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Re: Modellogenic scene: from ErieLack NPS photos

Jack Mullen
 

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 11:21 AM, Richard Brennan wrote:
- the no end-platform contractor business car (converted traction baggage?)
Notice the ice hatches at each end, which suggest this is a former express refrigerator. Possibly ex-traction, but the flat ends make me think it's of steam-road origin. Clerestory roofs were uncommon but did appear on some early express reefers, e.g. Wells Fargo.

Jack Mullen


Photo: Washington, Idaho & Montana Railway Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Washington, Idaho & Montana Railway Boxcar

A 1910 photo of car 442 from the Potlatch Historical Society Collection:

https://www.lib.uidaho.edu/digital/phs/items/phs1365.html

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Pres-To-Logs Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Pres-To-Logs Boxcar

A 1930 photo of car 426 from the Potlatch Historical Society Collection:

https://www.lib.uidaho.edu/digital/phs/items/phs1369.html

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Modellogenic scene: from ErieLack NPS photos

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Apr 7, 2020, at 11:21, Richard Brennan <rbrennan@tt-west.com> wrote:

There is -nothing- in this photo that is NOT eminently modelable!
Strewth! Even the pick and shovel in the lower-right octant contribute.
--
"This is a problem that fixes itself."
Professor H. Farnsworth.


Modellogenic scene: from ErieLack NPS photos

Richard Brennan
 

There is -nothing- in this photo that is NOT eminently modelable!
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-04-07-20/X5292.jpg

- the no end-platform contractor business car (converted traction baggage?)
- composite gon with double stake pockets
- single-lane concrete underpass with warning signs (and a lurker!)
- tools in the mud ready for use...
- and the crashed pick-up truck in the ditch

Kearny NJ - from the NPS Steamtown photo collection on the ErieLack list.


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
MP 17.8 - Robert [Roberts Landing] on the SP Mulford Line.
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Re: WFEX 1201-1202 freight reefers

Jim Betz
 

Ed,
  Perhaps  for company ice service?  As in moving big blocks of ice
from source (lake) to icing facilities?
  Or as experiment that was used for a few years but didn't really work?
                                                                                      - Jim


Meat reefers

Eric Hansmann
 

Frank Hodina shares photos and details on a few meat reefers in the latest Resin Car Works blog post. 


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Be safe. Stay healthy. Build models!


Re: WFEX 1201-1202 freight reefers

spsalso
 

Tim,

They were much taller than those cars.

And, to head off possible suggestions, they had ice bunkers at the ends, so were unlikely to have got raised tops for that purpose.

I will succumb to my temptation, and suggest they were used for transporting potted trees.  Small-ish ones.  Something 10' tall, 3-4' wide, doesn't like warm temperatures?

If you've got an alternate load, I'm interested.  Sure weren't used for apples.

Ed

Edward Sutorik



On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 06:57 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Were they anything like the W&R models?

https://brasstrains.sirv.com/products/079574/0795740102.jpg


On 4/6/2020 9:30 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io wrote:

    Out of curiosity alone I looked for these cars in my July 1947 ORER and, like you,  found them gone by that time. 
So I looked at the WFE and BREX rosters to see if they had anything similar, which they didn't. I had also look over 
my Athearn FOBX #4156 which is listed but has nowhere near the height of your two odd balls. With no similar cars
listed for the related companies I went back and looked at the January 1938 ORER and found both listed there and 
just as you described them. Sorry I can't offer any ore on these tow strange cars.
 
    Speaking of the Athearn FOBX #4156 does anyone know where Fruit Growers Express used these cars and who
they served? Fruit Growers was a large operator in New England, especially on the New Haven, so I bought it some
time ago to add variety to a reefer block.
 
Cordially, Don Valentine

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: WFEX 1201-1202 freight reefers

spsalso
 

Don,

I'm curious.  What's an Athearn FOBX #4156?  Maybe some kind of link, or something?

I see your 1938 ORER preceeds mine--good to know.

They don't show in my July 1945, although there ARE other interesting critters.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Ed

Edward Sutorik


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 06:30 PM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
    Out of curiosity alone I looked for these cars in my July 1947 ORER and, like you,  found them gone by that time. 
So I looked at the WFE and BREX rosters to see if they had anything similar, which they didn't. I had also look over 
my Athearn FOBX #4156 which is listed but has nowhere near the height of your two odd balls. With no similar cars
listed for the related companies I went back and looked at the January 1938 ORER and found both listed there and 
just as you described them. Sorry I can't offer any ore on these tow strange cars.
 
    Speaking of the Athearn FOBX #4156 does anyone know where Fruit Growers Express used these cars and who
they served? Fruit Growers was a large operator in New England, especially on the New Haven, so I bought it some
time ago to add variety to a reefer block.
 
Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: WFEX 1201-1202 freight reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


Were they anything like the W&R models?

https://brasstrains.sirv.com/products/079574/0795740102.jpg


On 4/6/2020 9:30 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io wrote:
    Out of curiosity alone I looked for these cars in my July 1947 ORER and, like you,  found them gone by that time. 
So I looked at the WFE and BREX rosters to see if they had anything similar, which they didn't. I had also look over 
my Athearn FOBX #4156 which is listed but has nowhere near the height of your two odd balls. With no similar cars
listed for the related companies I went back and looked at the January 1938 ORER and found both listed there and 
just as you described them. Sorry I can't offer any ore on these tow strange cars.

    Speaking of the Athearn FOBX #4156 does anyone know where Fruit Growers Express used these cars and who
they served? Fruit Growers was a large operator in New England, especially on the New Haven, so I bought it some
time ago to add variety to a reefer block.

Cordially, Don Valentine


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Model brake component size comparison to prototype

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

Dennis: Thank you for that very succinct explanation.  I believe it supports if not outright proves that what I said was not nonsense. 

Ed:  There is a vast difference between theoretical principles and real-world applications.  I think I was being fair in objecting to Tony's manner of writing, which was unnecessarily harsh, especially in light of what Dennis has said.  What about your tone indeed!  There are nicer ways of saying that you think someone is wrong, and 'tis easier to remove one's foot from one's mouth when it has not already been shoved all the way in ;-).

Moderator:  Don't bother excommunicating me from this group; I am already leaving voluntarily as I don't need the unpleasantness of being attacked like this.  When I read something that I think is wrong, I first ask, "Excuse me but I thought it was actually ____.  How have you arrived at your facts?"  To get a whole lot of "You're wrong!  That's nonsense!" fresh out of the blocks is not the behaviour of gentlemen.

Regards
Paul


Re: WFEX 1201-1202 freight reefers

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    Out of curiosity alone I looked for these cars in my July 1947 ORER and, like you,  found them gone by that time. 
So I looked at the WFE and BREX rosters to see if they had anything similar, which they didn't. I had also look over 
my Athearn FOBX #4156 which is listed but has nowhere near the height of your two odd balls. With no similar cars
listed for the related companies I went back and looked at the January 1938 ORER and found both listed there and 
just as you described them. Sorry I can't offer any ore on these tow strange cars.

    Speaking of the Athearn FOBX #4156 does anyone know where Fruit Growers Express used these cars and who
they served? Fruit Growers was a large operator in New England, especially on the New Haven, so I bought it some
time ago to add variety to a reefer block.

Cordially, Don Valentine


CORRECTED COPY Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W BL and BLa boxcars

David
 

A check of the July 1935 ORER turns up the car series N&W 67000-67999, 791 cars, 40 ft 6 in IL, 9 ft 1 in IH, 10 ft door opening.  This series in the January 1940 ORER is occupied by 31 ft IL, 11 ft height of top chord above rail twin hoppers as the Class BL boxcars were rebuilt to Class SK stock cars in the mid-1930s.
500 of the class BL were rebuilt to class SK stock cars. The other 500 were renumbered to 42000-42790 (some numbers were not used).

David Thompson


Steam Locomotive Expertise

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Steam locomotives pull steam era freight cars.  (Get that out of the way, first.)
 
I am looking for someone to discuss power reverse gear.  Around 1940, the Rock Island equipped a bunch of older locomotives with power reverse gear.  In the series that currently interests me, they used several brands of equipment.  I have photos and would like to have an off group discussion with someone who could help ID's the various types.
 
Please contact me off list at shile (at) mindspring (dot) com if you can help, or know someone who can.
 
Thanks so much,
Steve Hile


Re: WFEX 1201-1202 freight reefers

spsalso
 

Bill,

That was my first thought, but the cars are several feet taller, and have 10'-6" (I corrected my earlier statement that the doors were 10' tall) tall doors.  Ain't no express reefers like that.  These were very tall cars.  They exceeded current Plate F heights.

It's almost like they had some very tall (and somewhat narrow) things to load that needed refrigeration.  And a likely limited routing.


Ed

Edward Sutorik



On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 03:15 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Most likely two of their Express Reefers in freight service for whatever reason at the time.

Bill Welch


CORRECTED COPY Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W BL and BLa boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Scott Chatfield asked:
"A friend of mine who is very much a modern day modeler wants to try his hand at kitbashing an N&W class BL or BLa boxcar (Ralston 1923).  Has a kit for these ever been done?  I have no photos of these cars.  Ideas?"

A search of the online Virginia Tech Norfolk Southern Collection turned up two Class BL boxcar images:

A check of the July 1935 ORER turns up the car series N&W 67000-67999, 791 cars, 40 ft 6 in IL, 9 ft 1 in IH, 10 ft door opening.  This series in the January 1940 ORER is occupied by 31 ft IL, 11 ft height of top chord above rail twin hoppers as the Class BL boxcars were rebuilt to Class SK stock cars in the mid-1930s.

The first photo, N&W 67332 is of the cars as built; the second photo, N&W 67910, is of the cars with a new steel-sheathed roof.  A search of the N&W Historical Society online archive turned up a general arrangement drawing of Class SK, which shows a radial roof and 7/8 Murphy ends.  My educated guess is that it's the same radial roof used for the Class BK USRA SS boxcars (N&W 120000-120799) as modeled by Westerfield kit 3365.

As far as I know, no kits have been offered.  The quick and dirty approach would be to used the Tichy model with their #3058 7/8 end and the NERS/SSCo. auxiliary door conversion parts as a starting point for the cars as built as the car height is the same.  The cars with the upgraded steel radial roofs would be more challenging; you would either have to scratchbuild a roof for the Tichy model or use Westerfield 3365 as a starting point (which would give you the roof) and replace the ends (a bit more challenging with this kit as it features a one-piece body).

However, the fly in the ointment is the spacing of the truss members.  Note that the "panel" to the left of the door opening is slightly narrower, and the one to the right of the door opening is slightly wider.  This is not as easily corrected; my recommendation is to use a Westerfield 7201 CP USRA "clone" flat kit as a starting point (as it also gives you the 7/8 Murphy ends), cut out the two "panels" in question and splice in new scratchbuilt "panels", and scratchbuild the radial roof if you're doing a later car.


Ben Hom


Re: WFEX 1201-1202 freight reefers

Bill Welch
 

Most likely two of their Express Reefers in freight service for whatever reason at the time.

Bill Welch


Re: N&W BL and BLa boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Scott Chatfield asked:
"A friend of mine who is very much a modern day modeler wants to try his hand at kitbashing an N&W class BL or BLa boxcar (Ralston 1923).  Has a kit for these ever been done?  I have no photos of these cars.  Ideas?"

A search of the online Virginia Tech Norfolk Southern Collection turned up two Class BL boxcar images:

A check of the July 1935 ORER turns up the car series N&W 67000-67999, 791 cars, 40 ft 6 in IL, 9 ft 1 in IH, 10 ft door opening.  This series in the January 1940 ORER is occupied by 31 ft IL, 11 ft height of top chord above rail twin hoppers as the Class BL boxcars were rebuilt to Class SK stock cars in the mid-1930s.

The first photo, N&W 67332 is of the cars as built; the second photo, N&W 67910, is of the cars with a new steel-sheathed roof.  A search of the N&W Historical Society online archive turned up a general arrangement drawing of Class SK, which shows a radial roof and 7/8 Murphy ends.  My educated guess is that it's the same radial roof used for the Class BK USRA SS boxcars as modeled by Westerfield kit 3365.

As far as I know, no kits have been offered.  The quick and dirty approach would be to used the Tichy model with their #3058 7/8 end and the NERS/SSCo. auxiliary door conversion parts as a starting point for the cars as built as the car height is the same.  The cars with the upgraded steel radial roofs would be more challenging; you would either have to scratchbuild a roof for the Tichy model or use Westerfield 3365 as a starting point (which would give you the roof) and replace the ends (a bit more challenging with this kit as it features a one-piece body).

However, the fly in the ointment is the spacing of the truss members.  Note that the "panel" to the left of the door opening is slightly narrower, and the one to the right of the door opening is slightly wider.  This is not as easily corrected; my recommendation is to use a Westerfield 7201 CP USRA "clone" flat kit as a starting point (as it also gives you the 7/8 Murphy ends), cut out the two "panels" in question and splice in new "scratchbuilt" panels, and scratchbuild the radial roof if you're doing a later car.


Ben Hom


Re: N&W BL and BLa boxcars

Brent Greer
 


I've been intending to do such a conversion myself one of these days.  My original plan was to use the westerfield N&W class BK kit as a starting point and add a half door kit from New England Rail Services.  Need to fabricate a door stop for the left side and the additional door track and hardware for that side as well, but should be a pretty straightforward conversion.

Thanks,
Brent



Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...>
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 5:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] N&W BL and BLa boxcars
 
A friend of mine who is very much a modern day modeler wants to try his hand at kitbashing an N&W class BL or BLa boxcar (Ralston 1923).  Has a kit for these ever been done?  I have no photos of these cars.  Ideas?


Scott Chatfield


N&W BL and BLa boxcars

D. Scott Chatfield
 

A friend of mine who is very much a modern day modeler wants to try his hand at kitbashing an N&W class BL or BLa boxcar (Ralston 1923).  Has a kit for these ever been done?  I have no photos of these cars.  Ideas?


Scott Chatfield

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