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Re: Metal Wheels

Tangent Scale Models
 

Denny S. Anspach, MD wrote:

"I note that neither Tangent and Rapido (nor Intermountain for that matter) publish axle dimensions, so one has no idea -none, nada, zip- whether they are 0.990” or 1.020”, a vast difference that commonly presages vast and critical differences in expected or desired performance..."

Denny, as has been stated on this list in the past, Tangent Scale Models does indeed disclose the axle lengths for our wheels on our website and has since 2008 when we first offered our fine wheels for sale.  Click on any one of the links for the wheels here and the axle length is disclosed: https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product-category/wheelsets/

As you will see, the Tangent 33" wheels have a 1.002" length which is a highly useful length for most normal applications beyond those found in Tangent trucks.  We appreciate the kind comments on this list in recent days about our wheelsets.  The "oddball" lengths that require Reboxx have really fallen by the wayside in recent years due to more consistent, modern CAD-based truck designs found on today's trucks.  Today's trucks generally look and operate better than the trucks that the Reboxx line was designed for, meaning you can get significant mileage from the replacement weelsets from brands like Tangent, especially with the opportunity to purchase 100-count packages.

Best wishes,

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models (who recently used Reboxx wheels in KATO trucks on a personal model, which have a very different standard but which also date from the 1990s)

 


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 26705

Douglas Harding
 

Appears to be bundles of lath tied and stacked to the left, just inside the fence. There are also clay building tile to the far left and clay sewer pipes just left of the stack of lath bundles. The covered structure appears to have bins under it, with covered walkway or possibly a conveyor leading into the next building. This indicating a loose material that had to be kept dry. The lath makes me think of plaster or lime. Could be cement. Maybe the building is for bagging the loose product. Coal and sand would be unloaded outside.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 3:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 26705

 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 26705

Old but undated photo:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-03-19/X7385.jpg

The industry on the spur is interesting:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-03-19/X7383.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-03-19/X7382.jpg

Perhaps a construction supplies business? I also see railroad ties along with lumber and pipe. The spur leads into a covered structure, purpose unknown.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 26705

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bob,

The "covered structure" is likely a dump trestle for domestic heating coal, something a lot of lumber dealers also sold. I recently photographed a similar uncovered structure at the Montpelier mansion near Orange, Virginia. The coal trestle is still there with its rails intact (and also a private freight shed). Because the spur was privately owned, they track was left intact when the Southern Railroad removed the switch many years ago.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/5/19 4:04 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: PRR Boxcar 26705

Old but undated photo:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-03-19/X7385.jpg

The industry on the spur is interesting:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-03-19/X7383.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-03-19/X7382.jpg

Perhaps a construction supplies business? I also see railroad ties along with lumber and pipe. The spur leads into a covered structure, purpose unknown.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 26705

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
Photo: PRR Boxcar 26705
Old but undated photo:

Not that old in the grand scheme of things - Class XL boxcar, but refitted with the final arrangement of safety appliances and painted in NK4, the last paint scheme before Circle Keystone, which would place the date at 1928 at the earliest.


Ben Hom




Photo: PRR Boxcar 26705

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 26705

Old but undated photo:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-03-19/X7385.jpg

The industry on the spur is interesting:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-03-19/X7383.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-03-19/X7382.jpg

Perhaps a construction supplies business? I also see railroad ties along with lumber and pipe. The spur leads into a covered structure, purpose unknown.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Monon

Bob Webber
 

Well, that's what I was getting at - for instance, the LO of 1966 (albeit out of this group's time) is noted as grey, PPG UL-11938. I don't have the '57 PS-1 documents at hand - will have to check at some point to see if was have them. (Obviously *not* the grey discussed, for example only). We just happen to have had that one on hand and scanned.

But that's why I was wondering about other equipment...best to widen the net, *if* the paint is known to be the same.


At 01:37 PM 8/5/2019, Charlie Vlk wrote:
All-
Surely there are Monon Lettering and Painting Drawings out there that list the Paint Manufacturer, Color Name, and Stock Number for the band.
Having that information might put the color used in context as colors were used across a number of railroads and, while the final appearance varied in due to differences in primer, previous colors and top coat application it would be a start in clearing up the confusion and might narrow down time frames by looking at the issue dates of the drawings.
Charlie Vlk

Bob Webber


Re: Monon

Chad Boas
 

Here's the painting diagram for the 50' DD and says 27" GRAY
Chad Boas


Re: Monon

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Surely there are Monon Lettering and Painting Drawings out there that list the Paint Manufacturer, Color Name, and Stock Number for the band.

Having that information might put the color used in context as colors were used across a number of railroads and, while the final appearance varied in due to differences in primer, previous colors and top coat application it would be a start in clearing up the confusion and might narrow down time frames by looking at the issue dates of the drawings.

Charlie Vlk

 


Re: Metal Wheels

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

Responding to a report that Kadee HO wheelset axles measure 1.020” rather than my reported 1.015”, I hauled out a dog’s breakfast of stashed KD wheel sets of varying vintage, as well as opened up a fresh pack.   I re-measured again a fair number of sets from both caches, and although there were some uncommon small variances .002”+ and .003” minus, all seemed to confirm the 1.015” standard.

