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Re: Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

Bob Chaparro
 

Hi, Denny -
I will be in Sacramento starting on May 1 for the PCR Convention.
If it is just two boxes I am willing to take them. Several clubs I know would want these back issues.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
chiefbobbb AT Verizon DOT net


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader October 1959

Richard Townsend
 

I have just such a project on my workbench right now. A new roof, an Accurail fish belly underframe, and the usual improvements to the sides and ends are involved.


Re: Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

Aley, Jeff A
 

Folks,

 

               I’m not sure if the discussion of Media Mail would be on-topic for the RPO List.  But I AM sure that it’s NOT on-topic for STMFC.

 

Thanks,

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, STMFC

 


Re: Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

Douglas Harding
 

Gary, I suspect that used magazines could be considered “books” as the advertising is dated and thus no longer applicable.

 

What used to be called book rate is now Media Mail®

Small and large packages and thick envelopes can be sent domestically using Media Mail. Contents are limited to books, manuscripts, sound recordings, and certain other educational materials. Formerly called “Book Rate”, Media Mail cannot contain advertising, except eligible books may contain incidental announcements of books.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Roe
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

 

Tim,

 

My local post office told me that you cannot ship magazines Media Mail, since they contain advertisements.  It's probably done all the time; but...

 

gary roe

quincy, illinois

 

 

 

 

On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎April‎ ‎16‎, ‎2019‎ ‎03‎:‎55‎:‎30‎ ‎PM‎ ‎CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

 

 


Media Mail is still quite inexpensive. You probably can ship a year's
worth of issues across the country
for just a few dollars. Just pack them between sheets of cardboard.


On 4/16/2019 3:49 PM, Denny Anspach wrote:
> Friends, I am in possession of two gifted  boxes of about 170 issues of MAINLINE MODELER dating from early 1983 well into the 21stC.  I have no notion of continuity, and some issues have reportedly had articles removed. (primarily SP, I would guess).  Although I am essentially over such habits, I too could possibly save out some issues/articles prior to eventual definite disposal. I am thoroughly amazed at the sheer volume and quality of information about prototype modeling projects, materials, techniques, and the quality photos to supplement all.  Great bed time leafing/reading!
>
> My point:  Prior to any notion of disposal, these are FREE to anyone willing to pick them up FOB. I could ship them, but only at great(!)  expense.
>
> If interested, and you are decisive, let me know OFF LIST.
>
> Denny
>   
> Denny S. Anspach MD
> Sacramento CA


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



Re: Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

Tim O'Connor
 


Technically true, which is why I would box them or use a stiff carboard envelope.
I have mailed magazine-size publications (e.g. "Classic Freight Cars") without
any problems. And I mail enough stuff that the folks down at the Post Office know
me by name. :-D

Tim O'Connor


On 4/16/2019 5:09 PM, Gary Roe wrote:
Tim,

My local post office told me that you cannot ship magazines Media Mail, since they contain advertisements.  It's probably done all the time; but...

gary roe

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 05:30 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
From the USPS web site "Media Mail packages may not contain advertising."
That's because you don't want media mail, but rather Bound Printed Matter rate:

Difference between Bound Printed Matter and Media Mail! ... So it's a bulk rate service, much cheaper than regular Media Mail. Books can be shipped by BPM. Catalogs and magazines can also be shipped by BPM, but are not allowed underMedia Mail because they contain advertising.

Dennis


Re: Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

Bruce Smith
 

From the USPS web site "Media Mail packages may not contain advertising."  I note that newspapers are NOT listed as media mail eligible on the USPS web site.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mainline Modeler collection disposal.
 
