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Re: Boxcar Interior Door Color

Todd Sullivan
 

Well, I never imagined that my droll post about lettering the inside of boxcars, truck sideframes, etc., would result in so many posts.  They kept me laughing all day - thanks!!

It seems that a lot more humor has been posted here and in other Web haunts over the past 2-3 weeks.  Do you suppose we are rediscovering humor and finding that being a bit goofy now and then is OK?  I mean, we don't always have to be politically correct and 100% accurate, do we?

Todd Sullivan
(with fingers in ears)



 


Re: Boxcar Interior Door Color

 

Jim,
  "dark"... yep... works for me. Quite funny but very valid. In the end... does anyone really care? Who among the nit pickers would challenge you... let them provide proof. Just sayin'...

Wow... I need to get out and smell fresh air.

Gordon Spalty


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Structure progress for my new railroad

Jared Harper
 

I am going to be going through my large supply of Tichy, Grandt, Walthers, and BHSanta Fe depot windows and doors  because I don't have any more structures to build.  I also have a lot of Westerfield grabirons that I won't need.  If interested I will  sell for a good price.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:32 PM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
Here's a better photo of Jason's elevator and the real one.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 4:37 PM
To: Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Proto-Layouts] Structure progress for my new railroad

Clark, please tell Jason I think his elevators are awesome. 
Tom Johnson
Saint Cloud, Florida




1/16 x 1/16 brass angle stock

Barry Kenner
 

Hello Group,
       Would anyone know of a source for 1/16”x 1/16” brass angle stock. Thank you for your help. Barry 


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Definitely Farmall's Garth of either the "H" of "M" variety and I'd lean more toward the latter. Could it be that 
the green version did not sell for Walthers so they're having a sale t move them out? I believe it has been
mentioned here before that Tractor Supply has some small tractors for $5 or less each that are not bad and
are close if not HO scale. I particularly like their small crawler which reminds me of an Oliver OC-4 that I used 
to operate when either logging or sugaring during my frequent visits to our old neighbor's after my folks sold
the farm. With a six way blade and winch on the back the OC-4 was a wonderful machine, especially for 
pulling St.J. & L.C.RR president Lew Putnam out of a 4 ft. snow drift he tried to drive his Jeep Gladiator 
through to get to the sugarhouse one spring.

Happy Spring, Don Valentine


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Nelson Moyer
 

That was the Moline plant I was referring to.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of earlyrail
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 7:02 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

 

All I could offer is that John Deere has a plant just across the river from Davenport, IA which MIGHT have influenced Iowa farmers?

 

Allen Cain

 

With the main John Deere plant being in Waterloo, Iowa

 

Howard Garner

 


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Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

earlyrail
 

All I could offer is that John Deere has a plant just across the river from Davenport, IA which MIGHT have influenced Iowa farmers?

Allen Cain

With the main John Deere plant being in Waterloo, Iowa

Howard Garner


Re: C&NW "Route of the 400"

Jack Mullen
 

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 06:21 PM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
Someone raised the question earlier this week of when the C&NW began using the 
"Route of the 400" slogan on box cars. While perusing my 1940 CarBuilders for something
else today I ran across a photo of C&NW boxcar #105598 built in Jan. 1940 clearly
displaying the slogan.
Lest there be confusion, this is a different, and earlier, form of "400" slogan used by the C&NW. Tony's original question was about the slogan  "Route of the '400' Streamliners" - note the addition of the last word - which as I  responded  in my previous post, appeared on 1949 PS-1s. In hindsight I probably should have put that slogan into my response rather than just referencing Tony's question.

Jack Mullen
 


Re: Boxcar Interior Door Color

Jim Gates
 

I would say that if, on a moderately to bright sunny day, you were looking at a boxcar with one open door from 87 feet away (12 inches in HO), the the color of the interior would be .. dark.

Jim Gates

On Friday, April 17, 2020, 09:54:29 AM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


    I have worked around, in or for railroads for well over fifty years and have never seen a boxcar
in which the inside of the door was painted in any color other than that with which the exterior of 
the car was painted, almost always a shade of brown. As far as the wood lining is concerned
other than the inside of a milk car I've never seen a car in which the wood lining was painted at all.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR loads

Bob Webber
 

There were others,, and really nice tie down examples.... I was too lazy and in a hurry to do individuals... Glad something came of it!

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On Apr 17, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Re: Boxcar Interior Door Color

Bob Webber
 

Even on otw clean cars too.  For obvious reasons.   In the fwiw department, the standard steel car stenciling drawings show all those areas... Inside eaves, doors, reservoirs, trucks, etc.

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On Apr 17, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Schuyler Larrabee  wrote:

. . . but we need to speak to you about those trucks and the markings on the air reservoirs . . .


    I only do the reservoir lettering when the reservoir is pretty visible, and not always even then -- on the foundation that prototype photos usually show reservoirs VERY dirty and all but impossible to discern lettering.

Tony Thompson




Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Jim Ogden
 

What I remember back in Louisiana was even in the 1970s was a lot depended on the local dealer, their mechanics, how quickly could you get parts, and how easy it was to get credit. By that time manufacturers were taking over the finance operations for buying tractors but it varied from town by town Still some families were loyal IH owners while others were John Deere fanatics ever since they retired their mules for Johnny Poppers. Like a Ford vs. Chevy thing.

I’d look in city directories and see who the local dealers were.

I think a commercial decal set with all sorts of IH/McCormick Deering, J.I. Case, Ford, and Massy Ferguson logos would be great to have

Jim Ogden


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR loads

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Don,
   I was referring to Farmall M and MD (diesel) as well as John Deere model 50's. 
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR loads

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Doug,
    Thanks for the loading diagrams. I find it interesting to see that the tractors were fastened to each other with stranded cable in a addition to cabled to the stake pockets.
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR loads

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Thanks Bruce, I kind of thought so. Yes, the Farmall M's are quite large so diagonal seems feasible. There's a picture on line I saw with a dock right alongside the flat car, so maybe a couple short planks would make unloading easy from the diagonal position.
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Chuck,

I presume you are talking about this puppy: https://www.walthers.com/farm-tractor-2-pack-assembled-red . Definitely a Farmall, by the Lowey-design grill and the swoosh above the engine. I don't know enough about tractors to say is this an accurate model, and if so, what series it is from.

Curiously, or perhaps not so curiously knowing Walthers, the also offer the same tractor in green: https://www.walthers.com/farm-tractor-2-pack-assembled-green .


Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 6:03 PM Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:
I see that Walthers has some sort of red farm tractor.  Not being well-informed,
I cannot identify the brand or type, only the color.  They do not appear to have 
any brand markings on them.
Can someone identify the brand and model of these?
Chuck Peck

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 5:32 PM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
All I could offer is that John Deere has a plant just across the river from Davenport, IA which MIGHT have influenced Iowa farmers?

Allen Cain


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Steve and Barb Hile
 

John Deere builds combines, planters and tillage equipment, etc. in the Illinois Quad Cities (home town).  But John Deere's main tractor plant was in Waterloo, Iowa.
 
International Harvester built the Farmall tractors in Rock Island and its combines at East Moline, both plants sat literally on the borders of those towns with Moline, the home of Deere.
 
Go figure.  My sister put in more than 40 years with Deere and Company and I had 37 with IH (and its successor companies.)
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 4:32 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

All I could offer is that John Deere has a plant just across the river from Davenport, IA which MIGHT have influenced Iowa farmers?

Allen Cain


Re: Boxcar Interior Door Color

Aley, Jeff A
 

Schuyler,

 

               You’ll have to re-send your message to Todd off-list because he’s been banned from RealSTMFC for his blasphemy (not decalling the inside of his box cars)!!

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

P.S. Just kidding!!!!

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar Interior Door Color

 

You’re partly off the hook, Todd.  Most resin kits don’t end up with operating doors so no interior decals required, but we need to speak to you about those trucks and the markings on the air reservoirs . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar Interior Door Color

 

Great information!! 

However, I don't think I'm going to start decalling the reporting marks on the inside of my model boxcars!  I don't decal the trucks and underframe and insides of doors, either!

Todd (there are limits!) Sullivan. 


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR loads

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bob,

Your search turned up this really neat photo of a Monon flat car: https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM8271 . Neat car, Andrews trucks and all.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

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