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Re: Photo: Freight Yard At The West Bottoms

Eric Hansmann
 

Wasn’t this photo once used on the cover of Mainline Modeler?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Yard At The West Bottoms

 

Photo: Freight Yard At The West Bottoms

A 1932 photo from the Kansas City Public Library:

https://pendergastkc.org/collection/9130/20003568/west-bottoms-kersey-coates-drive/30274

Caption: "An autochrome photograph of the West Bottoms and Kansas City Stock Yards as seen looking west from Kersey Coates Drive at its intersection with Beardsley Road, just north of 17th Street. This vantage point shows the St. Louis & San Francisco Railroad in the foreground and the Kansas City Live Stock Exchange Building in the left background."

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: PRR F34 flat

Bruce Smith
 

Dave,

Some resources:
TKM 104 - http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm  this is an article by Chuck Cover kit bashing the Bachmann car, but it will show you gross brake locations. 

TKM 108 - My article on etched decks. Not much about brakes here, but if you look at the deck drawings, you can see the mounting bolts for what I believe is the AB valve.

The PRRT&HS flat car book - http://www.prrths.com/estore/index_books.html
Sadly, the shots in that book are mostly dark about the underbody.


Based on looking at the photos online (above) it looks like Chuck has his cylinder mounted too high on the bolster and he needs to add a reservoir to the bolster.

And, of course, you need a full set of brake hardware on each end.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Boss <daveboss1976@...>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:20 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR F34 flat
 
Hello Guy's
                   I'm currently building a F&C PRR F34 flat car. The instructions are very vague about the placement of brake components. If anyone has any info on the placement of the brake parts I would deeply appreciate this as I'm at a stand still with this car. I know some of the parts are to be installed on the span bolsters but I'm not sure of their placement. Thank's

Good Day
Dave


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/19/2020 10:17 AM, rdgbuff56 via Groups.Io wrote:
Maybe someone could post a few photos.

    My dealer says his shipment should arrive next week.  Then he has to ship to me.  I will post a shot of my C&O if nobody has posted before.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


PRR F34 flat

Dave Boss
 

Hello Guy's
                   I'm currently building a F&C PRR F34 flat car. The instructions are very vague about the placement of brake components. If anyone has any info on the placement of the brake parts I would deeply appreciate this as I'm at a stand still with this car. I know some of the parts are to be installed on the span bolsters but I'm not sure of their placement. Thank's

Good Day
Dave


Photo: Freight Yard At The West Bottoms

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Freight Yard At The West Bottoms

A 1932 photo from the Kansas City Public Library:

https://pendergastkc.org/collection/9130/20003568/west-bottoms-kersey-coates-drive/30274

Caption: "An autochrome photograph of the West Bottoms and Kansas City Stock Yards as seen looking west from Kersey Coates Drive at its intersection with Beardsley Road, just north of 17th Street. This vantage point shows the St. Louis & San Francisco Railroad in the foreground and the Kansas City Live Stock Exchange Building in the left background."

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Yellow NC&StL 2-Bay Hopper. . .

Bill Welch
 

. . .that's not right. Well no but it is just primer. Following up on George Toman's lead I primed my Tichy kit NC&StL USRA hopper copy w/Stynylrez Neutral Yellow prior to shooting it with Modelflex Oxide Red. The yellow really shows off the various improvements: properly shaped Sill Steps using A-Line parts; train line and brackets; NBW's added to the grab irons on the left ends of the sides; and reduced thickness bolster ends visible on the sides. On the ends NBW's have been added for the ladder grabs, end sill grabs and right side grabs; .005 styrene to create brake shaft support; NBW to the tp of the brake wheel; and Precision Scale Retainer valve and .010 wire for its air line.

Bill Welch


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Allen Cain
 

Unfortunately all I found on the K4 Ebay listing were for hoppers and gondolas.  No boxcars.

And ProtoCraft while it has an extensive line of 1:48 have only a few HO scale and none for TC Boxcars.  But I did send them an email encouraging them to consider expanding their HO line.  After all, they already have the artwork.

Maybe others could email them also?

Allen Cain


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Richard Townsend
 

Stan Rydarowicz offered a TC box car with decals. Whoever ended up with Stan's materials after he died might have a supply of the decals, but I don't know who that might be. I suspect there is someone on this list who does know.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR



Re: Adjusting the gondola fleet

Jim Betz
 


  ... perhaps the best thing to do is to make up your own mind about how
much equipment you will/will not have ... and then adjust if your find your
crews complaining ... several ways to "adjust" that may/may not involve
changing out which cars you will/will not have on your layout.
                                                                                                      - Jim


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

 

Your link doesn't work (it's doubled for some reason). Try this one:

 

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20

 

Thanks!

--

 

Brian Ehni

 

On 3/19/20, 6:15 PM, "Richard Brennan" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io on behalf of rbrennan@...> wrote:

 

    Protocraft has them in 1:48...

    <https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20>https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20

    

    ...but they seem to be doing some sets in 1:87.1

    as well.  Perhaps an inquiry there?

   

    --------------------

    Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA

    --------------------

   

    At 02:19 PM 3/19/2020, Allen Cain wrote:

    >I am looking for a set of HO scale decals for a

    >Tennessee Central Boxcar in the 7900-7999 series

    >that would be appropriate for 1955.  If you

    >have any, please let me know off list.

    >I know that Campbell Road made a set of dry

    >transfers WT-29 but I believe these to be the

    >later block lettering scheme but do not have a set to check.

    >

    >Or if you know of a source, I would appreciate getting the lead from you.

   

    

    

    

   

    


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

A good friend hired on one of the local plants around 1950. He said they were using cloth sacks at the time and remembered vividly how the sacks were cleaned and repaired. He said they switched to paper in the early 50s. I wrote something up on this, maybe with closer dates in an article in the Nov 08 RMC.

I've attached a excel sheet with some sack loads from waybills. I haven't seen the waybills, just given the info.
CW Propst


Re: Flattening resin parts

Lester Breuer
 

Eric a new method to add to the traditional oven method.  Thanks.
Lester Breuer


Flattening resin parts

Eric Hansmann
 

I recently had to flatten a few parts for a resin boxcar kit. I've posted an outline of the process on my blog.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

O Fenton Wells
 

You also might want to try Jim King as he may have a set or two left for the TC boxcar kits he manufactured
Fenton

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 5:41 AM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Allen got to eBay on the "my eBay" page and type in Tennessee Central in the search box and a bunch of decals for TC will come up by a company called K4 out of Dayton OH.  No boxcar but hopper and gon that you may be able to make work.  Check them out
Fenton

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 7:15 PM Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...> wrote:
Protocraft has them in 1:48...
<https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20>https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20

...but they seem to be doing some sets in 1:87.1
as well.  Perhaps an inquiry there?

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 02:19 PM 3/19/2020, Allen Cain wrote:
>I am looking for a set of HO scale decals for a
>Tennessee Central Boxcar in the 7900-7999 series
>that would be appropriate for 1955.  If you
>have any, please let me know off list.
>I know that Campbell Road made a set of dry
>transfers WT-29 but I believe these to be the
>later block lettering scheme but do not have a set to check.
>
>Or if you know of a source, I would appreciate getting the lead from you.







--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Allen got to eBay on the "my eBay" page and type in Tennessee Central in the search box and a bunch of decals for TC will come up by a company called K4 out of Dayton OH.  No boxcar but hopper and gon that you may be able to make work.  Check them out
Fenton

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 7:15 PM Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...> wrote:
Protocraft has them in 1:48...
<https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20>https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20

...but they seem to be doing some sets in 1:87.1
as well.  Perhaps an inquiry there?

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 02:19 PM 3/19/2020, Allen Cain wrote:
>I am looking for a set of HO scale decals for a
>Tennessee Central Boxcar in the 7900-7999 series
>that would be appropriate for 1955.  If you
>have any, please let me know off list.
>I know that Campbell Road made a set of dry
>transfers WT-29 but I believe these to be the
>later block lettering scheme but do not have a set to check.
>
>Or if you know of a source, I would appreciate getting the lead from you.







--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Barry Bennett
 

Beware of the Protocraft decals as these are for a refurbished/rebuilt version with steel running boards and a diagonal panel roof.

Barry Bennett, UK.

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 23:15, Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...> wrote:
Protocraft has them in 1:48...
<https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20>https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20

...but they seem to be doing some sets in 1:87.1
as well.  Perhaps an inquiry there?

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 02:19 PM 3/19/2020, Allen Cain wrote:
>I am looking for a set of HO scale decals for a
>Tennessee Central Boxcar in the 7900-7999 series
>that would be appropriate for 1955.  If you
>have any, please let me know off list.
>I know that Campbell Road made a set of dry
>transfers WT-29 but I believe these to be the
>later block lettering scheme but do not have a set to check.
>
>Or if you know of a source, I would appreciate getting the lead from you.






Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Wood gondola, and twin hopper from K4 if that is any good to you?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=tennessee+central+decal+k4&_sacat=0
--
Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Garth and all,

   For what it's worth it is pager #329 from the 1937 Car Nuilders Cyclopedia, teh 14th edition. I also have
the 13th edition from 1931 which is devoid of any sort of covered hopper. It has more different gondolas,
however, than one could ever imagine!

Cordially, Don Valentine



Re: Adjusting the gondola fleet

np328
 

  After reading all the later comments, I find myself agreeing with Brian Carlson, very strongly.   

The reasoning:  Read Schuyler's comment of the 1:51 post, the lower part in blue. 

Or here: I kept seeing the very same Erie Lackawanna gondola being switched into a steel fabricating plant next door, week after week after week.  

 

Can I rephrase that into: On this big railroad in this big country, I saw this same car week after week.  I ask - What are the odds? 

 Or somewhat like when Rick Blain stated Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine.”  

See the dichotomy? And that is real life, because of the extreme odds, we notice it.

 And Tony states this can be fully prototypical.   And I concur with all of that.  I do.  I have read AFE’s for a handful of cars to be purchased to serve in captive service.

OK, here is part two.  Folks in a small town will run into people they know more often than folks in a large town will. It is simple mathematics.

And it does not happen because it is a big world, which it is, it more over happens because the odds in the small town overwhelm the odds of the world at large.*  

So: A large layout you will eventually see the same car and maybe you will have forgotten, however the third time it happens?   We do not have an empty supermarket of space in which to model.  

Are you trying to portray your railroad as a part of a larger world?    

On a smaller railroad, the odds of seeing the same car become apparent sooner than later. However on a larger layout, and Schuyler noted this “with that spacing out of the sessions  and I can think right now of about five cars that show up randomly, every four or five months, when they show up in the yard, I don’t have to look at the waybill – I know what train I should put it in.” 

The moment of awareness that suddenly – the layout is smaller because of these same cars appear – never goes away, the odds of it are just delayed.

Again - Are you trying to portray your railroad as a part of a larger world? Then after a lot of research, and taking the time to model interchanges, and place distant names on waybills, why do actions* to oppose that?    

What got me thinking about all this?     Schuyler's comment: Much more engaging of brain and pleasure.    That is what we all hope would be said about our layout, either built or dreamed.

And the way there follows with what Brian has been espousing.                          Jim Dick – Roseville, MN


Re: D&RGW 65500 SS 1.5 door car

Scott
 

Denver Public Library shows a new roof drawing from September 1933 so they might have got a new roof after that date.  Unfortunately they don't show a General Arrangement drawing of it.  Maybe the Colorado Railroad Museum has it in their collection.  There is a Hand Brakes drawing from 1941 so maybe that's when they got AB brakes but hard to say without seeing the drawing.

Scott McDonald

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