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 02:09 PM, Gary Roe wrote:
Tim,
 
My local post office told me that you cannot ship magazines Media Mail, since they contain advertisements.  It's probably done all the time; but...
And newspapers don't? Newly printed magazines go media mail... as I recall, to qualify, the magazine has to be less than a certain percentage of advertising, I want to say 50% , but it may have been slightly less, such as 45%. Any more than that is an ad flyer, which doesn't qualify. Whatever, if it was initially delivered via media mail, it qualifies to go that way again.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

Nelson Moyer
 

I looked up the media that qualify for media mail rates on the USPS web site, and magazines and newspapers aren’t listed. Maybe the rules changed?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 02:09 PM, Gary Roe wrote:

Tim,

 

My local post office told me that you cannot ship magazines Media Mail, since they contain advertisements.  It's probably done all the time; but...

And newspapers don't? Newly printed magazines go media mail... as I recall, to qualify, the magazine has to be less than a certain percentage of advertising, I want to say 50% , but it may have been slightly less, such as 45%. Any more than that is an ad flyer, which doesn't qualify. Whatever, if it was initially delivered via media mail, it qualifies to go that way again.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 02:09 PM, Gary Roe wrote:
Tim,
 
My local post office told me that you cannot ship magazines Media Mail, since they contain advertisements.  It's probably done all the time; but...
And newspapers don't? Newly printed magazines go media mail... as I recall, to qualify, the magazine has to be less than a certain percentage of advertising, I want to say 50% , but it may have been slightly less, such as 45%. Any more than that is an ad flyer, which doesn't qualify. Whatever, if it was initially delivered via media mail, it qualifies to go that way again.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

Gary Roe
 

Tim,

My local post office told me that you cannot ship magazines Media Mail, since they contain advertisements.  It's probably done all the time; but...

gary roe
quincy, illinois




On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎April‎ ‎16‎, ‎2019‎ ‎03‎:‎55‎:‎30‎ ‎PM‎ ‎CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Media Mail is still quite inexpensive. You probably can ship a year's
worth of issues across the country
for just a few dollars. Just pack them between sheets of cardboard.


On 4/16/2019 3:49 PM, Denny Anspach wrote:
> Friends, I am in possession of two gifted  boxes of about 170 issues of MAINLINE MODELER dating from early 1983 well into the 21stC.  I have no notion of continuity, and some issues have reportedly had articles removed. (primarily SP, I would guess).  Although I am essentially over such habits, I too could possibly save out some issues/articles prior to eventual definite disposal. I am thoroughly amazed at the sheer volume and quality of information about prototype modeling projects, materials, techniques, and the quality photos to supplement all.  Great bed time leafing/reading!
>
> My point:  Prior to any notion of disposal, these are FREE to anyone willing to pick them up FOB. I could ship them, but only at great(!)  expense.
>
> If interested, and you are decisive, let me know OFF LIST.
>
> Denny
>   
> Denny S. Anspach MD
> Sacramento CA


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

Tim O'Connor
 

Media Mail is still quite inexpensive. You probably can ship a year's worth of issues across the country
for just a few dollars. Just pack them between sheets of cardboard.

On 4/16/2019 3:49 PM, Denny Anspach wrote:
Friends, I am in possession of two gifted boxes of about 170 issues of MAINLINE MODELER dating from early 1983 well into the 21stC. I have no notion of continuity, and some issues have reportedly had articles removed. (primarily SP, I would guess). Although I am essentially over such habits, I too could possibly save out some issues/articles prior to eventual definite disposal. I am thoroughly amazed at the sheer volume and quality of information about prototype modeling projects, materials, techniques, and the quality photos to supplement all. Great bed time leafing/reading!

My point: Prior to any notion of disposal, these are FREE to anyone willing to pick them up FOB. I could ship them, but only at great(!) expense.

If interested, and you are decisive, let me know OFF LIST.

Denny
Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento CA
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Mainline Modeler collection disposal.

Denny Anspach
 

Friends, I am in possession of two gifted boxes of about 170 issues of MAINLINE MODELER dating from early 1983 well into the 21stC. I have no notion of continuity, and some issues have reportedly had articles removed. (primarily SP, I would guess). Although I am essentially over such habits, I too could possibly save out some issues/articles prior to eventual definite disposal. I am thoroughly amazed at the sheer volume and quality of information about prototype modeling projects, materials, techniques, and the quality photos to supplement all. Great bed time leafing/reading!

