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Decal mystery

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

To recap: I messed up part of my Tichy decal set for my PMcK&Y box.
I emailed Tichy, he sent out a (free) replacement within a few days,
very commendable service.
Now that I got around to applying the decal, I ran into an odd
problem. In spite of a coat of Micro Gloss, using Micro Set when
applying the decal, this particular decal is not "disappearing" like
the rest. Is this a bad batch, perhaps? This is just the road
name/number, the rest of the side is from the previous decal set BUT
applied at the same time, using the same methods, same dish to soak the
decals in, etc. There appears to be a tan/grey background, even though
I applied two or three applications of Micro Sol in the past few days.
I tried pricking little holes to let any Micro Sol behind the decal.
Is this perhaps glue behind the decal? I also lettered two other cars
the same day, and had no similar problems.
Should I try to remove the offending decal and start over with the
remaining road name/number from the set? Or, am I likely to have the
same problem?
How does one remove a decal without stripping the whole side?
Dean Payne


Re: mystery box car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"Can you identify the steel box car in the 3rd row from the bottom,
that appears to be nearly new (coupled to a yellow reefer towards
the right)? In the 137MB file I can read "Southern" but that is
the only visible lettering... and it has the "PS-0" style ends!
AFAIK Southern did not own any "PS-0" cars."
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34800/1a34810v.jpg

Not "Southern", but "Kansas City Southern". See Nick Muff's "KCS
Baggage and Express Cars" in the August 2001 issue of Mainline Modeler
for more information on their pre-war Pullman 50 ft boxcars.


Ben Hom


klassing lever bake for penn G30 gon

Justin Turpin <birdbiz2003@...>
 

Which companies make a good Klassing lever brake as a detail part in HO suitable for the Pennsylvania RR War Emergency G30 gons.


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Re: Who Are These Guys?

John Degnan <RailScaler@...>
 

Anyone know if Bob's Photo has an e-mail contact?


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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: August 22, 2005 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Who Are These Guys?


Shawn,

The answer is:

Bob Liljistrand
Bob's Photo
37 Spring St
Ansonia Ct 06401
203-734-6666

The man has 10,000's of photos and from many roads. Write with your interests and you will get a response. Length of time depends on how long the list; rule of thumb---keep it short !

Fred Freitas
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Who Are These Guys?


Fellow Listers,

This photo was taken at the annual railroadiana show in
Gaithersburg, Maryland last year. Notice what's for sale
on the table in front of them:

http://www.railroadiana.org/Shows_gburg04/img_Photos.jpg

So who are these guys, and how extensive is their collection?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


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mystery box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Can you identify the steel box car in the 3rd row from the bottom,
that appears to be nearly new (coupled to a yellow reefer towards
the right)? In the 137MB file I can read "Southern" but that is
the only visible lettering... and it has the "PS-0" style ends!
AFAIK Southern did not own any "PS-0" cars.

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34800/1a34810v.jpg


Re: Scale Weights - Doubt It

Eric
 

Tom Jones wrote:

"My focus was more on simulation of scale momentum of models,..."

Isn't that what electronic throttles are for?

About eighteen years ago when I was doing a penny of hard time at Weber State University [then
college] I was part of the operating group at the local dynatrol dealer's layout. I had my first
experience with momentum throttles. Where's the emergency brake? Where's the emergency brake!
WHERE"S THE @#$%$#@ING EMERGENCY BRAKE!!! Luckily back then I could run faster than an Athearn
locomotive at scale speed and applied the manual brake AKA as picking the loco off the track thus
avoiding a cornfield meet. Model railroading is fun.

After all it's bad form to crash your host's trains into one another. ;-)


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Re: Who Are these Guys

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Bob was quite lucky that people waiting for him that day at Springfield.
He had gone out to bring in his vehicle to unload his boxes of
pictures. He had moved his vehicle and had gotten out to do something
when he slipped on ice that was under the snow in the parking lot. When
he did not show, his helpers came out to see what was holding him up and
found him lying on the ground. They put him in the vehicle where he
rested his head against the window. It wasn't until he got out, that he
realized how serious the damage was and that the window was full of
blood where he had propped his head. His companions took him to the
hospital, where he was admitted with a skull fracture.

He told me that who knows what may have become him had his people not
realized that he had not come back in and went looking for him. It is
certainly good to hear that he continues to make progress as he has had
a tough time of it since the accident.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

drgwm64 wrote:

Well... isn't THAT special. My reply to my reply came before my reply
to the original.

