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Re: Automobile Loading Suggestions
Tony Thompson
Hugh Guillaume wrote: The posts about the crated automobile prompted me to make this post. The subject area of this post is actually the title of a thirty page booklet published in the twenties by the Evans Auto Loading Company, Inc., Dime Bank Building, Detroit. It shows everything a railroad company needed to know about loading automobiles into forty-foot boxcars. There are literally dozens of illustrations. I am willing to share it with the group but, quite frankly, I do not know how. If you can scan the pages, or get them scanned, you can post the document as a PDF on Google Drive for free. Tony Thompson 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
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Re: PRR Container Flat 473267
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Nice work Lester but such model bring up a question. How far did such early containerization equipment stray from the railroad that owned it? I have no idea about this but recall that the movement of early piggyback equipment was limited to a few very narrow corridors and wonder if the movement of other such early equipment was equally restricted. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
Ken Vandevoort <apo09324@...>
Is the Tyvek the same as the Tyvek housewrap you can find at Lowe's and other places?Ken Vandevoort
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Automobile Loading Suggestions
The posts about the crated automobile prompted me to make this post. The subject area of this post is actually the title of a thirty page booklet published in the twenties by the Evans Auto Loading Company, Inc., Dime Bank Building, Detroit. It shows everything a railroad company needed to know about loading automobiles into forty-foot boxcars. There are literally dozens of illustrations. I am willing to share it with the group but, quite frankly, I do not know how. Hugh T Guillaume
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Re: Crated Automobile
Eric Hansmann
It's a Santa Fe boxcar. Eric Hansmann
On August 18, 2019 at 1:04 PM gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:
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Re: Crated Automobile
gary laakso
The auto box with the end door is an interesting design with the flat, wide riveted end panels holding a much more narrow door.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Crated Automobile Automobile probably for export. No date or other information. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gmpullman/48256484931/in/photostream/ Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Crated Automobile
Brian Rochon
The logo on the radiator could be from the Hudson Motor Car Company.
Brian Rochon Silver Spring, MD
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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:56 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Crated Automobile
Crated Automobile Automobile probably for export. No date or other information. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gmpullman/48256484931/in/photostream/ Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
Rod Miller
On 8/18/19 11:01 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Thicknessness and properties of the material vary. I'm still looking for a sourceThe USPS has enough problems without modelers scooping up all its Tyvek envelopes. You don't have to buy a full roll of Tyvek. ebay sellers sell it by the foot. Another option is to watch homes under construction. Here in CA the exterior at some point gets wrapped in Tyvek - I'm sure the builder would give you some. -- Rod Miller Handcraftsman === Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More http://www.rodmiller.com
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Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
Andy Carlson
I have a 26 ft x 5 ft train work room. I made the ceiling with stretched Tyvek from a lumber yard. I have 4 LED shop lights above the ceiling and the Tyvek allows ample diffused light to pass through. I am quite pleased! -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 11:01:34 AM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Thicknessness and properties of the material vary. I'm still looking for a source for the "soft" Tyvek material like the sheets packed with models from China. You can write on Tyvek too, which mitigates the opacity problem. Like Denny, I bought a package of the Reboxx model wrappers years ago - great stuff. But it won't last much longer. Tim On 8/18/2019 1:49 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote: Tim O'Connor wrote:
"And then there's TYVEK - lint free, pH neutral, tear resistant, water resistant, won't mar or scratch or interact with paint. Only available in rolls from Uline but a single roll is good for hundreds of freight car models." There's a free supply of Tyvek at the Post Office in
the form of the large Priority Mail and Express Mail
envelopes.
Ben Hom
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Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
Thicknessness and properties of the material vary. I'm still looking for a source for the "soft" Tyvek material like the sheets packed with models from China. You can write on Tyvek too, which mitigates the opacity problem. Like Denny, I bought a package of the Reboxx model wrappers years ago - great stuff. But it won't last much longer. Tim
On 8/18/2019 1:49 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
C J Wyatt
Free? only if you are using them to send something via Priority Mail or Express Mail. Otherwise you may be committing a Federal offense. Jack Wyatt
On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 01:49:33 PM EDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote: "And then there's TYVEK - lint free, pH neutral, tear resistant, water resistant, won't mar or scratch or interact with paint. Only available in rolls from Uline but a single roll is good for hundreds of freight car models." There's a free supply of Tyvek at the Post Office in the form of the large Priority Mail and Express Mail envelopes. Ben Hom
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Crated Automobile
Crated Automobile Automobile probably for export. No date or other information. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gmpullman/48256484931/in/photostream/ Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
Benjamin Hom
Tim O'Connor wrote: "And then there's TYVEK - lint free, pH neutral, tear resistant, water resistant, won't mar or scratch or interact with paint. Only available in rolls from Uline but a single roll is good for hundreds of freight car models." There's a free supply of Tyvek at the Post Office in the form of the large Priority Mail and Express Mail envelopes. Ben Hom
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Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
And then there's TYVEK - lint free, pH neutral, tear resistant, water resistant, won't mar or scratch or interact with paint. Only available in rolls from Uline but a single roll is good for hundreds of freight car models. https://www.uline.com/BL_1969/Tyvek-Rolls If you've bought any RTR models from China from Athearn or others, then you've probably noticed that weird, soft material that protects the models in their packages. Tim O'Connor ===============================
On 8/17/2019 8:03 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Personally, I use the Hendrickson method: place model in plastic sandwich bag, wrap loosely with paper towel, about two layers or so. No abrasion and minimal mechanical damage. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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PRR Container Flat 473267
Lester Breuer
I have finished Pennsylvania Railroad Container Flat Car 473267 with a load of DD1 “merchandise” containers. A Funaro & Camerlengo resin kit, number 8120. If you are interested, photos and writeup of building and finishing PRR Container Flat with DD1 containers are now on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:
http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/ Lester Breuer
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Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
The routine processing method that the California State Railroad Museum uses with its vast collection of toy and scale model railroad models is to wrap them first in Tyvek, a synthetic neutral paper of recognized archival quality. This replaces all other wraps, e.g. bubble, tissue, saran, etc. I personally use the high grade cut plastic sheet wraps from Reboxx (no longer available) from a dwindling inventory. They have the great advantage that I can identify directly what is inside the wrap.
I believe that all of the plastic wraps that are currently packed with about everything that arrives in this mail order economy should be considered suspect. One can safely presume that no one on the other end is or has had the least concern in this regard about single use products usually heading directly to the landfill. Tony’s comment on Richard Hendrickson’s use of baggies or Ziplocks has validity inasmuch as at least the interiors of these food grade plastic bags are reportedly completely free of the destructive plasticizer contaminants mentioned by Dennis (as to Dennis’ report that the auto manufacturers have solved the windshield problems caused by the outgassing of the vinyl dashboard coverings, I can directly report that at least on my pretty new cars, they still have….not). Presumably, Saran and similar food grade wraps also would lack placticizers. Denny Denny S. Anspach MD Okoboji, IA
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Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
Tony Thompson
Personally, I use the Hendrickson method: place model in plastic sandwich bag, wrap loosely with paper towel, about two layers or so. No abrasion and minimal mechanical damage.
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On Aug 17, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Edward <edb8391@...> wrote:
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Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
Dennis Storzek
The problem is the plasticizer that keeps the bubble wrap pliable is migrating out. This is similar to the fog that used to develop in new automobile windows as the plasticizer migrated out of the vinyl dash board. The automakers solved that problem, but it's still a problem with cheap made-in-China bubble wrap, but who can tell where any of this stuff comes from these days.
I recently unpacked a Chicom battery radio someone had given me a few years ago; same problem. 99% isopropyl alcohol, which I use at work, took it off with some wiping, but will also remove some paints and pad printing inks, so be careful. I would try a wash in warm water and dish soap, if that doesn't work, try wiping with 70% drugstore isopropyl alcohol, and if that doesn't work, the higher concentration alcohol. If it strips the paint, you've a good start on repainting. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
Its best to use acid free tissue paper as the first wrapper for a model, before using bubble wrap or sheet foam for cushioning.
Well worth its additional cost. Ed Bommer
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Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
Robert kirkham
I think the thread was on the passenger car list. It came up once; a few weeks or months later I returned to it after finding some damaged cars. My only strategy so far is to sit the cars in the air, and hope the bubble wrap elixir evaporates or something. If that doesn’t work, the cars will need to be weathered or repainted to hide the checkerboard pattern dots of damage.
Rob Kirkham
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On Behalf Of Brian Termunde via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:06 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap
Good day; Take Care,
Brian R. Termunde Midvale, Utah
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