Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>

Garth and all,

For what it's worth it is pager #329 from the 1937 Car Nuilders Cyclopedia, teh 14th edition. I also have
the 13th edition from 1931 which is devoid of any sort of covered hopper. It has more different gondolas,
however, than one could ever imagine!

Cordially, Don Valentine

np328

After reading all the later comments, I find myself agreeing with Brian Carlson, very strongly.

The reasoning:  Read Schuyler's comment of the 1:51 post, the lower part in blue.

Or here: I kept seeing the very same Erie Lackawanna gondola being switched into a steel fabricating plant next door, week after week after week.

Can I rephrase that into: On this big railroad in this big country, I saw this same car week after week.  I ask - What are the odds?

Or somewhat like when Rick Blain stated Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine.”

See the dichotomy? And that is real life, because of the extreme odds, we notice it.

And Tony states this can be fully prototypical.   And I concur with all of that.  I do.  I have read AFE’s for a handful of cars to be purchased to serve in captive service.

OK, here is part two.  Folks in a small town will run into people they know more often than folks in a large town will. It is simple mathematics.

And it does not happen because it is a big world, which it is, it more over happens because the odds in the small town overwhelm the odds of the world at large.*

So: A large layout you will eventually see the same car and maybe you will have forgotten, however the third time it happens?   We do not have an empty supermarket of space in which to model.

Are you trying to portray your railroad as a part of a larger world?

On a smaller railroad, the odds of seeing the same car become apparent sooner than later. However on a larger layout, and Schuyler noted this “with that spacing out of the sessions  and I can think right now of about five cars that show up randomly, every four or five months, when they show up in the yard, I don’t have to look at the waybill – I know what train I should put it in.”

The moment of awareness that suddenly – the layout is smaller because of these same cars appear – never goes away, the odds of it are just delayed.

Again - Are you trying to portray your railroad as a part of a larger world? Then after a lot of research, and taking the time to model interchanges, and place distant names on waybills, why do actions* to oppose that?

What got me thinking about all this?     Schuyler's comment: Much more engaging of brain and pleasure.    That is what we all hope would be said about our layout, either built or dreamed.

And the way there follows with what Brian has been espousing.                          Jim Dick – Roseville, MN

Re: D&RGW 65500 SS 1.5 door car

Scott

Denver Public Library shows a new roof drawing from September 1933 so they might have got a new roof after that date.  Unfortunately they don't show a General Arrangement drawing of it.  Maybe the Colorado Railroad Museum has it in their collection.  There is a Hand Brakes drawing from 1941 so maybe that's when they got AB brakes but hard to say without seeing the drawing.

Scott McDonald

Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Richard Brennan

Protocraft has them in 1:48...
<https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20>https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20

...but they seem to be doing some sets in 1:87.1 as well. Perhaps an inquiry there?

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 02:19 PM 3/19/2020, Allen Cain wrote:
I am looking for a set of HO scale decals for a Tennessee Central Boxcar in the 7900-7999 series that would be appropriateÂ for 1955.Â If you have any, please let me know off list.
I know that Campbell Road made a set of dry transfers WT-29 but I believeÂ these to be the later block lettering scheme but do not have a set to check.

Or if you know of a source, I would appreciate getting the lead from you.

D&RGW 65500 SS 1.5 door car

David

I think the Radial roof from an Atlas C&O 1932 car kit might be appropriate.
That one is a Cambre radial- different panel count. The roof on the D&RGW box appears to be a Murphy radial; I'd recommend cutting off and shortening the roof of the MDC 50' s/s auto box.

David Thompson

Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Unfortunately we have not got down the list for box car decals but for future reference we do offer a locomotive decal TC.

On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:

I am looking for a set of HO scale decals for a Tennessee Central Boxcar in the 7900-7999 series that would be appropriate for 1955.  If you have any, please let me know off list.

I know that Campbell Road made a set of dry transfers WT-29 but I believe these to be the later block lettering scheme but do not have a set to check.

Or if you know of a source, I would appreciate getting the lead from you.

Thank you,

Allen Cain

WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Allen Cain

I am looking for a set of HO scale decals for a Tennessee Central Boxcar in the 7900-7999 series that would be appropriate for 1955.  If you have any, please let me know off list.

I know that Campbell Road made a set of dry transfers WT-29 but I believe these to be the later block lettering scheme but do not have a set to check.

Or if you know of a source, I would appreciate getting the lead from you.

Thank you,

Allen Cain

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>

Brian Carlson wrote:

'Who models their fleet based on staging? (Other than maybe Clark P) you should have some off-layout storage also
or you’re gonna get bored with the same cars and your operators will begin to know where to route a car automatically.'

Respectfully, Brian, I'm going to suggest that this depends on the size of one's pike, the number of different industries
on it and the size of one's car fleet. If one has a 3 x 12 home pike I would probably agree with you but not for a larger
one. By the same tken I know many folks who hace far more rolling stock than can really be justified, amny of whom
hace no pike ot operate them on. At this time I'm one of them. LOL

Cordialy, Don Valentine

Schuyler Larrabee

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

That’s exactly correct, Clark.  I operate on a club layout where we use +/- 300-350 cars in the freight car fleet.  Our “Classic” operations are two sequential months, followed by two months of “Modern” ops, then back to Classic, and so on.  So even though I only participate I the “Classic” sessions, with that spacing out of the sessions  and I can think right now of about five cars that show up randomly, every four or five months, when they show up in the yard, I don’t have to look at the waybill – I know what train I should put it in.  The waybills for all the other cars change, even for tank cars, so everything else requires looking at the waybill to establish where it goes from here.  Much more engaging of brain and pleasure.

And I agree. But remember that train crews who did the same job every day could recognize where nearly everything in the train was going, when they walked it when going on duty. That we may know where we are going to spot that meat reefer or high-pressure tank car is perfectly prototypical.

Tony Thompson

And as soon as I sent that out, I remembered that 26-27 years ago, when I was designing an engineering firm’s offices and meeting with them regularly, I kept seeing the very same Erie Lackawanna gondola being switched into a steel fabricating plant next door, week after week after week.  The gon went directly inside the building, so I never got a photo of this, but it is the prototypical exception that proves the point made before.

Schuyler

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Re: Wright Track Kit Instructions Found

Charles Peck

It was probably that "Nashville Sound" that took them worldwide.
Chuck Peck

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 4:43 PM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
Thanks to all who responded.

And a special thanks to Kai Solvei all the way in Norway.

Who would have thought that these Tennessee Central box car instructions would have been found in Norway?  Guess the range of the TC cars was farther than expected?😀

Allen Cain

Re: Wright Track Kit Instructions Found

Allen Cain

Thanks to all who responded.

And a special thanks to Kai Solvei all the way in Norway.

Who would have thought that these Tennessee Central box car instructions would have been found in Norway?  Guess the range of the TC cars was farther than expected?😀

Allen Cain

Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Andy Cich

Yes to the Deco end model having a Viking roof and 3 panel doors. I took the attached photo last week to show a friend the end. It doesn’t show the door or roof well and I’m away from my car now.

Now that IMRC has tooled the 3 panel door, they have C&O and C&EI cars with dreadnaught ends and 3 panel doors on advanced reservation.

Andy Cich

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Does anyone know if the IMRC model has Viking roof and 3 panel doors? Maybe someone could post a few photos.

Francis A. Pehowic

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 10:18:00 AM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I built a C&O model years ago using a Des Plaines Viking roof kit. I used Keith Reterrer (sp) ends and doors. Also used his 3 panel doors on M&StL auto cars. Talked to Kieth about his castings at CCB. Sounded like he can still produce them. I think his are better looking than the IM model myself.
CW Propst

Tony Thompson

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

That’s exactly correct, Clark.  I operate on a club layout where we use +/- 300-350 cars in the freight car fleet.  Our “Classic” operations are two sequential months, followed by two months of “Modern” ops, then back to Classic, and so on.  So even though I only participate I the “Classic” sessions, with that spacing out of the sessions  and I can think right now of about five cars that show up randomly, every four or five months, when they show up in the yard, I don’t have to look at the waybill – I know what train I should put it in.  The waybills for all the other cars change, even for tank cars, so everything else requires looking at the waybill to establish where it goes from here.  Much more engaging of brain and pleasure.

And I agree. But remember that train crews who did the same job every day could recognize where nearly everything in the train was going, when they walked it when going on duty. That we may know where we are going to spot that meat reefer or high-pressure tank car is perfectly prototypical.

Tony Thompson

calling Jim Dick

Tony Thompson

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com

Re: Wright Track Kit Instructions Needed

Bill Welch

Technically the TC steel car is a 1937 AAR design albeit with a Pullman end and flat riveted roof a'la Pennsy style.

Bill Welch

Re: Wright Track Kit Instructions Needed

O Fenton Wells

Allen, I think I have that one but I have to find it.
Probably tomorrow
Fenton

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:31 PM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
Could someone send a scan of the instructions for this Wright Trak kit?

Tennessee Central PS-O Circa 1958 Box Car Wright Trak HO TC-02

Thanks,

Allen Cain

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Wright Track Kit Instructions Needed

Allen Cain

Could someone send a scan of the instructions for this Wright Trak kit?

Tennessee Central PS-O Circa 1958 Box Car Wright Trak HO TC-02

Thanks,

Allen Cain

Re: D&RGW 65500 SS 1.5 door car

Bill Welch

Bill Welch

Fran Giacoma

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:47 AM, Brian Carlson wrote:
"I was responding to the OP’s comment that he “only room for 2 additional gondolas in the fleet due to a limited amount and length of the staging tracks.”
Those 2 gons are going to stand out if used every session."

Here are the facts:
1) a scrap dealer has a one car spot for a gondola. It does not get switched every session
2) there are two other industries that either get a gondola or a flatcar. One interchange gets a gondola every third session or so
3) my gondola fleet will consist of 4 different cars. My total car fleet is 145 cars. I have 25 industries (most with multiple spots) and three different railroad interchanges

I have two 3-person crews that each operate twice a year (spring and fall) on the layout. So much else changes between visits that they never notice the same car going to the same industry as before, if it happens (extremely rare). I am deeply into prototype ops (layout is TTTO) so the crews are too busy operating their trains by looking for "fixed signals", their paperwork (clearance forms, train orders, switch lists, timetable, etc), and enjoying the scenery that in my many years of operating, I never heard that comment from any of them.

I operate the layout weekly myself and never get bored of my cars; the amount is just right for my space and operating scheme. I change them out as a result of research about what I am modeling.
Fran Giacoma

D&RGW 65500 SS 1.5 door car

Bill Welch

This is a photocopy and I am not sure who gave it to me one year at Lisle. Great kit-bash candidate using the little styrene half door kit from Dan Valentine and Accurail carbody. It will need a radial roof. IIRC these were gone by my October 1955 modeling date.

Bill Welch

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