My point: Prior to any notion of disposal, these are FREE to anyone willing to pick them up FOB. I could ship them, but only at great(!) expense.

If interested, and you are decisive, let me know OFF LIST.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento CA


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Dennis Storzek
 

And another interesting page that illustrates the proper use of the terms T&G. shiplap, bevel siding and drop siding, for those who care. While not very applicable to freightcars, all these wood products were carried in freightcars at one time:

horizontal-siding-guide


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Dennis Storzek
 

Finally found a current version of the WWPA standard architectural siding patterns, which should give some form to all the names that have come up in this discussion. WWPA Siding Patterns

 Dennis Storzek


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader October 1959

Benjamin Hom
 

Larry Smith wrote:
"The hopper car with some added parts is a very accurate model of a C&O car as well as the B&O car.  There have been several articles on adding the parts to the C&O versions."

Here's one take on this upgrade:

The Athearn 40 ft offset quad is the ARA standard 70-ton quadruple hopper, with details closer B&O Class W-2 (non-peaked end, ladders vice grabs).  It has not aged well - along with the usual issues with molded-on details and oversized sill steps and handbrake, the operating doors are especially overscale and toylike and the three brake components molded in one lump.  It is the second of the two most ill-used models of all time (the first is the Athearn 40 ft steel boxcar), decorated in any hopper paint and lettering scheme and copied by many other manufacturers (Tyco, Rivarossi/Roco/AHM/Mehano, Cox/Bachmann) who offered even more bogus schemes.  (There are actually quite a few legitimate paint schemes for these cars.)

This prototype has most recently been done by Broadway Limited and MTH and covered in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volumes 5 and 14.


Ben Hom



Re: Throwback Tuesday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader October 1959

Lester Breuer
 

The Athearn enclosed pickle tank can be reworked into a reasonable Heinz Prototype.
Lester Breuer


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

George LaPray
 

A number of years ago, I was in a Menard;s store (Wisc. based home improvement chain similar to Lowe's Home Depot) and they were selling a product they called "car siding" which appeared to be just that, railroad freight car siding.   Maybe Menards had a unique take on what "car siding was/is since a number of members of the family were long time C&NW veterans.

George LaPray


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader October 1959

Larry Smith
 

The hopper car with some added parts is a very accurate model of a C&O car as well as the B&O car.  There have been several articles on adding the parts to the C&O versions.

Larry Smith

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019, 9:18:01 AM CDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Athearn Rolling Stock Ad from the October 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom 


Throwback Tuesday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader October 1959

Benjamin Hom
 

Athearn Rolling Stock Ad from the October 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom 


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 07:45 PM, Ralph W. Brown wrote:
I suspect some ignorant home improvement guru called it “shiplap,” others liked the name, and the misnomer stuck.  Oh, well . . .
No, "shiplap" used to have a specific meaning in the lumber and construction industries, it was lumber with the edges milled with a rabbet on each edge half the width of the edge, so the boards overlapped when laid flat. Nothing was said about how the surface of the board was milled, and shiplap was common on lesser quality boards that were typically used for the sub-flooring under hardwood floors, and sub-siding behind the finish siding. Back in the days before house wraps, the overlapping joints kept out the drafts even if the boards shrank. The home improvement gurus seem to be using the general term for other patterns that provide a rabbet for the top edge, even though the generally accepted term for these patterns was "novelty siding" with different mills having specific names for the pattern of the cut-out reveal: Drop siding, Duch drop, Dolly Varden...

The self covering of the gap at the joint is the reason why the Master Car Builders Association adopted the pattern for flooring and lining of boxcars; if the boards shrank as they dried out, they still wouldn't leak grain from the joints. Several of the mill sections shown in this illustration from the 1922 CBC are shiplap: