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Re: Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Bruce Smith
 

That's what I get for answering too quickly. I meant that the Shake n'Take was not based on these models 😉


Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars
 
I think Bruce got several emails crossed. The Rapido reefer is fine for Oscar Mayer.  It needs sidesill modes for swift.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 1, 2019, at 11:16 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Bryain,


Nope... it's a 37' kit bash starting with the 40' Accurail wood reefer.


Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars
 
Thanks Bruce, is the Rapido 37' reefer a good representation of a URTX  leased to Oscar Mayer or Swift
or should I just start with a Lifelike car?
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Friday, March 1, 2019 8:52 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Bryian,

Check out the Shake n’ Take project from a few years ago ;)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I'm looking to start a build project to model refrigerated cars that wore the Oscar Mayer Paint schemes in the mid 1950's
I would like to get your input on the following:

  • Sources for reference material
  • Photos
  • Accurate models or good starting point suggestions.

Thank You,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA



Re: Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Charlie,

Years ago in my misspent youth I had a decal sheet that came in some kit (Hobbyline, IIRC) that included "Vote Democratic" and "Vote Republican", along with "Jesus Saves" and some other graffiti. I will wager that is what you saw.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 3/1/19 10:18 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Could that slogan have been a graffito?
Tony Thompson 


On Mar 1, 2019, at 7:06 PM, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:

They certainly did not letter any cars like that.
Charlie Slater

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Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 6:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar
 
Ok, so I'm more tha willing to chalk this up to modeler's fancy, but I feel compelled to run it by the experts before I write it off entirely...

I recently saw an old Varney boxcar lettered for ATSF and in addition to the usual logos and slogans I've seen on such cars, this had a big diagonal "Vote Democratic" to the left of the door.

I find it hard to imagine, but did Santa Fe ever put such a thing on any real cars?

Thanks and I wish everyone a good weekend,
Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer

Re: Mystery Ribbed FCM Automobile Boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Miles,

My 1958 ORER lists them as FCM 3500-3599, with 70 cars in the series. They are in English dimensions 40'-6" IL, 8'-6" IH, 3012 cubic feet, with a 12'-5 1/2" door opening. No loaders are mentioned. Series 9500-9599 with a total of 15 cars have nearly identical dimensions except for door width, and might be derivitives/rebuilds. I tried to blow up the photo, and think the build date might be 12-34, which would be appropriate for the 4/4 Dreadnaught ends. Note the radial roof, which appears to be corrugated metal. The left truck is missing both journal box covers on the side toward the camera.

It is an interesting car, but probably would not have run in the US due to the metric dimensional lettering.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 3/1/19 11:12 AM, Miles C wrote:
Stumbled across this neat ribbed FCM Automobile boxcar this morning, and I'd like more information about it. 

-Who built these, and when? 
-Did they find themselves in non-auto service (or auto parts service) after boxcars fell out of favor for carrying assembled autos?
-When were the majority of them retired?
-Were they in dedicated service or did they roam? 

Thanks. 

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help me design a new Grab Iron Bending Jig

jerryglow2
 

Thanks Eldon, I can't remember my source when I did mine.

Re: Help me design a new Grab Iron Bending Jig / Jerry Glow's gondolas

jerryglow2
 

not of those but here's my Walthers PRR USRA steel gondola

Re: Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Bryian Sones
 

Doug, 

The photo of the RSM URTX 66215, is this the same car as the PFE R-40-26?
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Friday, March 1, 2019 8:56 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


I think Bruce got several emails crossed. The Rapido reefer is fine for Oscar Mayer.  It needs sidesill modes for swift.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 1, 2019, at 11:16 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Bryain,

Nope... it's a 37' kit bash starting with the 40' Accurail wood reefer.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 4:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars
 
Thanks Bruce, is the Rapido 37' reefer a good representation of a URTX  leased to Oscar Mayer or Swift
or should I just start with a Lifelike car?
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Friday, March 1, 2019 8:52 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Bryian,

Check out the Shake n’ Take project from a few years ago ;)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I'm looking to start a build project to model refrigerated cars that wore the Oscar Mayer Paint schemes in the mid 1950's
I would like to get your input on the following:

  • Sources for reference material
  • Photos
  • Accurate models or good starting point suggestions.

Thank You,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA





Easy way to fold Yarmouth ladder styles.

Scott
 

I got a "photo etch elbow bender" from UMM USA and it works great folding the styles.  I can fold one in less then a minute.  The bender goes past 90° so the stile ends up at 90° in a nice crisp fold.  It also works great for small stuff like roofwalk supports from Plano.  Thought I would share that as it really  takes the frustration out of folding them.

Scott McDonald

Re: Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Brian Carlson
 

I think Bruce got several emails crossed. The Rapido reefer is fine for Oscar Mayer.  It needs sidesill modes for swift.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 1, 2019, at 11:16 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Bryain,


Nope... it's a 37' kit bash starting with the 40' Accurail wood reefer.


Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 4:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars
 
Thanks Bruce, is the Rapido 37' reefer a good representation of a URTX  leased to Oscar Mayer or Swift
or should I just start with a Lifelike car?
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Friday, March 1, 2019 8:52 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Bryian,

Check out the Shake n’ Take project from a few years ago ;)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I'm looking to start a build project to model refrigerated cars that wore the Oscar Mayer Paint schemes in the mid 1950's
I would like to get your input on the following:

  • Sources for reference material
  • Photos
  • Accurate models or good starting point suggestions.

Thank You,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA



Re: Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Bruce Smith
 

Bryain,


Nope... it's a 37' kit bash starting with the 40' Accurail wood reefer.


Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 4:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars
 
Thanks Bruce, is the Rapido 37' reefer a good representation of a URTX  leased to Oscar Mayer or Swift
or should I just start with a Lifelike car?
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Friday, March 1, 2019 8:52 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Bryian,

Check out the Shake n’ Take project from a few years ago ;)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I'm looking to start a build project to model refrigerated cars that wore the Oscar Mayer Paint schemes in the mid 1950's
I would like to get your input on the following:

  • Sources for reference material
  • Photos
  • Accurate models or good starting point suggestions.

Thank You,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA



Re: Help me design a new Grab Iron Bending Jig

Bruce Smith
 

Tim,


LOL right back at you... some of us have figured out how to use this tool successfully... the comments section doesn't always reflect the truth 😉


Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 3:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Help me design a new Grab Iron Bending Jig
 

LOL. Bruce, read the comment on that page - "useless" for HO scale.

But like I said, AMB and Tichy already make them specifically for HO scale.

And, well, it ain't exactly rocket science to make one for ourselves. :-)

If I recall correctly, the others also provide for corner grabs.



On 3/1/2019 11:42 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
Gang,

Sounds like you mean this:
www.micromark.com
Make Perfect Grab Irons for Your Train, Aircraft, Truck and Military Models If you've ever tried to make your own grab irons by eyeballing and bending wire into shape with a plier, you already know that it's almost impossible to make any two exactly alike.


Regards

Bruce



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Mystery Ribbed FCM Automobile Boxcar

Miles C
 

Stumbled across this neat ribbed FCM Automobile boxcar this morning, and I'd like more information about it. 

-Who built these, and when? 
-Did they find themselves in non-auto service (or auto parts service) after boxcars fell out of favor for carrying assembled autos?
-When were the majority of them retired?
-Were they in dedicated service or did they roam? 

Thanks. 

Re: Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Douglas Harding
 

Bryian, Oscar Meyer, like most meat packers, leased meat reefers. They leased reefers from a number of companies through the years, including Mather, NWX (North Western), National, MDT and URTC. Attached are a few photos. There is one photo in Gene Green’s Color Refrigerator Car book and a number of photos in Kaminski’s Billboard Refrigerator Cars.

 

Al Westerfield indicated that URTC records are extremely difficult to research. So it is difficult to know exactly how many URTC cars Oscar Mayer actually leased at any one time. By the mid 50s you would be seeing steel sided reefers in meat service, including some leased by Oscar Mayer. And remember that GATC acquired URTC in 1929, after that date most new URTC cars followed GATC designs.

 

in HO good quality wood meat reefers include the:

Red Caboose 37’Mather meat reefer, once offered in Oscar Mayer

Rapido 37’ GATC meat reefer, was offered in Oscar Mayer

Atlas 37’ GATC meat reefer, based upon a Cudahy design

I am not familiar with what is available for steel sided cars.

 

Lettering is available from Clover House and Tichy Trains.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
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To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

 

Hi All,

 

I'm looking to start a build project to model refrigerated cars that wore the Oscar Mayer Paint schemes in the mid 1950's

I would like to get your input on the following:

 

  • Sources for reference material
  • Photos
  • Accurate models or good starting point suggestions.

 

Thank You,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

Re: Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Could that slogan have been a graffito?
Tony Thompson 


On Mar 1, 2019, at 7:06 PM, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:

They certainly did not letter any cars like that.
Charlie Slater

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Brent Greer <studegator@...>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 6:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar
 
Ok, so I'm more tha willing to chalk this up to modeler's fancy, but I feel compelled to run it by the experts before I write it off entirely...

I recently saw an old Varney boxcar lettered for ATSF and in addition to the usual logos and slogans I've seen on such cars, this had a big diagonal "Vote Democratic" to the left of the door.

I find it hard to imagine, but did Santa Fe ever put such a thing on any real cars?

Thanks and I wish everyone a good weekend,
Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer

Re: Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar

charles slater
 

They certainly did not letter any cars like that.
Charlie Slater

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Brent Greer <studegator@...>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 6:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar
 
Ok, so I'm more tha willing to chalk this up to modeler's fancy, but I feel compelled to run it by the experts before I write it off entirely...

I recently saw an old Varney boxcar lettered for ATSF and in addition to the usual logos and slogans I've seen on such cars, this had a big diagonal "Vote Democratic" to the left of the door.

I find it hard to imagine, but did Santa Fe ever put such a thing on any real cars?

Thanks and I wish everyone a good weekend,
Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer

Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar

Brent Greer
 

Ok, so I'm more tha willing to chalk this up to modeler's fancy, but I feel compelled to run it by the experts before I write it off entirely...

I recently saw an old Varney boxcar lettered for ATSF and in addition to the usual logos and slogans I've seen on such cars, this had a big diagonal "Vote Democratic" to the left of the door.

I find it hard to imagine, but did Santa Fe ever put such a thing on any real cars?

Thanks and I wish everyone a good weekend,
Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer

Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hello folks,

     The color for me on D&H Seley hoppers is not an issue, the numbering and lettering pattern has been. But Armand you 
surprise me. With 15 years on me you must remember these cars in an oxide red color which Al Seebach (O&W Car Shop)
states with the instructions for the decals supplied for his imported brass D&H Seley hoppers that they were red until being
repainted from 1960 onward. You really surprise me, Claus, with the statement that the black paint began in 1942. I would 
be very surporised to find it was used before the end oif WW II and suspect 1960 is closer to the mark IIRC even the Athearn
34 ft. twinn hoppers were painted an oxide red color. Yes, I know, that's Athearn but I doubt they were far off on that particular
model. Mine are all red and will remain that way until all are lettered, receive loads and are weathered. 

    Thanks to all who havce helped with this project, Don Valentine

Re: Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Richard Townsend
 

I don't know whether Red Caboose did. Intermountain does not show any Mather cars on its website.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Fri, Mar 1, 2019 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Richard I think  Red Caboose printed the Mather Reefer in the Oscar Mayer scheme but I wasn't sure about accuracy of the car.
I think it was the Red Caboose  RC-1010c?


   
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Friday, March 1, 2019 3:32 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


One thing you can do is get a Red Caboose Mather reefer and put Tichy decals on it.  The Life-Like (Varney) reefer is a Swift prototype though it has been offered in Oscar Mayer lettering. MDC also offered some Oscar Mayer shorty reefers that can be reasonable stand-ins.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Mar 1, 2019 8:50 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Hi All,

I'm looking to start a build project to model refrigerated cars that wore the Oscar Mayer Paint schemes in the mid 1950's
I would like to get your input on the following:

  • Sources for reference material
  • Photos
  • Accurate models or good starting point suggestions.

Thank You,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


Re: Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Bryian Sones
 

Richard I think  Red Caboose printed the Mather Reefer in the Oscar Mayer scheme but I wasn't sure about accuracy of the car.
I think it was the Red Caboose  RC-1010c?


   
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Friday, March 1, 2019 3:32 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


One thing you can do is get a Red Caboose Mather reefer and put Tichy decals on it.  The Life-Like (Varney) reefer is a Swift prototype though it has been offered in Oscar Mayer lettering. MDC also offered some Oscar Mayer shorty reefers that can be reasonable stand-ins.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Mar 1, 2019 8:50 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Hi All,

I'm looking to start a build project to model refrigerated cars that wore the Oscar Mayer Paint schemes in the mid 1950's
I would like to get your input on the following:

  • Sources for reference material
  • Photos
  • Accurate models or good starting point suggestions.

Thank You,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


Re: D&H Seley hoppers

anthony wagner
 

If it helps my 1-1-50 ORER  still shows 2324 HM steel underframe cars capacity 85000 lbs in that series.  Tony Waagner

On Friday, March 1, 2019, 12:50:52 PM CST, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:



Re: D&H Seley hoppers 
From: Ray Breyer
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 08:42:37 PST 

Hi Don, 

You forgot three groups of rebuilt D&H Seleys covering the 6851-14000 number block. There were 2213 of these cars on the 1/1951 ORER, and they were all gone by 1/1955.

Ray Breyer 
Elgin, IL


    You're right, Ray, and in the January 1938 ORER that group was even larger as it was #6851 - 11450 with
4042 cars claimed. I model 1948 and thus refer to my April 1948 ORER most frequently and in that isse this lot
is hidden below all the newer all steel hoppers and covered hoppers the D&H had purchased. But what a hell 
of a way to run a railroad unless the differen numbering groups were to deliniate the number of hoppers the cars
in a specific group had ot which cars had been rebuilt.  

    Thanks for all your help, Ray, especially the photos sent privately, and thanks to everyone else as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Richard Townsend
 

One thing you can do is get a Red Caboose Mather reefer and put Tichy decals on it.  The Life-Like (Varney) reefer is a Swift prototype though it has been offered in Oscar Mayer lettering. MDC also offered some Oscar Mayer shorty reefers that can be reasonable stand-ins.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Mar 1, 2019 8:50 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Hi All,

I'm looking to start a build project to model refrigerated cars that wore the Oscar Mayer Paint schemes in the mid 1950's
I would like to get your input on the following:

  • Sources for reference material
  • Photos
  • Accurate models or good starting point suggestions.

Thank You,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA