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Re: NRC flat end steel 40' reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


This is my only photo of one with flat plate ends


On 4/1/2020 5:14 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Hello-

I have a composite kit made and sold by Stan Rydarowicz. The kit uses an Intermountain kit of a 40' steel ice bunker reefer with swinging doors. The Intermountain white kit box is labeled "RESIN PARTS NRC 18500-19499 Flat End"; the label positioned over the IM kit label. The Kit has rather brief generic instructions that covers actually a kit with new resin sides, which this one doesn't, but does have a twin raised panel resin roof and a pair of flat riveted ends. There is also a fairly nice plastic Apex style of running board with see-through detail. All of the Intermountain kit parts seem to be present.

My curiosity is compelling me to ask this group for the thoughts of how accurate of a kit for this class of 1000 reefers it is and if a good source of decals is available for it.



Thanks everyone,

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NRC flat end steel 40' reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


hmmm...

On 4/1/2020 5:14 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Hello-

I have a composite kit made and sold by Stan Rydarowicz. The kit uses an Intermountain kit of a 40' steel ice bunker reefer with swinging doors. The Intermountain white kit box is labeled "RESIN PARTS NRC 18500-19499 Flat End"; the label positioned over the IM kit label. The Kit has rather brief generic instructions that covers actually a kit with new resin sides, which this one doesn't, but does have a twin raised panel resin roof and a pair of flat riveted ends. There is also a fairly nice plastic Apex style of running board with see-through detail. All of the Intermountain kit parts seem to be present.

My curiosity is compelling me to ask this group for the thoughts of how accurate of a kit for this class of 1000 reefers it is and if a good source of decals is available for it.



Thanks everyone,

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail kit 4498

lsittler
 

Thanks Ben. I appreciate the info and the reference to the list archives. I have never really been involved with groups like this; so it’s all new to me and I apologize for bringing up “old news”. I’ll keep this in mind in the future. Les
 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 9:20 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io ; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail kit 4498
 
Les Sittler asked:
"The only remaining question I have is, you previously referenced the Don Valentine door and one-half kit- was this to retrofit the steel end cars back before they were rebuilt to 6’ doors or what was the purpose?"
 
The Standard Steel Car Co. (one of Don's New England Rail Service product lines) auxiliary door (conversion parts only, NOT a full kit) is for a kitbash of the Accurail SS boxcar into GTW automobile boxcars first documented by Richard Hendrickson in the April 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal (page 13):
Richard did this first kitbash by cutting up a second model for the auxiliary door - these conversion parts greatly facilitate this project.

Realize that you're new here, but a lot of your questions on the Accurail cars have been discussed before on this list.  You might want to give the list archives a search first.  The search engine isn't terribly great, but it stands a good chance to turn up answers to previous questions.  In this case, several list members have done this project in the past and posted photos and other information.
 
 
Ben Hom

Virus-free. www.avg.com


NRC flat end steel 40' reefers

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I have a composite kit made and sold by Stan Rydarowicz. The kit uses an Intermountain kit of a 40' steel ice bunker reefer with swinging doors. The Intermountain white kit box is labeled "RESIN PARTS NRC 18500-19499 Flat End"; the label positioned over the IM kit label. The Kit has rather brief generic instructions that covers actually a kit with new resin sides, which this one doesn't, but does have a twin raised panel resin roof and a pair of flat riveted ends. There is also a fairly nice plastic Apex style of running board with see-through detail. All of the Intermountain kit parts seem to be present.

My curiosity is compelling me to ask this group for the thoughts of how accurate of a kit for this class of 1000 reefers it is and if a good source of decals is available for it.



Thanks everyone,

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Kadee Shutdown Announced

Schuyler Larrabee
 

That’s one advantage of being a SLOW modeler.  I stand very little risk of running out of 158s.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 1:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kadee Shutdown Announced

 

I just received an email announcement from Kadee that they are shutting down for the duration of the epidemic as they are considered non-essential by the state of Oregon. 

This may mean I will have to re-use all those old #5 couplers I have been replacing once I run  out of #158's.  

Don't Panic and Carry On....
--
Ken Adams


Kadee Shutdown Announced

Ken Adams
 

I just received an email announcement from Kadee that they are shutting down for the duration of the epidemic as they are considered non-essential by the state of Oregon. 

This may mean I will have to re-use all those old #5 couplers I have been replacing once I run  out of #158's.  

Don't Panic and Carry On....
--
Ken Adams


Re: Reading Company 1954 Freight Shippers' Guide

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks!  Made a donation, too.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Reading Company 1954 Freight Shippers' Guide

 

Reading Company 1954 Freight Shippers' Guide

Courtesy of the Reading Modeler:

http://readingmodeler.info/index.php/articles/1954-freight-shippers-guide

Description: "The Reading Company published its "Freight Shippers Guide" for several years. The Guide included a list of all stations on the Reading, and all customers served at those locations. It also included several interesting pieces of information useful to modelers, such as the facilities available at each station (i.e., cranes, cattle pens, etc.) for the shipment and delivery of freight.

While these guides are becoming somewhat rare, we've scanned and PDF'd a copy of the 1954 version of the Guide, and are making it available online as a series of PDF files for your reference.  We hope you find this information useful in your Reading modeling efforts!"

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: End-Loading Poultry Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: End-Loading Poultry Car

It's the first photo in this group from a John Wubbel post in O-Scale Trains Magazine:

http://oscalemag.com/wordpress/ost-forums/ost-2-rail-forums-group2/prototype-modeling-forum6/old-weedy-buys-stock-from-hicks-thread1112.3/

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

John commented, "In my research, it is difficult to come across photos of loading rail cars and the photo below show a poultry car with the ability to load from the ends. The Hicks Car that CGW had during this time period of 1907 I have not seen ends designed for loading the Hicks Cars in that manner. That is not to say they did not exist, I just have not run across any of this time period from Hicks that CGW purchased.

The second photo is another CGW Hicks Car for further historical reference. This shot was taken on the Hanover Railway which was a 2.5 mile line connecting into the CGW from Hanover, IL. just slightly south west of Elizabeth. I like this photo because it shows a slightly different lettering on the side of the car where the company name was stacked words.

The third photo I think is a 1881 drawing of what I believe is 1st class travel not coach for a cow."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Reading Company 1954 Freight Shippers' Guide

Bob Chaparro
 

Reading Company 1954 Freight Shippers' Guide

Courtesy of the Reading Modeler:

http://readingmodeler.info/index.php/articles/1954-freight-shippers-guide

Description: "The Reading Company published its "Freight Shippers Guide" for several years. The Guide included a list of all stations on the Reading, and all customers served at those locations. It also included several interesting pieces of information useful to modelers, such as the facilities available at each station (i.e., cranes, cattle pens, etc.) for the shipment and delivery of freight.

While these guides are becoming somewhat rare, we've scanned and PDF'd a copy of the 1954 version of the Guide, and are making it available online as a series of PDF files for your reference.  We hope you find this information useful in your Reading modeling efforts!"

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 101 Years of Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Official Minute Books and Records on 35 mm Microfilm 1849 to 1950 and C.E. Perkins Papers 1863-1907 Microfilm

Bruce A. Metcalf
 

Charlie,

Thank you for all the responses to my plea....but so far nobody has come up
with any strategy that I haven't tried, retried, and attacked with every
permutation of search terms that I could think of.....
Recently I have used Google Scholar and several other academic research
search engines. I have come up with a number of interesting articles but
none of them lead to the (((#$&(@ online catalog listing that I cannot find.
I have come back to the original article in the Colorado History magazine
and review thereof in American Archivist and several other references but
not the microfilms themselves.
I have tried direct frontal attacks on likely university and other
institution online catalogs but so far nothing is popping up that resembles
the link I lost. Sigh.....
Sounds like it's time for you to employ the services of a reference librarian at an academic library. Try your local universities, or just as your local public library for a recommendation.

Some times you just need professional help!

Cheers,
/ Bruce /


Re: NP 202299 circa 1926

Bob Webber
 

"Honey welcome to your new Home" response is "Wye????"

At 11:08 AM 4/1/2020, you wrote:
NP 202299 circa 1926, retired 2/4/1928 under NP AFE 5088-28.

"Honey welcome to your new Home"

or

Kitbash

-Hudson

Bob Webber


Re: Accurail kit 4498

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Great response Dennis and the photos print out really well for reference as well.

Much appreciated, Don Valentine


NP 202299 circa 1926

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

NP 202299 circa 1926, retired 2/4/1928 under NP AFE 5088-28.

"Honey welcome to your new Home"

or

Kitbash

-Hudson


Sunshine B&O O-59A gondola

Richard Remiarz
 

I just finished assembling a Sunshine O-59A gondola.  Next up is the paint shop.  Thank you Ed a Hawkins for the article in RPC volume 23 on the Bethlehem gondolas.  The instructions only had a single small photo of the prototype.  The article was invaluable while assembling the kit.  

As long as we are sheltering in place, might as well work on the stash of resin kits.  Next up, a Speedwitch NP 50’ boxcar.

Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz
Vadnais Heights, MN


On Apr 1, 2020, at 6:34 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Several modelers shared their hobby progress over a couple of days last week on a few discussion lists. As recent RPM events have been canceled or postponed, these posts were pulled onto the latest blog post to inspire readers to build and create. 


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Accurail kit 4498

Benjamin Hom
 

Les Sittler asked:
"The only remaining question I have is, you previously referenced the Don Valentine door and one-half kit- was this to retrofit the steel end cars back before they were rebuilt to 6’ doors or what was the purpose?"

The Standard Steel Car Co. (one of Don's New England Rail Service product lines) auxiliary door (conversion parts only, NOT a full kit) is for a kitbash of the Accurail SS boxcar into GTW automobile boxcars first documented by Richard Hendrickson in the April 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal (page 13):
Richard did this first kitbash by cutting up a second model for the auxiliary door - these conversion parts greatly facilitate this project.

Realize that you're new here, but a lot of your questions on the Accurail cars have been discussed before on this list.  You might want to give the list archives a search first.  The search engine isn't terribly great, but it stands a good chance to turn up answers to previous questions.  In this case, several list members have done this project in the past and posted photos and other information.


Ben Hom


Re: Accurail kit 4498

Eric Hansmann
 

Door-and-a-half cars of the 1920s were used in automobile service. The doors covered a ten-foot door opening. This was also common on 40- and 36-foot cars built in the Teens.

As the need for taller cars arose, many of the older cars had the half door removed and assigned to general service.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On April 1, 2020 at 6:04 AM lsittler <lsittler@...> wrote:

Hi Dennis- I spent some time last night looking at all this and found the 2 photos you mention on Ian’s site. Also, Black Cat does have decals for the steel end cars and their website shows an excellent build of one of these cars.  It would also appear that the Algoma Central had cars quite similar to the CN steel end cars.The explanation as to the rail end post and photo reference is very helpful. The only remaining question I have is, you previously referenced the Don Valentine door and one-half kit- was this to retrofit the steel end cars back before they were rebuilt to 6’ doors or what was the purpose? Les

From: Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 10:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail kit 4498

I was looking at Ian's web site some more tonight, and have a few corrections:

The resin kit is specifically the CC&F cars, CNR 500000-500223. It turns out Ian's roster has links to photos of some of the cars, and the photo of the ECC built cars shows they lack the fishbelly underframe the CC&F cars had. http://www.nakina.net/photos/cn5/cn500475.jpg

The steel ended cars were the ex GT cars built in 1921, which means after rebuilding to 6' door boxcars they were 461000-463999. Here's a photo: http://www.nakina.net/photos/cn4/cn461935.jpg It doesn't really show the end, but notice that next to the N in national, the center lap of the two part end shows where it comes around the corner. Here's a better photo from the Fallen Flags website:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn461863jpa.jpg

You asked about the rail end post. At some point the CNR decided to beef up the original four post ends by adding a fifth post right at the center. The new post was made of reclaimed rail with its base against the wood sheathing, and shows pretty well in this photo:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn501324g25.jpg
There are hardly any bolts; it was held in place with forged angle brackets riveted to the rail web top and bottom. The center Z posts are 4", so the rail is likely 60 or 65 pound rail, given it was used rail, some head wear would have made it about 4" tall... that would be .046" in HO, and the closest available scale rail would be Code 40.

You can get a good feel for the appearance of the ARA cast steel trucks used, keep in mind the cars are 120,000 Lbs. capacity (yes, 60 tons) so they are pretty hefty trucks.

Hope this answers all your questions.