Tony Thompson’s good comment that broad generalities about brand names are simply irrelevant is right on, given good wheels reliably in gauge, while almost everything else depends on about how the individual axle length performs within the individual truck, e.g. trucks of the same external dimensions can have bearing holes of vastly different depths.  I note that neither Tangent and Rapido (nor Intermountain for that matter) publish axle dimensions, so one has no idea -none, nada, zip- whether they are 0.990” or 1.020”, a vast difference that commonly presages vast and critical differences in expected or desired performance.  The differing axle lengths   of Reboxx wheels (0.0950”to 0.145”) were their genius and they are sorely missed (the business is firmly dormant with inventory hollowed-out and no restock forthcoming).  If NWSL continues -and it still might under a new ownership- I would urge them to take on and produce  a line of axles of more varying lengths and let the buyer install the wheels. These could be supplemental to mass market wheel sets.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864




Re: Monon

Benjamin Hom
 

Armand Premo asked:
"Does that include early post war lettering?"

Here's Mont's list of decals.  Set number 300 should have what you need.
Ben Hom


Re: Monon

Armand Premo
 

Bill,Does that include early post war lettering ?Armand Premo

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 12:38 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
IMWX/Red Caboose 1937 kit and Mont Switzer's decals.

Bill Welch


Re: Monon

Bill Keene
 

Bill,

Thank you for the response. 

I do have a couple of the IMWX kits on the shelf. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Aug 5, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

IMWX/Red Caboose 1937 kit and Mont Switzer's decals.

Bill Welch


Re: Monon

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

I am not certain of it, but I think all of these PS-1 box cars were delivered with the white band

MONON series 865 to 994 built 1957 PS 6ft YNG doors

Tim


On 8/5/2019 12:16 PM, Bob Webber wrote:
Were any of these cars with bands painted this way from the builder? (Builder records may be available - for instance, the grey on Monon covered hoppers can be located).

Is this "imitation aluminum" such as the CB&Q used on their F units ("Gray backs")?

If the band is the same as other cars (caboose, ?) were they "as built"?

At 11:06 AM 8/5/2019, Michael Aufderheide wrote:
Tim,

Attached is an example of what Bill is talking about; obviously gray when compared to the white lettering. This is a repaint of an early 40s car.

Although desirable to have railroad documents, Monon modelers have to content themselves with this sort of 'proof'.  Most of the car department papers were destroyed.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Bob Webber

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Monon

Bill Welch
 

IMWX/Red Caboose 1937 kit and Mont Switzer's decals.

Bill Welch


Re: Monon

Tim O'Connor
 


Mike, I didn't dispute the color - many people think that the SOO Line painted
locomotives and freight cars white too, but they were not "pure white". There are
many such examples from other roads too.

I like this photo from my modeling period that shows the white band outlasted
the other lettering!



On 8/5/2019 12:06 PM, Michael Aufderheide wrote:
Tim,

Attached is an example of what Bill is talking about; obviously gray when compared to the white lettering. This is a repaint of an early 40s car. Although desirable to have railroad documents, Monon modelers have to content themselves with this sort of 'proof'.  Most of the car department papers were destroyed.

Regards, Mike Aufderheide

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Monon

Tim O'Connor
 


Like SP "lettering gray" applied to all locomotives and passenger cars
until the 1980's that looked white in bright sunlight and faded to white
as well. Model makers finally started applying the correct color 20 to 25
years ago.



On 8/5/2019 11:46 AM, william darnaby wrote:
The band was light gray out of the paint shop and it can definitely be seen in photos, even black and white ones, of recently painted cars.  Having said that, however, it quickly chalked to white and everyone models it that way even the manufacturers.


Bill Darnaby 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Monon

Bill Keene
 

Hello All,

Anyone have a recommendation of a kit or model to use as a starting point for modeling this car? 


Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Aug 5, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Michael Aufderheide <MononInMonon@...> wrote:

Tim,

Attached is an example of what Bill is talking about; obviously gray when compared to the white lettering. This is a repaint of an early 40s car.  

Although desirable to have railroad documents, Monon modelers have to content themselves with this sort of 'proof'.  Most of the car department papers were destroyed.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide <9046-1.jpg>


Re: Monon

Bob Webber
 

Were any of these cars with bands painted this way from the builder? (Builder records may be available - for instance, the grey on Monon covered hoppers can be located).

Is this "imitation aluminum" such as the CB&Q used on their F units ("Gray backs")?

If the band is the same as other cars (caboose, ?) were they "as built"?

At 11:06 AM 8/5/2019, Michael Aufderheide wrote:
Tim,

Attached is an example of what Bill is talking about; obviously gray when compared to the white lettering. This is a repaint of an early 40s car.

Although desirable to have railroad documents, Monon modelers have to content themselves with this sort of 'proof'. Most of the car department papers were destroyed.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide
Bob Webber


Re: Monon

 

Tim,

Attached is an example of what Bill is talking about; obviously gray when compared to the white lettering. This is a repaint of an early 40s car.  

Although desirable to have railroad documents, Monon modelers have to content themselves with this sort of 'proof'.  Most of the car department papers were destroyed.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Monon

william darnaby
 

The band was light gray out of the paint shop and it can definitely be seen in photos, even black and white ones, of recently painted cars.  Having said that, however, it quickly chalked to white and everyone models it that way even the manufacturers.


Bill Darnaby 

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 10:11:44 AM CDT, Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...> wrote:


At 09:19 AM 8/3/2019, william darnaby wrote:
>If you mean "The Hoosier Line" on the light grey...yes it was
>gray... band across the top of boxcars, that would be 1952.

Ok I'll bite:
Was the band with "The Hoosier Line" -ALWAYS- light grey..?  ...or
did some re-paints get done in white?

...and just how light was the 'light' grey?  i.e. one drop of grey
in a bottle of white???
In several color photos from the late 1950s... both the band and the
lettering seem to have weathered-out to nearly the same shade.


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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