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Re: Striker Castings

Bob Webber
 

Usually - at least in Standard Steel cars, they had their own patterns for cast strikers.  We haven't yet scanned H&B strikers, as we've scanned very few of the H&B small drawings.  The Pullman strikers had a place to put pattern and material (MS, CS, etc.) - but it wasn't always filled.   Aside from one person, interested mostly in specific railroad's strikers, we've not had much call for them.  But...we have thousands.   The other aspect is that there are combined front lug / striker, draft arm, etc. that may have the striker casting integral or on the drawing (without a separate drawing). 

For the USRA Gondolas we have these drawings:
HB-7901-41-136.tif   Patt. No. 3424 - 4 1/4 x 8 Journal Box Lid - USRA Lots - Flats, Refrigerator, Gondola  
HB-7965-41-148.tif   Patt. No. 41527-M - Side Door Hinge Butt - Lots 5176, 5180. 5183, USRA Gondola    
HB-7967-41-149.tif   Patt. No. 41517-M - Side Door Bolt Staple - Lot 5176, 5180, 5183 1918 USRA Gondola  
HB-7969-41-150.tif   Patt. No. 25377--M - Side Door Bolt Staple - Lots 5176, 5180, 5183 USRA Gondola   
HB-7974-41-151.tif   Patt. No. 6499 - Signal Bracket  -Lots 5176, 5180, 5183 USRA Gondola              
HB-7978-41-153.tif   Side Door Pin & Chain - Lots 5176, 5180, 5183 USRA Gondola                        
HB-7979-41-154.tif   End Door Pin & Chain - Lots 5176, 5180, 5183 USRA Gondola                         
HB-7990-41-155.tif   Double Strap Bolt - Lots 5176, 5180, 5183 USRA Gondola                            
HB-7995-41-156.tif   Brake Steel Details - Lots 5176, 5180, 5183 USRA Gondola                          
HB-8264-41-199.tif   Standard Marking for USRA Journal Bearing - Lot 5178 1918 US Standard Gondola, Box  
HB-9687-14-49.tif    Link Operation Arrangement for toggle gear to USRA Gond                           
SS-50132.tif         Murphy steel end alt. construction USRA 50 ton Comp Gond car                      
SS-50132.tif         Murphy steel end alt. construction USRA 50 ton Comp Gond car                      
UMP-6705.TIF         USRA Panels for 50-Ton Composite Gondola - 1932                                   
UMP-6705.TIF         USRA Panels for 50-Ton Composite Gondola - 1932                                   
UMP-6705.TIF         USRA Panels for 50-Ton Composite Gondola - 1932   

Note that this is likely not ALL USRA Gondola drawings.  But also note, the first several have pattern numbers.  HB=Haskell & Barker, SS = Standard Steel Car, UMP = Union Metal Products. 

But...if it isn't on this list, it may take time (closed for the duration) to access.  

If it was an ACF built car, St. Louis would have the drawings. 

If this is a USRA copy and you have builder & year, we can likely find drawings.  There are holes and overlaps (due to where the drawings went, what were saved, etc.) 


At 10:46 AM 4/14/2020, Brian Stokes wrote:
Getting into the weeds here but should be appreciated by the list I think:

Were striker castings proprietary to a vendor or the car builder? I have found a couple of styles used on USRA gons, though most of the builder photos look to be a consistent style, and a bit different from the general arrangement drawings.

If they were proprietary, are there any resources or articles covering different designs? I've been browsing CBCs and hobby press online with no luck.

I'm working on a USRA 50-ton composite gon in proto:48 and trying to figure out the striker casting. The best photo I could find is attached (a detail of an image of a W&LE car pulled from Ted Culotta's 2018 St. Louis RPM presentation on his build of an L&M gon). I'm modelling an SP version (ex. El Paso & Southwestern).

If I can find drawings, the plan is to build a master and cast the assemblies I need, then incorporate them into scratch-built draft gear to house the Protocraft scale couplers... Needless to say, the entire project has ground to halt trying to figure this part out!

--
Brian Stokes
https://northpoint48.blogspot.com/

Bob Webber


Re: Striker Castings

Dennis Storzek
 

Unfortunately, Ike's Southern design is about ten years too new; it has the drawbar carry iron cast integral. The USRA design used a separate cast carry iron attached with a large bolt, and indeed, the huge nut shows in Brian's photo. The striker casting kind of shows in some general arrangement drawings in the 1922 CBC, but not in enough detail to do it justice in 1:48 scale. The 1919 CBC had more extensive coverage of the "Government cars", but I don't have a copy, although I know there is a scanned copy available on the web somewhere. Best bet would be to have Bob Webber pull the drawings at the Pullman Library, but I believe they are closed for the duration.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

PGE 6072 (the crane in the film) was a 35-ton Ohio locomotive crane. Such cranes have been pressed into service to help clear wrecks when nothing else was available. And  a few wreck cranes in that part of the world did include a Lidgerwood. They were used for their steady pulling power.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: bill woelfel via groups.io <bwoelfeljr@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Apr 13, 2020 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Thats not really a wrecker, looks more like a locomotive crane for handling material, note the long, non solid  boom. This may have been all that was available at the time, but still..........

I operated cranes like this at my brief tenure on the C&NW  Proviso, Il. in the 70's.  Never tried to lift a car.    Bill W


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

Tony Thompson
 

Garth Groff  wrote:
Somewhere there is a close-up photo of these UP gondolas being loaded at a coal tipple. I seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson posted it back on the old Yahoo group. Does it jar any memories?

    Garth, do you mean the photos of both SP and UP gondolas being loaded with ballast at Black Butte, California? It includes UP 25218, built in 1903 with the Standard Steel Car Co. version of the Fox-like trucks. It is included in my Volume 1 on gondolas in the series _Southern Pacific Freight Cars_ on page 73.  On page 69 of that volume are two Standard Steel builder photos of such UP gondolas, from Keith Retterer.

Tony Thompson




Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:02 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Somewhere there is a close-up photo of these UP gondolas being loaded at a coal tipple. I seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson posted it back on the old Yahoo group. Does it jar any memories?
 
If it is the same car, I believe these were 46' IL with drop bottoms, and were intended for coal service.
 
Do you have any idea who built those cars? Somewhere deep in the recesses of my memory (or what's left of it) I recall that Barney & Smith had a fabricated plate passenger car truck, that from the side looked like a section of fabricated I beam with journal boxes poking through slots. B&S also built freight cars. What I can't recall is if they also tried a freight version, but if so, this is pretty much what it would look like. Unfortunately, there is only one book on Barney & Smith, and I don't own it; I read a borrowed copy.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Pacific Car & Foundry 1959 Annual Report - Photos

Doug Paasch
 

Hey, that's neat.  A nice memento for me as I had two uncles on my mom's side that built railroad freight cars in Renton back then.  Thanks for the posting.

Doug Paasch


On Apr 14, 2020 10:49 AM, "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Pacific Car & Foundry 1959 Annual Report - Photos

Photos and notes from University of Washington's Digital Archives:

1959 - Southern Pacific & Western Pacific Boxcars

https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/reports/id/4051/rec/5

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Striker Castings

George Eichelberger
 

Brian:

Your project sound interesting!

Although there are many drawings of striker castings in the SRHA archives, they typically only show a casting number, not a patent or vendor. The Southern cast many parts at its Lenore Car Co. foundry in Lenore, TN. I expect many were copies of carbuilder designs or designed by Lenore or the railroad. Producing parts at Lenore and sending them to the carbuilders to be used in new car construction was common so even knowing who built a particular series of cars does not tell us who the component suppliers were.

In any case, here is a Google Drive link for Southern drawing SF-3421:


It is a 31M .tiff file (too large) to attach here. You should be able to read all of the measurements if you want to try to use this design.

Good luck and let us see how this looks in proto:48>

Ike


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Somewhere there is a close-up photo of these UP gondolas being loaded at a coal tipple. I seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson posted it back on the old Yahoo group. Does it jar any memories?

If it is the same car, I believe these were 46' IL with drop bottoms, and were intended for coal service.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆



On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:21 PM spsalso via groups.io <Edwardsutorik=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Scaling from the photo, I get a wheelbase of 6'-9".  Like I said, seems pretty long for a freight car.

I think built-up arch bar trucks were outlawed in interchange between 1938 and 1941.

It could be argued that this car, which I take to be UP, is on home road tracks, and not interchanging.  Possible.  But the train itself does appear to be otherwise made up of cars that would interchange.  The load looks like scrap, likely steel.  If it stayed on home rails, where would the scrap be delivered?

Nevertheless, the trucks are under the car.  It's carrying a load.  It doesn't look like it's in MOW service.

And the trucks are interesting.

TWO interesting cars in one train in one picture.  Neat.  Might be more.


Ed

Edward Sutorik




Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train

A 1921 Photo from the University of Washington:

https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/imlsmohai/id/5538/rec/215

Caption: "By the end of the 1920s, the single most valuable import coming through Seattle was Japanese silk. This luxury material came to Seattle on fast steamships and was sent by express train to eastern markets. Because it was both expensive and perishable, silk needed to be handled very carefully. One train carried a cargo of silk valued at $5 million."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: MP USRA gon, was FSA/OWI photos

mopacfirst
 

That information, about the retrofit of the Wine door locks, explains the MP usage.  Thanks.

Ron Merrick


Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can

Craig Zeni
 

On Apr 14, 2020, at 10:42 AM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:

4d. Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can
From: Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:27:28 EDT

Am I all wet or are those of us who have stuck with the tried and true flat and/or gloss finishes bysuppliers such as Scalecoat and Testors really missing something? From all the complaints viewedherein over the past week I think most of these new flat and clear finishes leave A LOT to be desired.I'll stick with the older ones. As we say here in New England, "If it ain't broke don't fix it"
Cordially, Don Valentine
I never liked the Testors dullcoat, Walthers DDV, or even the Scalecoat flat - all were/are too amber I really noticed that the first time I used the Floquil flat and compared that Southern Rwy diesel to one I'd done with Dullcoat - the aluminum stripe had a distinctly a was my go-to for years - no amber hue. Then the Model Master lacquer-based flats seemed to airbrush better for me but of course those are gone. I always struggled with the Polly Scale flats - I usually had issues with it going on evenly and not having my airbrush flinging boogers of flat onto the model. I never was able to full predict or cure the boogers issue. I stopped using it when I had an application of it craze on a model - never saw it do that before and I never gave it another chance.

I have found another flat that I *really* like, the Hataka flat product from Poland. Comes in a nice little squeeze dropper bottle like the MIG and Vallejo products, and the Hataka bottle has a little agitator ball in it. It ls lacquer based, airbrushes very very nicely and evenly, and only a hint of amber. Thin it with lacquer thinner (hardware store stuff or the Tamiya lacquer thinner) and it goes on like a dream. Haven't had it frost, craze or fling boogers. Great stuff. I've been trying to get some of their paint, with very limited success. The paint seems to be sold in sets and i don't really need a variety of Luftwaffe or Japanese Naval colors...


Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Question on depressed center well cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;

 

How many depressed center flat cars also had a further depressed well in the deck, like the PRR F42 attached?  Was this type of approach unique to PRR, or did other roads also pursue this?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

spsalso
 

Scaling from the photo, I get a wheelbase of 6'-9".  Like I said, seems pretty long for a freight car.

I think built-up arch bar trucks were outlawed in interchange between 1938 and 1941.

It could be argued that this car, which I take to be UP, is on home road tracks, and not interchanging.  Possible.  But the train itself does appear to be otherwise made up of cars that would interchange.  The load looks like scrap, likely steel.  If it stayed on home rails, where would the scrap be delivered?

Nevertheless, the trucks are under the car.  It's carrying a load.  It doesn't look like it's in MOW service.

And the trucks are interesting.

TWO interesting cars in one train in one picture.  Neat.  Might be more.


Ed

Edward Sutorik




Re: F&C LV box car

Paul Doggett
 

Clark 

Another fine build  and the weathering looks great as well.

Paul Doggett.   England 


On 14 Apr 2020, at 17:36, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


I’m out of Tamiya primer and Hobby Lobby’s closed so I’ve had to resort to Scalecoat II which takes days to dry...With Tamiya primer and Tru-color I’m able to prime, color and decal in a few hours...Oh well, like my wife says “What else you got to do?” I hate waiting...
Here are four photos of a F&C LV wrong way door box car. Love the little thing. The instructions say they sell kits of many of the cars variations, different roofs, doors, ends, if I were an Northeastern modeler I’d have a bunch of the variations. But, I’m not so one will do. I'm not a fan of the decals I think the Lehigh Valley is too large. Also used Ted's RMC essentials article as a guide when building.  I weathered the car with pencils and Pan Pastels. The four photos show that progress.
1, 2 – Just pencils. I used Prismacolor 30% and 70% cool gray on the running boards and a bit on the sides. Sienna brown to hi-lite details and a bit on the sides. Dark brown on the sides, plus a Pedigree medium looking brown on the sides.
3, 4 – After Pan Pastels. Neutral gray extra dark on the roof and underframe/trucks. Raw umber on the underframe trucks and wheel splash on the ends. I rubbed the whole car with a cosmetic sponge to blend all.
I’m beginning to think less is more when it comes to weathering.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Attachments:


Pacific Car & Foundry 1959 Annual Report - Photos

Bob Chaparro
 

Pacific Car & Foundry 1959 Annual Report - Photos

Photos and notes from University of Washington's Digital Archives:

1959 - Southern Pacific & Western Pacific Boxcars

https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/reports/id/4051/rec/5

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


F&C LV box car

Clark Propst
 

I’m out of Tamiya primer and Hobby Lobby’s closed so I’ve had to resort to Scalecoat II which takes days to dry...With Tamiya primer and Tru-color I’m able to prime, color and decal in a few hours...Oh well, like my wife says “What else you got to do?” I hate waiting...
Here are four photos of a F&C LV wrong way door box car. Love the little thing. The instructions say they sell kits of many of the cars variations, different roofs, doors, ends, if I were an Northeastern modeler I’d have a bunch of the variations. But, I’m not so one will do. I'm not a fan of the decals I think the Lehigh Valley is too large. Also used Ted's RMC essentials article as a guide when building.  I weathered the car with pencils and Pan Pastels. The four photos show that progress.
1, 2 – Just pencils. I used Prismacolor 30% and 70% cool gray on the running boards and a bit on the sides. Sienna brown to hi-lite details and a bit on the sides. Dark brown on the sides, plus a Pedigree medium looking brown on the sides.
3, 4 – After Pan Pastels. Neutral gray extra dark on the roof and underframe/trucks. Raw umber on the underframe trucks and wheel splash on the ends. I rubbed the whole car with a cosmetic sponge to blend all.
I’m beginning to think less is more when it comes to weathering.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can

Nelson Moyer
 

I neglected to mention that I don’t use Dullcote or Model Master rattle cans for clear coats, either gloss or flat. My experience was similar to Eric’s. The nozzle of Model Master Cans is nowhere close putting out a fine spray as Tamiya cans. I always use an airbrush for clear coats (gloss, semi-gloss, or flat), but even then, If I get too close or stay in one place too long, I sometimes get the white powder effect of raised details. Instead of trying to cover every nook and cranny in one coat, it’s best to apply multiple coats as needed with drying in between. My current practice is to lightly spray the whole model with clear flat and let it dry. Then I look for shiny places, and selectively spray a little more clear flat on those spots. There should be no need to respray the whole model if the first application was properly applied.

 

The ONLY rattle cans I use now are Tamiya and Krylon. Yes, Krylon. I paint simulated stainless steel betterment passenger cars with Krylon Flat Aluminum. Until Tru Color came along, it was the best of the ‘silver/aluminum/steel’ [paints for passenger cars. I made color ships of the Tru Color steel/aluminum colors, and it has very fine pigment, sprays without clogging the airbrush, and levels to a smooth, thin finish. I haven’t painted a car with Tru Color yet, but I think it’s as good or better than Krylon.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can

 

I’ve had sputtering rattle cans of Dullcoat ruin freight car finishes. I swore those off many years ago. I had used rattle cans of Model Master Clear Flat with good success before I set up a spray booth.

 

I now prefer to use the airbrush to spray Model Master Flat Clear Acryl with a few drop of the appropriate freight car color to add a chalky appearance to start the weathering process. The flat + drops of color also cuts the whiteness of decals. You can compare the before and after on a boxcar in this blog post.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/04/21/southern-pacific-a-50-5-automobile-box-car/

 

YMMV.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:27 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can

 

Am I all wet or are those of us who have stuck with the tried and true flat and/or gloss finishes by

suppliers such as Scalecoat and Testors really missing something? From all the complaints viewed

herein over the past week I think most of these new flat and clear finishes leave A LOT to be desired.

I'll stick with the older ones. As we say here in New England, "If it ain't broke don't fix it"

 

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: GM&O and A&WP colors

Todd Horton
 

Scott, I have a not so great photo of a C of G door and a half with Superior doors.  The photographer was shooting a locomotive and the boxcar just happened to get caught.    Todd Horton 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


At one time, Oddball's decals had a nice set of Farmall decals.
 
Steve Hile


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of D. Scott Chatfield
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GM&O and A&WP colors

My friend Joe Sullivan asked me the following:


1.  What color were GM&O flat cars in 1952 - 1954 time period?  The 42' 50T "USRA-ish" ones.

2.  I am assuming that A&WP flat cars and GA RR gondolas (specifically the ones rebuilt from flat cars) of that period were freight car brown (Langley Jr., Hanson & Silcox won't argue) .  Does anyone here dissent?  Does anyone dissent from assumption that the GA/A&WP freight car brown resembled the L&N color, except maybe a bit more LIGHT brownish that pure oxide red?

3. Does anyone know or a photo of one of the few CofGa 40' 1937 door-and-a-half boxcars with SUPERIOR doors?

4.  There's an online rumor of the existence of HO scale Farmall tractor decals.  Does such a thing actually exist??

Thanks

Scott Chatfield


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

Dave Parker
 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 09:03 AM, spsalso wrote:
I thought sheet metal trucks were long gone by this time.  
To my knowledge, Fox trucks, and similar pressed steel (or built up) trucks were never banished from interchange.  They slowly disappeared, probably because they were all on older cars with K brakes for which railroads chose not to invest in any rebuilding. 
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: Boiler Loads

Allen Cain
 

FYI Multiscale Digital tells me that they will have these boiler loads available on their site within a week.

Allen Cain

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