00000 spotting brush, some thinned rust-colored acrylic paint, an Optivisor (for those of us older than Elvis) and a lot of patience?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 9/30/2019 12:26 AM, D. Scott Chatfield wrote:
Archer rivets and their clones have changed the way many of us approach kitbashing and scratchbuilding.  But while looking at some prototype photos for current projects I noticed that what I really need are rust colored rivets, and they need to be applied after painting the car.  I know most of you apply the rivets then paint the car, but I model post-1960 for the most part, when most riveted cars would have lost the paint over the rivets.  Paint doesn't stick to rivets well, and that isn't just a post-1960 problem.

Thoughts?

Scott Chatfield


Rusty rivets?

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Archer rivets and their clones have changed the way many of us approach kitbashing and scratchbuilding.  But while looking at some prototype photos for current projects I noticed that what I really need are rust colored rivets, and they need to be applied after painting the car.  I know most of you apply the rivets then paint the car, but I model post-1960 for the most part, when most riveted cars would have lost the paint over the rivets.  Paint doesn't stick to rivets well, and that isn't just a post-1960 problem.

Thoughts?

Scott Chatfield


Re: NP R23 clone reefer

leakinmywaders
 

Just to reiterate a point Jim Dick made, and Aaron hinted at, the NP was in general watched over by a hierarchy of engaged sticklers.  While not completely unheard of, it was unusual for equipment to stray significantly from the specs in the official painting and lettering diagrams (as revised and noted on specific dates). This was so until the late 1960s, when mergeritis started setting in—and then mainly things went chaotically nonstandard mostly for lettering flat, gon, and hopper repaints, Less so for house cars. 

Chris Frissell 
Polson, MT


Re: Covered Hopper ID

mopacfirst
 

That part of Kansas overlays a very large gas field, the Hugoton.  Could there have been a carbon black plant on the branch?

I know there was one owned by Cabot right off the Santa Fe mainline (now the Transcon) near Pampa, Texas, which is geographically interchangeable with western Kansas.

Ron Merrick


Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range boxcar 3332

Lester Breuer
 

I have finished Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range single-sheathed Box Car 3332.  It is an Accurail  kit, number 4406.  I have included a photo of the car prior to final paint and weathering with molded ladders removed and drop grab iron ladders and other DMIR details added. If you are interested, photos and writeup of the build including paint match are now on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/
 

Lester Breuer


Re: Rio Grande double-sheathed automobile car

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Stunning job. Westerfield needs to do this car in HO.


Thanks!
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Brian Ehni


On 9/28/19, 6:21 PM, "Richard Scott" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io on behalf of rlscott5709@gmail.com> wrote:

Here's a photo of my most recent freight car project, an O-scale D&RGW
double-sheathed automobile car. I built it from a Rails Unlimited
resin body, painted it with Polly Scale acrylics, and lettered it with
Protocraft decals. The 200 cars in the Rio Grande's 61200-61399
series were built by the Mount Vernon Car Company in 1925. Most
remained in service into the 1960s, with the final car, 61346, going
off the roster in 1969.


I have other photos of my steam-era freight cars in "Dick Scott's
models," currently on the first page of our photo section.


Dick Scott


Re: Covered Hopper ID

Ed Hawkins
 



On Sep 29, 2019, at 10:05 AM, David via Groups.Io <davidleesnook@...> wrote:

It is no doubt a Carbon Black hopper, any ideas on the owner and reporting marks.  I'm guessing Colombian Carbon Co.  From this angle the car looks like it could be modeled from the F&C kit, and I think this style of hopper was offered by Railshop and Overland.

David,
Columbian Carbon’s reporting marks were CCX. For the referenced 1952 date of the photo, CCX car numbers ranged from 211-307, 95 cars in service as of 1/52. 

They were built in relatively small groups of 10 to 25 cars by ACF from 7-37 to 10-47. CCX 211-262, 52 cars, were originally built for Columbian Gasoline (SCNX 211-262) built 7-37 to 8-39 & transferred to CCX in the first half of 1940. ACF built 45 additional cars for CCX from 10-40 to 10-47. Two cars from original series 211-220 were apparently lost to attrition, one in 1943 & the other in 1949-1950. All of these cars had 3000 cu. ft. capacity. 

ACF builder photos with CCX reporting marks include 270, built 12-40, lot 2107, which was published on page 305, 1946 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia & page 248 of the 1949-1951 CBC. Other builder photos are 285, built 10-41, lot 2250 and 304, built 10-47, lot 3047. Scans of these photos are available from the Barriger National Railroad Library. 

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Re: Covered Hopper ID

Tim O'Connor
 


The car in your photo is a Columbian Carbon ACF hopper of the type offered by the three
different sources - representing the cars before they were all rebuilt to increase their
capacity. There are no models of the rebuilt cars.

Carbon black was produced in factories that burned natural gas and collected the carbon soot.
I've attached a photo from the 2007 Naperville meet of a model of a facility that was built in
west Texas.





On 9/29/2019 11:05 AM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm curious about the covered hopper in the scan attached (hopefully).  Image is on the Santa Fe in Medicine Lodge, KS 1952.

It is no doubt a Carbon Black hopper, any ideas on the owner and reporting marks.  I'm guessing Colombian Carbon Co.  From this angle the car looks like it could be modeled from the F&C kit, and I think this style of hopper was offered by Railshop and Overland.

Seems odd that this car would be on this particular branch line.  The only non-agricultural traffic on this line to my knowledge is gypsum mining and wallboard manufacturing.  There would be petroleum production in this area, but no refineries.  No interchanges with foreign roads on this branch.  Any speculation why this car would be out here?

Photo credit goes to William O Gibson, Medicine Lodge, Kansas 1952.  "Santa Fe Engine Picture Taker" p.21.

Regards,
David Snook
Wichita, KS


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