In answer to one note - he didn't "hurt himself", he slipped on ice on
a sidewalk at the Springfield Mass. show and fractured his skull -
among other things. The organizing organization and the site did
nothing for him - not even a get weel card.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bob Webber <no17@c...> wrote:


At 10:41 PM 8/22/2005, Bob Webber wrote:


As has been noted, this is Bob's Photos. (btw, this was not a
large show for him; nor did he take a usual inventory or full van)

BTW, for those interested in such things - Bob is now walking without
a cane (having broken the last of 3) - he was doing this show
(Collinsville) and the previous one in Atlanta by himself. It's been
a long slow recovery and there are obvious issues still, but at least
he's allowed out by himself (though I'm not so sure that is a *good*
thing). I'm somewhat happy the wedding party didn't arrive until
after he left or it might have been hard getting him out of there.


Bob Webber






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Re: M&StL 50 fters

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Robert is correct regarding Weirton, West Virginia and Weirton Steel Corporation. Up until the mid- 1980's, it was the largest employer in West Virginia.. Weirton Jct. Block and Interlocking Station was located on the Panhandle Division Main Line at MP41.2 (as measured from Penn Station, Pittsburgh) and was a 24 Hr. staffed office. It controlled the Remote Interlockings at "CO" (Collier) at MP35 where two tracks spread became four (two were inbound and outbound running tracks due to the large amount of traffic produced by the yard and branches at Weirton Jct.), "NC" at MP39.8, and "SB" at MP41.7. "NC" was the junction of the New Cumberland Branch and also the east end of Weirton Jct. Yard, whereas "SC" was the west end of Weirton Jct. Yard and also the Main Line connecting point for the Wheeling Branch going to Wheeling, West Virginia. The yard was used to serve the branches and the PRR's largest customer in the area, Weirton Steel.

Weirton Steel received large numbers of cars loaded with iron ore, limestone, coal and coke. You can imagine the large amounts of raw materials moving to and finished products moving from the Mill, in addition to the large amounts of materials and finished products moving to and from the New Cumberland and Wheeling Branches.

Weirton Steel is now part of the International Steel Group and is known as ISG Weirton, Inc. They are continuing to make the products which Weirton steel was famous for in the time period that is covered by the STMFC. The principal flat rolled products are hot-rolled, cold-rolled, coated sheets, and tin products for the service center, container, construction, and appliance markets. ISG Weirton has an annual production capability of 2.4 million tons, of continuously cast steel. The name has changed, but they still are there doing what they have since the early part of the last century.

For those interested in the Panhandle Division, the Division history can be found in the PRRT&HS publication "The Keystone," Vol. 23, No. 4 (Winter 1990) , Vol. 27, No. 1 (Spring 1994), No. 2 (Summer 1994), and No. 3 (Winter, 1994).

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, Wetst Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
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Carrock1998@aol.com wrote:

Clark,

I did a bit of searching around for you. Discovered that Weirton Junction was 41 miles from Pittsburg and was part of PRR main line between Pittsburg and Columbus. It was roughly 150 miles from Columbus. It had an interlocking station that was operated continously. Besides controlling its own interlocking it controlled the following locations as well:

COWEIRTON JCT.
NCWEIRTON JCT.
SBWEIRTON JCT.

CO was located 5.2 miles to the east. NC was located 1.3 miles to the east. SB was located 0.7 a mile to the west.

You might want to check out the Railmodel Journal January 2004 issue. There is a Bill Neale 22 x 25-foot two-deck “Panhandle” at Weirton Junction model layout. Perhaps that will shed some light on it for you.

I don't have the above issue or I would look it up for you.

I believe there is a steel plant located there called Weirton Steel, but I'm not 100% certain on that.

That's the best help I can provide you with. HOpefully, it is a start.

Robert "Rocky" Jackson


In a message dated 8/22/2005 11:29:02 AM Central Standard Time, cepropst@netconx.net writes:
Saturday I bought photos of M&StL 2900 and 2902 from Joe Collias. These are PS1 50' box cars with 8' doors and DF loaders blt in 59. The photos were taken at Alameda CA in 1960. The cars are stenciled: WHEN EMPTY RETURN TO PRR WEIRTON W VA. Does anyone know what Weirton had that Alameda might have wanted??
Thanks,
Clark Propst







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Re: Who Are these Guys

drgwm64 <no17@...>
 

Well... isn't THAT special. My reply to my reply came before my reply
to the original.

In answer to one note - he didn't "hurt himself", he slipped on ice on
a sidewalk at the Springfield Mass. show and fractured his skull -
among other things. The organizing organization and the site did
nothing for him - not even a get weel card.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bob Webber <no17@c...> wrote:
At 10:41 PM 8/22/2005, Bob Webber wrote:
As has been noted, this is Bob's Photos. (btw, this was not a
large show for him; nor did he take a usual inventory or full van)
BTW, for those interested in such things - Bob is now walking without
a cane (having broken the last of 3) - he was doing this show
(Collinsville) and the previous one in Atlanta by himself. It's been
a long slow recovery and there are obvious issues still, but at least
he's allowed out by himself (though I'm not so sure that is a *good*
thing). I'm somewhat happy the wedding party didn't arrive until
after he left or it might have been hard getting him out of there.


Bob Webber


Re: M&StL 50 fters

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

-----Original Message-----

Clark;
Weirton Steel, which the PRR switched, was a division of National Steel
during that period. Weirton made coke, pig, and steel, but they were also a
huge producer of tin plate, both electrolytic and hot dipped.
This was used extensively as can stock.

There seem to have been a number of boxcars stenciled with that label.
Among them an insulated set of X53s on the PRR set up exclusively for
Weirton Steel (also DF-equipped). They are said to have been reserved for
coil on pallets, although I do not know their ultimate destination.

Weather-protected coil strip was also used extensively in appliance
manufacture, as well as the larger coils you more typically associate with
the auto industry.

Elden Gatwood


-----Reply-----

Yeah, tin plate is a possible item. It's a highly profitable item and on
occasion was known to travel great distances. But by and large tin plate
went to can factories, not canneries, and while there were two can factories
within spitting distance of Alameda, neither is on the island -- that is to
say SP would have switched them out of Oakland. The other consideration
against tin plate is Columbia Steel, over in Pittsburg CA, a very large tin
plate producer, is only 50 or so miles away from Alameda.

Anyone who is curious about this business should look for _Tin Cans and Tin
Plate_ by McKie.

Perhaps a more reasonable suggestion might be in either structural steel or
steel plate destined for the navy. There were a couple naval warehouses on
the waterfront in Alameda and it's possible such items went thru there and
not the huge Naval Supply Center on the opposite shore in West Oakland.

Dave Nelson


Re: Who Are these Guys

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

At 10:41 PM 8/22/2005, Bob Webber wrote:
As has been noted, this is Bob's Photos. (btw, this was not a large show for him; nor did he take a usual inventory or full van)
BTW, for those interested in such things - Bob is now walking without a cane (having broken the last of 3) - he was doing this show (Collinsville) and the previous one in Atlanta by himself. It's been a long slow recovery and there are obvious issues still, but at least he's allowed out by himself (though I'm not so sure that is a *good* thing). I'm somewhat happy the wedding party didn't arrive until after he left or it might have been hard getting him out of there.


Bob Webber


Re: M&StL 50 fters

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Ah, yes, Tony, that's right, of course. I DID move away from the Bay area in '76, so things are a
bit misty sometimes, just like the fog . . .

SGL

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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:15 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] M&StL 50 fters

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Many good suggestions, I think Weirton Steel is likely, but as a
consignee, what about the naval shipyard in Alameda? That
wouldn't be
canstock, I suspect.
Naval Air Station. The shipyards were in Mare Island
and Hunters Point.

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Who Are these Guys

Bob Webber <no17@...>
 

As has been noted, this is Bob's Photos. (btw, this was not a large show for him; nor did he take a usual inventory or full van)

Bob is going to about 40-44 shows this year - all east of the Mississippi. He was at the Collinsville RPM last week, he will be at the Naperville RPM. He will be at Gaithersburg again. He only brings the bulk of his collection to the Springfield Mass. show - the other shows see only about a quarter or less. Now, bear in mind that he takes this stuff with him in a Ford 350 van - as Ben can attest, this is not the work of light weights to pack and unpack said van. Photos weigh a bit - all of which is to say - if you plan on going where he will be, you *must* call before hand and make sure he brings the binders you want. Yes, in most cases, it will be multiple 4" binders of 8x10's.

He also has slides and smaller prints. He has over 100K prints - just picked up 20K collection in the past month.

Shawn, I know you're not going to like to hear this but.... if you want photos of the Southwest and such you are going to have to go East (counterintuitive, I'll grant you, but there you are). Joe Colias has tons of photos as well. If you want to get photos either Naperville or Cocoa Beach are the best bets. Or the College of DuPage show (Railroadania). All depends on what you are looking for. The Dupage show has the most vendors (including Bob, the Grubers, and others that I can't think of at the moment). Gaithersburg isn't the best for photos, Bob should be there along with Jim Shaw. Also there are usually some with smaller collections of smaller photos, and a couple with slides (but more modern stuff).

I can personally tell you with not a little first hand knowledge - Bob has over 300 binders with rolling stock, 200 with passenger cars and more than that with steam and diesel (each).

Now, I was able to find a real nice shot of Southern 1380 (in color yet) that I had not hoped to find, and found some other nice finds - I likely could have - should have - gotten more from Joe since he said he wouldn't be at Naperville this year.

There are benefits to putting up with four real seasons...

At 10:18 PM 8/22/2005, you wrote:
Message: 15
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:19:12 -0700
From: "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@disney.com>
Subject: Who Are These Guys?

Fellow Listers,

This photo was taken at the annual railroadiana show in
Gaithersburg, Maryland last year. Notice what's for sale
on the table in front of them:

http://www.railroadiana.org/Shows_gburg04/img_Photos.jpg

So who are these guys, and how extensive is their collection?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert
Bob Webber


Re: M&StL 50 fters

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

-----Original Message-----

Saturday I bought photos of M&StL 2900 and 2902 from Joe Collias. These
are PS1 50' box cars with 8' doors and DF loaders blt in 59. The photos were
taken at Alameda CA in 1960. The cars are stenciled: WHEN EMPTY RETURN TO
PRR WEIRTON W VA. Does anyone know what Weirton had that Alameda might have
wanted??
Thanks,
Clark Props

-----reply---------

IIRC Alameda had a US Steel facility that made drums, Pacific Clay Products
(possibly bathroom ceramics), Stokley-Van Campe Foods (cannery), the Naval
Air Base, and at one time the Bethleham Shipyards. Aside from the navy, I'm
not sure who was still there in 1960.

Dave Nelson


Re: CGW Ore

Douglas Harding <d.harding@...>
 

Clark I though the M&StL got the ore from the CGW at Marshalltown and took
it to Momouth Ill where it was given to the CB&Q for delivery to Granite
City.

Douglas Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com


Re: Who Are These Guys?

Pete Brown \(YahooGroups\) <YahooLists@...>
 

That's Bob from Bob's photos. His last name is something positively
unspellable (Llejestrand or something like that).



Besides all the photos, he has several books. I grew up in Worcester, MA[1],
so his "Steam Action in Worcester" (or something like that) is a favorite or
mine.



Bob is from Massachusetts (Framingham, IIRC) and doesn't attend quite as
many shows as he used to. He hurt him self a couple years back. He's a great
guy and always willing to help out a regular.



I have probably sunk about $500 into Bob's photos over the past few years,
and that is not even making a dent into the Western Maryland Railway photos
he has. Apparently the Springfield, MA show is the only show he brings his
entire collection to. That being said, when he comes down to Timonium
Maryland, he still fills an entire box truck. His collection is just
enormous.



[1] http://www.irritatedVowel.com/Railroad/Why.aspx



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Beckert, Shawn
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:19 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Who Are These Guys?



Fellow Listers,

This photo was taken at the annual railroadiana show in
Gaithersburg, Maryland last year. Notice what's for sale
on the table in front of them:

http://www.railroadiana.org/Shows_gburg04/img_Photos.jpg

So who are these guys, and how extensive is their collection?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


Re: Who Are These Guys? - Bob's Photos

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Beckert, Shawn wrote:
This photo was taken at the annual railroadiana show in
Gaithersburg, Maryland last year. Notice what's for sale
on the table in front of them:
So who are these guys, and how extensive is their collection?
Shawn, if you would come to Naperville (as if) you would sure know these binders.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: M&StL 50 fters

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Many good suggestions, I think Weirton Steel is likely, but as a consignee, what about the naval
shipyard in Alameda? That wouldn't be canstock, I suspect.
Naval Air Station. The shipyards were in Mare Island and Hunters Point.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: M&StL 50 fters

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Many good suggestions, I think Weirton Steel is likely, but as a consignee, what about the naval
shipyard in Alameda? That wouldn't be canstock, I suspect.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:29 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] M&StL 50 fters

Saturday I bought photos of M&StL 2900 and 2902 from Joe
Collias. These are PS1 50' box cars with 8' doors and DF
loaders blt in 59. The photos were taken at Alameda CA in
1960. The cars are stenciled: WHEN EMPTY RETURN TO PRR
WEIRTON W VA. Does anyone know what Weirton had that Alameda
might have wanted??
Thanks,
Clark Propst





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Re: Who Are These Guys?

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Shawn,

The answer is:

Bob Liljistrand
Bob's Photo
37 Spring St
Ansonia Ct 06401
203-734-6666

The man has 10,000's of photos and from many roads. Write with your interests and you will get a response. Length of time depends on how long the list; rule of thumb---keep it short !

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
From: Beckert, Shawn
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Who Are These Guys?


Fellow Listers,

This photo was taken at the annual railroadiana show in
Gaithersburg, Maryland last year. Notice what's for sale
on the table in front of them:

http://www.railroadiana.org/Shows_gburg04/img_Photos.jpg

So who are these guys, and how extensive is their collection?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


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