Dennis Storzek

Virus-free. www.avg.com



Re: Accurail kit 4498

lsittler
 

Hi Dennis- I spent some time last night looking at all this and found the 2 photos you mention on Ian’s site. Also, Black Cat does have decals for the steel end cars and their website shows an excellent build of one of these cars.  It would also appear that the Algoma Central had cars quite similar to the CN steel end cars.The explanation as to the rail end post and photo reference is very helpful. The only remaining question I have is, you previously referenced the Don Valentine door and one-half kit- was this to retrofit the steel end cars back before they were rebuilt to 6’ doors or what was the purpose? Les
 

From: Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 10:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail kit 4498
 
I was looking at Ian's web site some more tonight, and have a few corrections:

The resin kit is specifically the CC&F cars, CNR 500000-500223. It turns out Ian's roster has links to photos of some of the cars, and the photo of the ECC built cars shows they lack the fishbelly underframe the CC&F cars had. http://www.nakina.net/photos/cn5/cn500475.jpg

The steel ended cars were the ex GT cars built in 1921, which means after rebuilding to 6' door boxcars they were 461000-463999. Here's a photo: http://www.nakina.net/photos/cn4/cn461935.jpg It doesn't really show the end, but notice that next to the N in national, the center lap of the two part end shows where it comes around the corner. Here's a better photo from the Fallen Flags website:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn461863jpa.jpg

You asked about the rail end post. At some point the CNR decided to beef up the original four post ends by adding a fifth post right at the center. The new post was made of reclaimed rail with its base against the wood sheathing, and shows pretty well in this photo:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn501324g25.jpg
There are hardly any bolts; it was held in place with forged angle brackets riveted to the rail web top and bottom. The center Z posts are 4", so the rail is likely 60 or 65 pound rail, given it was used rail, some head wear would have made it about 4" tall... that would be .046" in HO, and the closest available scale rail would be Code 40.

You can get a good feel for the appearance of the ARA cast steel trucks used, keep in mind the cars are 120,000 Lbs. capacity (yes, 60 tons) so they are pretty hefty trucks.

Hope this answers all your questions.

Dennis Storzek

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Virtual RPM

Eric Hansmann
 

Several modelers shared their hobby progress over a couple of days last week on a few discussion lists. As recent RPM events have been canceled or postponed, these posts were pulled onto the latest blog post to inspire readers to build and create. 


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Accurail kit 4498

Dennis Storzek
 

I was looking at Ian's web site some more tonight, and have a few corrections:

The resin kit is specifically the CC&F cars, CNR 500000-500223. It turns out Ian's roster has links to photos of some of the cars, and the photo of the ECC built cars shows they lack the fishbelly underframe the CC&F cars had. http://www.nakina.net/photos/cn5/cn500475.jpg

The steel ended cars were the ex GT cars built in 1921, which means after rebuilding to 6' door boxcars they were 461000-463999. Here's a photo: http://www.nakina.net/photos/cn4/cn461935.jpg It doesn't really show the end, but notice that next to the N in national, the center lap of the two part end shows where it comes around the corner. Here's a better photo from the Fallen Flags website:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn461863jpa.jpg

You asked about the rail end post. At some point the CNR decided to beef up the original four post ends by adding a fifth post right at the center. The new post was made of reclaimed rail with its base against the wood sheathing, and shows pretty well in this photo: 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn501324g25.jpg
There are hardly any bolts; it was held in place with forged angle brackets riveted to the rail web top and bottom. The center Z posts are 4", so the rail is likely 60 or 65 pound rail, given it was used rail, some head wear would have made it about 4" tall... that would be .046" in HO, and the closest available scale rail would be Code 40.

You can get a good feel for the appearance of the ARA cast steel trucks used, keep in mind the cars are 120,000 Lbs. capacity (yes, 60 tons) so they are pretty hefty trucks.

Hope this answers all your questions.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Accurail kit 4498

lsittler
 

Thanks to Dennis, Fenton and Tony- your answers plus those on the resin kits IO site were very helpful and I really appreciate it. Les

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From: Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail kit 4498

Fenton Wells wrote:

Try Black Cat decals he’s has excellent north of the border decal selections
Black Cat Decals are excellent products. I have been VERY impressed with them.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com







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