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Re: CN bcr

Ian Cranstone
 

On Nov 29, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CN had a tightly-controlled standard pallette of colours, and in this case the standard colour was Red #11, which was a reddish version of brown. As the colour aged, the reddish tone faded and the car would become increasingly brown.

A number of paints have been mixed to match CN Red #11 over the years, but be aware that this colour really only works for a freshly-painted car.

Ian CranstoneOsgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net


Re: CN bcr

Benjamin Hom
 

Doug Harding wrote:
"The CN historical society once sold correct color paint."
http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966  
 
These are available in Scalecoat and Scalecoat II.  Scroll to page 5:

CN Red #11 is what you want for transition era boxcars.


Ben Hom 


Re: CN bcr

Douglas Harding
 

True but I believe Clark does not like acrylic paint.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 8:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CN bcr

 

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Modelflex still does, it is called CN #11 :I think, reddish

Bill Welch

 


Re: CN bcr

Pierre Oliver
 

Yup 
They sure did
I have a large supply 

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On Nov 29, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:



The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 5:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CN bcr

 

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CW Propst


Re: CN bcr

Bill Welch
 

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Modelflex still does, it is called CN #11 :I think, reddish

Bill Welch

 


Re: CN bcr

Douglas Harding
 

The CN historical society once sold correct color paint.

http://www.cnrha.ca/node/966

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 5:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CN bcr

 

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CW Propst


SOLD: 2 Intermountain steel PFE reefer kits R-40-20 Overland herald

Andy Carlson
 

Thanks everyone! The reefer kits are sold.
-Andy Carlson   Ojai CA



Offered: 2 Intermountain steel PFE reefer kits R-40-20 Overland herald

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I have 2 Intermountain Pacific Fruit Express R-40-20 steel ice bunker reefer decorated kits for sale. Intermountain # 40509-23(24), PFE #46691 and PFE # 46700. Both in as delivered 1945 scheme of single Overland colored UP herald on one side, single SP herald on opposite side.

New, and in undisturbed condition in original Black, Red and White Intermountain boxes. Offered for $22 each, with free shipping included to the US.

I accept checks and money orders, and with a small fee PayPal is accepted. Contact me off-list (please) at <midcentury@...>

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson, Ojai CA


Re: CN bcr

Richard Townsend
 

I don’t have an answer to the question but I think Clark has come up with the best way of defining colors. People seem to me to be too exacting on color since they  weather, fade, grunge up in an infinite variety. And any road’s colors likely varied from batch to batch and shop to shop. Fundamentally they’re redder, browner, or oranger. And maybe marooner. 


On Nov 29, 2019, at 3:05 PM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CW Propst


CN bcr

Clark Propst
 

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CW Propst


New eBay listings

Clark Propst
 


Re: F&C

Steve SANDIFER
 

I discovered that by turning off my McAfee firewall it works fine. For some reason McAfee does not like them.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 10:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C

 

Site could not be 'found', according to the pop-up message.
I'm using MS Edge with WIN 10.
Ed Bommer 


Prescision Scale Dirt Collector #31754 & Drain Cock #4852.1

Bill Welch
 

Shortly after my post about harvesting the Dirt Collector from the Tichy "KC" brake cylinder, my friend Bill Pardie sent me a message that Precision Scale had a Dirt Collector, something I had missed seeing in their catalog. i punched in the part number Bill gave me and found the part available on eBay from 
https://www.ebay.com/usr/j-tprantle

They now own the PSC parts line. Bill also sent me some package of the PSC Drain Cocks to combine with the Dirt Collector. Both parts are cored and I used some 0.010 Plastruct rod to join them. The attached photos i believe show what the parts look like and how I combined them.

Bill Welch


More ATSF Sk-O Questions

Nelson Moyer
 

First, thanks to all those who responded to the air reservoir question. The next issue I’ve run into is the type of grab iron on the bottom of the end grab ladder. Both the end drawing and photo of ATSF 68000 on page 111 of Stephen Sandifer’s book show straight grab irons for all five rungs of the grab ladder, however the photo of ATSF 68093 on the same page shows a drop grab iron for the bottom rung of the end grab ladder (four straight grab irons and one drop grab iron). Westerfield instruction state that the bottom end ladder grab iron is a drop grab iron, probably based upon the photo of ATSF 68093. Which type grab iron was most common for the bottom rung of the end grab ladder?

 

The only information on brake component layout is on page 132 of Sandifer’s book, and that drawing is for a Sk-3 car. The only Sk-O photos I have show only the end and right side of the car, so it’s not easy to tell exactly where the control valve and brake cylinder were located, or where the train line penetrated the center sill. However, a photo of the brake components and train line on ATSF  Sk-S 68970 appears on page 119 of the Sandifer book. While the location of the air reservoir, control valve, and brake cylinder are similar for both the Sk-S and the Sk-3, the location of the train line penetration of the center sill is different.  Is it safe to assume that the Sk-O and Sk-S shared the same brake component locations and train line penetration point?

 

Anyone remotely interested in ATSF stock cars, general livestock traffic and practices, or modeling stock cars will love Sandifer’s book. For modelers, the close-up color photos of remaining cars provides details on the brake staff ratchet and pawl, uncoupling levers, door hinges, convertible deck hardware, and many other details that you won’t fine adequately covered in kit instructions.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 


Re: F&C

Bob Webber
 

Usually it's in need of a refresh/reload (F5 or the 3/4 circle or right click reload) OR it's a DNS issue - where your domain (and this happens often with Comcast) has issues resoling the name (URL) to the IP address.   Yet another possible issue is that because they do not have an SSL or HTTPS site, you may have disabled the ability to view "insecure" sites - and usually that's a construct of more "mom & pop" stores, where the checkout IS secure, but the web site isn't.  




At 10:55 PM 11/27/2019, you wrote:
I cant get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?
http://www.fandckits.com/
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 

Bob Webber


Re: F&C

Bill Lugg
 

Works on Linux Mint Silvia using Firefox 70.0.1.  I haven't seen their products in a while.  It was interesting browsing through their product line.

Bill Lugg

On 11/28/19 9:35 AM, Edward wrote:
Site could not be 'found', according to the pop-up message.
I'm using MS Edge with WIN 10.
Ed Bommer


Re: F&C

Edward
 

Site could not be 'found', according to the pop-up message.
I'm using MS Edge with WIN 10.
Ed Bommer 


Re: F&C

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 11/27/2019 8:55 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/


    Opened with IE 11, Win 10 for me.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
I went and checked the LIRR entries in my Dec 1930 ORER.
 
The car shown in one of the original photos is LIRR 2793. This makes it part of series 2781-2899 with 55 cars. The ORER shows an inside length of 37' 9" and an outside length of 40' 2".
 
The PRR class XL boxcar has an inside length of 36' 0" and an outside length of 37' 1 1/2".
 
Therefore Bob is correct and I am wrong - these cars were indeed NOT conversions from PRR class XL boxcars.
 
Thanks Bob for clearing this up for us.
 
Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

I believe these are Rodger/Hart convertible ballast gondolas.

Bob Witt

See these examples:


Re: F&C

Riverboy
 

It opens for me fine in Chrome on the computer, but says "not secure".

Tod C Dwyer

On Thursday, November 28, 2019, 05:12:27 AM EST, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Opens in Apple but says not secure!!!
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 28 Nov 2019, at 04:56, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:



I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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