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Re: Magor Car Co drawings

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

There are also 14 photos of these Magor Car Company cabooses in the C&OHS Archives collection.


Al Kresse


On August 16, 2019 at 2:31 PM "lrkdbn via Groups.Io" <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

Hi group
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Does anyone know of a source for Magor Car Co. drawings? I am looking for the cabooses they built
for the Pere Marquette and Erie in 1930.These were wood cars with steel underframes, 3 unevenly spaced windows on the side, centered coupola.
Thanks for any help you can give...
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Re: Magor Car Co drawings

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Larry,


There are FC diagram sheets for PM A800 series with the dimensions (in C&OHS DS books)


There are Paint and Lettering drawings, drawn to scale, with lettering dimensions (not scanned).


There might be general arrangement drawings (not scanned)


Al

On August 16, 2019 at 2:31 PM "lrkdbn via Groups.Io" <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

Hi group

Does anyone know of a source for Magor Car Co. drawings? I am looking for the cabooses they built
for the Pere Marquette and Erie in 1930.These were wood cars with steel underframes, 3 unevenly spaced windows on the side, centered coupola.
Thanks for any help you can give...
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Re: Magor Car Co drawings

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Did you check the C&O HS Archives? . . . on line search or written research request?  It was an AMC Mech Depart Advisory Committee purchase.  I believe I used the lettering drawing in a PPT many years ago.


Al Kresse

On August 16, 2019 at 2:31 PM "lrkdbn via Groups.Io" <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

Hi group

Does anyone know of a source for Magor Car Co. drawings? I am looking for the cabooses they built
for the Pere Marquette and Erie in 1930.These were wood cars with steel underframes, 3 unevenly spaced windows on the side, centered coupola.
Thanks for any help you can give...
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


B&O N25B covered hoppers

Andy Carlson
 

Randy Anderson was visiting Florida and went to a local hobby store. On the store's counter was a box of Kodachromes. From what I saw these were mostly high quality Kodachromes. They were offered for $1 each, and by that time the locals had purchased all but the open hopper slides. I always wondered what the box cars could have been, for most of the slides were from about 1949. Too cool, and Richard Hendrickson comes to mind as someone who really could appreciate freight car slides of that era. I do know that hopper cars were low on his favorites list.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, August 16, 2019, 11:55:28 AM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Bob

Your earlier post (2014) said that you thought the photo showed an N-13 covered hopper.

The "Randy Anderson" photo is from some photographer - dunno who - and the slides were
duplicated by Jim Gerstley (or his fellow slide dupers) and I have copies of all of them.
There were some real gems - all color shots from the late 1940's.

Tim O'


On 8/16/2019 1:13 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io wrote:

I only have this one cropped from a larger image. Can't read the number so it may not be a N-25b. It appears to have the original brake arrangement.
Attached:
The origins for the N-25 hoppers was the N-13 that had longitudinal hoppers dumping outside the rails.

The attached photo is from Randy Anderson's collection..




Bob Witt

Attachments:

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: B&O N25B covered hoppers

Edward
 

I have a B&O diagram for the N-25b class covered hoppers numbered 630104-630177 of 1936.
It shows the class having a vertical brake wheel and box, with a notation they had rack operated hopper doors.
Lightweight 43,200 lbs., load limit 125,800 lbs., 1,238 cu. ft. capacity, built by B&O at Cumberland.
The posted photo of B&O 630120 suggests this if you look carefully at the left end of the running board.

A vertical brake staff and horizontal brake wheel were on class N-24a cars, numbers 630025-630074 built in 1933.
They are also noted as being equipped with sliding hopper doors.
Lightweight 45,500lbs, capacity 100,000 lbs. at 1,716 cu. ft.

Ed Bommer



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Re: B&O N25B covered hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

Your earlier post (2014) said that you thought the photo showed an N-13 covered hopper.

The "Randy Anderson" photo is from some photographer - dunno who - and the slides were
duplicated by Jim Gerstley (or his fellow slide dupers) and I have copies of all of them.
There were some real gems - all color shots from the late 1940's.

Tim O'


On 8/16/2019 1:13 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io wrote:
I only have this one cropped from a larger image. Can't read the number so it may not be a N-25b. It appears to have the original brake arrangement.
Attached:
The origins for the N-25 hoppers was the N-13 that had longitudinal hoppers dumping outside the rails.

The attached photo is from Randy Anderson's collection..




Bob Witt

Attachments:

_._,


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Magor Car Co drawings

lrkdbn
 

Hi group

Does anyone know of a source for Magor Car Co. drawings? I am looking for the cabooses they built
for the Pere Marquette and Erie in 1930.These were wood cars with steel underframes, 3 unevenly spaced windows on the side, centered coupola.
Thanks for any help you can give...
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Re: nice image of stock car SLSF 47864

mopacfirst
 

There was one.  Sunshine 65.7/65.8 (only difference, according to the order sheet, was different decals for different eras).  I have one, that will probably be built soon.

Ron Merrick


Re: nice image of stock car SLSF 47864

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Great looking car.  Wish someone would produce a kit.

Bill Pardie



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From: "rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io" <rwitt_2000@...>
Date: 8/16/19 6:48 AM (GMT-10:00)
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] nice image of stock car SLSF 47864

List members,

A slightly larger image using the below link, at least on my iMac.

http://frisco.org/mainline/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Cattle-Car-47864-date-and-location-unknown.jpg

Bob Witt


Re: B&O N25B covered hoppers

rwitt_2000
 

I only have this one cropped from a larger image. Can't read the number so it may not be a N-25b. It appears to have the original brake arrangement.
Attached:
The origins for the N-25 hoppers was the N-13 that had longitudinal hoppers dumping outside the rails.

The attached photo is from Randy Anderson's collection..




Bob Witt


B&O N25B covered hoppers

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Can anyone point me to a picture of the B-end of one of these?  Kitbashing one for a friend.  And those outlets are very odd.


Scott Chatfield


Re: nice image of stock car SLSF 47864

rwitt_2000
 

List members,

A slightly larger image using the below link, at least on my iMac.

http://frisco.org/mainline/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Cattle-Car-47864-date-and-location-unknown.jpg

Bob Witt


Re: ART 12645 and 13657 Reefer Questions

mopacfirst
 

On the color of kick plates:  It depends on the era you're modeling.  In the late steam era, kick plates on wooden ART cars were usually red.  There are a few published color photos that show this.  The kick plate area on steel cars was painted black.

Ron Merrick


ART 12645 and 13657 Reefer Questions

Nelson Moyer
 

I’m finishing up two ART reefers as 12645 and 13657. The photo of 12248 in the ART book, p. 134 appears to have a long sill step extending the full width of the door and suspended from the bottom of the side sill. The step bows down at the center, and it appears to be painted black. The sill steps on the ends of the sides are outside mount type A attached to the side sill through the sheathing. Westerfield instructions state that there were no center side sill steps on cars in this series, and model photos don’t show one. I can’t find any clear photos of other cars in this series to tell whether the center sill step was present or not. Were these unusually long sill steps used on other cars, or is 12248 unique?

 

My second question is about the color of kick plates. The 12000-12999 series cars had yellow sides, including grab irons, grab ladders, and kick plates. The 13000 series cars had either mineral red or black kick plates, but there is contradictory information about which color was actually used. Does anyone know if the kick plates on 13657 would have been mineral red or black?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Reboxx 40% off wheel sale

brianleppert@att.net
 

Thanks Ron.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Reboxx 40% off wheel sale

dphobbies
 

We are closing out our remaining Reboxx wheel inventory at 40% off MSRP.  Remaining stock is listed on our web store www.desplaineshobbies.com
To reach the list quickly, scroll through the BRANDS list on the left side navigation bar.  If the wheelset you are looking for is not listed, that means it is sold out.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies


Re: Tichy tank car

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Parker wrote:

First, the outage chart and tables were likely needed in a significant number of cases . . .

Thanks, Dave. I appreciate the additional details.

Last, starting some time in the early 1920s (perhaps 1923), the dome volumes of cars fitted with "side dome safety valves" were downgraded for all inflammable commodities.  

      The side-mount safety valves, though ordinarily performing exactly the same as dome-top valves (and both being 5-inch diameter), had the drawback that cargo expanding into the dome would submerge the side-mounts before reaching the top of the dome to interfere with top-mounts. I'm sure that's the reason for this capacity downgrade. And it's known as the reason for preferring top mounts.

Tony Thompson




Re: Tichy tank car

Larry Buell
 

Ed Bommer wrote that a gallon of water contains 16 pints. Not true, it contains 8 pints or 4 quarts.  Also, a gallon of water weighs 8.32 lbs. (I used to work in the oil patch before I went to work for a railroad).

Larry Buell


Re: Tichy tank car

Dave Parker
 

Tony:

First, the outage chart and tables were likely needed in a significant number of cases.  The ICC regs on this, which date to 1918 at least, pertained to all commodities classified as inflammables. The 1923 revisions, which appear to be unchanged in the 1938 and 1949 updates (published in the CFR), include several common commodities.  For example, both gasoline and naptha, when loaded at temperatures up to 65 F, required expansion volumes of 2.4 to 2.8%.  At 75 F and above, the 2% minimum dome size would have been adequate.  When loaded at 55 F, both ethanol and toluene would have required a ~2.8% expansion volume, while methanol and benzene would have needed about 3.2%.  Commodities not classified as inflammable, including kerosene, diesel, fuel oil, etc., could all be carried with a 2% expansion space.

Second, tank cars actually built to the 2% minimum may have been in the minority.  Using the Sinclair fleet of ca 1930 as an example, the GATC 1917 design cars had dome volumes of 2.5% (8000 gal) or 2.3% (10,000gal).  The radial-course Penn Tank Car builds (8000 gal) had 3.2% domes.  The notable exception seems to have been the 10,000-gal ACF Type 21s with their minimalist 210-gal domes, apparently the most common configuration for these cars.  In contrast, the 8000-gal Type 21s most commonly sported 254-gal domes, and the P2000/Walthers Proto models of the Type 21s reflect these norms.

Last, starting some time in the early 1920s (perhaps 1923), the dome volumes of cars fitted with "side dome safety valves" were downgraded for all inflammable commodities.  For example, Sinclair had 6000-gal ACF cars built in in 1918 to Class III the standard but with side-mounted valves.  The 145-gal dome volume was downsized to only 95 gallons (~1.5%) for use with inflammables, so the outage table would have been a necessity for this combination of commodity and car.   There are a number of other examples of cars so footnoted scattered throughout the 1936 and 1955 tariff books.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Tichy tank car

Paul Doggett
 

Ed 

There’s 8 pints in a gallon.
Paul Doggett 
England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 15 Aug 2019, at 02:23, Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...> wrote:

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 12:36 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
 BTW, in response to Scott Chatfield's comment about dome volume, it was required to be a MINIMUM of 2 percent of the tank volume. Car buyers could choose to have larger domes if they wished.
Just to clarify, the 2% requirement dates only to the creation of, and mandatory construction to, the Class III  and IV standards of May, 1917.  Many, perhaps the majority, of Class II cars had domes noticeably smaller than this minimum percentage, and many were used in interchange for decades thereafter.

And indeed some car buyers (Texcao most notably) insisted on larger, sometimes much larger, domes.  The reason was that depending on the commodity, and the loading temperature, 2% was an insufficient expansion volume, and extra headspace had to be provided by not filling the tank to 100% of capacity.  Each car design had an outage table to allow shippers to "conveniently"  determine the correct fill level.  Texaco obviously preferred to simplify things, which is why their ACF Type 21 10 kgal cars had 420-gal domes (versus the "standard" ACF build of 210 gallons).

Dave Parker  
Riverside, CA

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