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Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

gary laakso
 

Yes, we in the Law Department did care!

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 11:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

 

Eric Hansmann wrote:



While the gon is a former EP&SW car, the El Paso & Southwestern company was not merged into the SP until 1955. The SP leased the line starting November 1, 1924, but a formal merging was not until 29 years later.

 

   One of those typical railroad history minutiae, comparable to the fact that the Central Pacific, leased to SP in 1885, was not formally merged into SP until 1959. It might be safe to say about either factoid, that only an attorney would care.

 

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Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:

While the gon is a former EP&SW car, the El Paso & Southwestern company was not merged into the SP until 1955. The SP leased the line starting November 1, 1924, but a formal merging was not until 29 years later.

   One of those typical railroad history minutiae, comparable to the fact that the Central Pacific, leased to SP in 1885, was not formally merged into SP until 1959. It might be safe to say about either factoid, that only an attorney would care.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Ken Adams
 

Ed 
I like your suggestion of USAX 26912-27231 as my currently planned replacement layout includes the SP Avon, Contra Costa (junction for the San Ramon Valley Branch) which is 1 mile west of the Port Chicago Naval Magazine/Munitions depot and could easily see empty (hopefully not loaded) cars awaiting return movement.

The problem lies in finding suitable decals and painting information for military boxcars. I ran into this when I decided to build one of the Port Chicago ex D&RGW 36 foot wood box cars from an Accurail 14xx car. Painting was not a problem as I located a color photo of one of the cars when it  was donated to the Western Railway Museum. On a visit to the museum I was able to inspect one of  the two cars donated and in spite of it being repainted to D&RGW box car red, the under frame an brake gear were still in Navy light battleship grey. But decals were a problem. I wound up using Clover House dry transfers which luckily were specific to the car but which did not go on to well. ( I just tried to add a photo but it did not upload. see https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2018/12/us-navy-box-car-from-port-chicago.html)


Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Tim O'Connor
 

Those rebuilt gondolas were indeed exNYC (or P&LE) Greenville (lot 150-G) gondolas.

Unfortunately, Terry Link has taken down his invaluable "Canada Southern" web site with NYC et al roster
information over misuse of a couple of photos!! Seems like a rather draconian solution to me! :-(

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/home.htm

Tim O'Connor

On 6/3/2019 12:42 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io wrote:
Tim,

Your observation is correct, and I noticed it too, although the photo is pretty fuzzy when you enlarge it.

I once photographed a 52' gon in Port Jervis in the mid-1970s that was painted PC green and lettered PC.  It has all the features of a NYC/Greenville standard 52'-6" drop end mill gon except for rebuild solid ends, but had a class of G31T, which seemed like a PRR class.  I never heard about PRR picking up any of the Greenville gons, so maybe the class was a PC invention.  Who knows?  Unfortunately, I just tossed my copy of PC car diagrams during the move to Texas last week.  Maybe someone out there has a copy, or someone on the PC list.

Todd Sullivan
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*Tim O'Connor*
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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Todd Sullivan
 

Tim,

Your observation is correct, and I noticed it too, although the photo is pretty fuzzy when you enlarge it. 

I once photographed a 52' gon in Port Jervis in the mid-1970s that was painted PC green and lettered PC.  It has all the features of a NYC/Greenville standard 52'-6" drop end mill gon except for rebuild solid ends, but had a class of G31T, which seemed like a PRR class.  I never heard about PRR picking up any of the Greenville gons, so maybe the class was a PC invention.  Who knows?  Unfortunately, I just tossed my copy of PC car diagrams during the move to Texas last week.  Maybe someone out there has a copy, or someone on the PC list.  

Todd Sullivan.


Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Todd. It's definitely NOT a G26 but the G33 (see attached photo) appears to have several
beefier side posts (a common feature of 1950's gondolas) - but maybe this PC car was rebuilt?

Tim O'Connor



G33?  Blt in or before 1948 and has all full height ribs.

The G26 and G26a had shorter ribs on the side (same length) except for 2 each side where the diagonal part fo the side sheet straightens out at the bottom.

Todd Sullivan.
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Tim O'Connor
 


Richard, I agree - if you already have 'em, go with it.

The only modifications I made to the McKean car - besides better detail parts and the roof hatches -
was the tabs on the side sill. The ends were already riveted (correct) and as you say the roof is correct
too. And the lettering is excellent. The kits come with AAR underframes but that's not important enough
to toss out the models.

Tim O'



On 6/3/2019 12:04 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:
Which is why I suggested the Evergreen Roundhouse car. Right roof, good graphics, for a car the OP said didn't need to be exact. YMMV. These were just suggested options. If I didn't already have three of the Evergreen Roundhouse cars I would get the Kadee car myself, but I do so I won't.

And just to be clear, the photo posted of the Evergreen B-50-40 is of one paint scheme, but it also came with the earlier scheme. Also, the roof hatches on that car were an option suggested in one of the kits. Both schemes are shown in this eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-McKean-Evergreen-Roundhouse-HO-40-PS-1-Boxcar-Kit-Union-Pacific-NEW-TRUCKS/333213295470?hash=item4d950f636e:g:qsIAAOSwHDlc68~p

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Brian Carlson
 

Shoot. Couldn’t tell on phone. Todd is probably correct. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Brian,

I thought exactly the same thing, but the car in the photo has full-length sides stakes at every location, so it is neither G26 or G26A. 

Regards
Bruce


On Jun 3, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

G26 or 26a can’t tell based on the small pic on my phone. They are similar but different to the AAR. Sides stakes is the most obvious difference. 
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=gon&sz=sm&fr=

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This surprised me - I didn't think PRR owned any AAR 65 foot gondolas.

Anyone have builder/class data?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66415287@N02/47970166157/

Tim O'Connor



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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Bruce Smith
 

Brian,

I thought exactly the same thing, but the car in the photo has full-length sides stakes at every location, so it is neither G26 or G26A. 

Regards
Bruce


On Jun 3, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

G26 or 26a can’t tell based on the small pic on my phone. They are similar but different to the AAR. Sides stakes is the most obvious difference. 
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=gon&sz=sm&fr=

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This surprised me - I didn't think PRR owned any AAR 65 foot gondolas.

Anyone have builder/class data?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66415287@N02/47970166157/

Tim O'Connor



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*





Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Todd Sullivan
 

G33?  Blt in or before 1948 and has all full height ribs.

The G26 and G26a had shorter ribs on the side (same length) except for 2 each side where the diagonal part fo the side sheet straightens out at the bottom.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townsend
 

Which is why I suggested the Evergreen Roundhouse car. Right roof, good graphics, for a car the OP said didn't need to be exact. YMMV. These were just suggested options. If I didn't already have three of the Evergreen Roundhouse cars I would get the Kadee car myself, but I do so I won't.

And just to be clear, the photo posted of the Evergreen B-50-40 is of one paint scheme, but it also came with the earlier scheme. Also, the roof hatches on that car were an option suggested in one of the kits. Both schemes are shown in this eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-McKean-Evergreen-Roundhouse-HO-40-PS-1-Boxcar-Kit-Union-Pacific-NEW-TRUCKS/333213295470?hash=item4d950f636e:g:qsIAAOSwHDlc68~p

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townshend wrote:
"True enough, but at three times the price."

...and a lot less rework required.  When you start bringing up hacking roofs off of other carbodies (frankly, it's just easier removing the corrugations), the point of diminishing returns comes up on you pretty quick. 


Ben Hom


Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Townshend wrote:
"True enough, but at three times the price."

...and a lot less rework required.  When you start bringing up hacking roofs off of other carbodies (frankly, it's just easier removing the corrugations), the point of diminishing returns comes up on you pretty quick. 


Ben Hom


Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townsend
 

True enough, but at three times the price.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 6:27 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.
It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1."

Ken, I agree with Tim.  While the Evergreen Roundhouse line has some of the nicest UP factory lettering ever offered, I'd wait until the pre-1950 Kadee PS-1 comes out unless you have an absolute life-or-death immediate need for a Class B-50-40.  The PS-1 is such a ubiquitous prototype that there's surely another off-line car that fits your needs that is closer to the Intermountain model.


Ben Hom


Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Brian Carlson
 

G26 or 26a can’t tell based on the small pic on my phone. They are similar but different to the AAR. Sides stakes is the most obvious difference. 

On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This surprised me - I didn't think PRR owned any AAR 65 foot gondolas.

Anyone have builder/class data?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66415287@N02/47970166157/

Tim O'Connor



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Tim O'Connor
 

This surprised me - I didn't think PRR owned any AAR 65 foot gondolas.

Anyone have builder/class data?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66415287@N02/47970166157/

Tim O'Connor



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


While technically true, the SP wasted no time in erasing EP&SW reporting marks.



On 6/3/2019 10:09 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

While the gon is a former EP&SW car, the El Paso & Southwestern company was not merged into the SP until 1955. The SP leased the line starting November 1, 1924, but a formal merging was not until 29 years later.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich C via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 11:02 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

 

The gon is ex El Paso & South Western. They were not an SP subsidiary, just merged into the SP in 1924.

 

Rich Christie



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

While the gon is a former EP&SW car, the El Paso & Southwestern company was not merged into the SP until 1955. The SP leased the line starting November 1, 1924, but a formal merging was not until 29 years later.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich C via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 11:02 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

 

The gon is ex El Paso & South Western. They were not an SP subsidiary, just merged into the SP in 1924.

 

Rich Christie


Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.
It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1."

Ken, I agree with Tim.  While the Evergreen Roundhouse line has some of the nicest UP factory lettering ever offered, I'd wait until the pre-1950 Kadee PS-1 comes out unless you have an absolute life-or-death immediate need for a Class B-50-40.  The PS-1 is such a ubiquitous prototype that there's surely another off-line car that fits your needs that is closer to the Intermountain model.


Ben Hom


Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Tim O'Connor
 


This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.

It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1.

Tim O'Connor



On 6/2/2019 11:53 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:
Here's another alternative. Get rid of the cars you bought, and go on eBay and buy the McKean PS-1 cars that were decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse. They are B-50-40 cars and not too expensive. 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts