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Re: NRC flat end steel 40' reefers

Allan Smith
 

I Have photos of 19208,19220 and 19286 with flat ends.  Photos of 18609 and 18620 have 4/4 IDE ends.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Thursday, April 2, 2020, 09:34:06 PM PDT, pennsylvania1954 <stevehprr@...> wrote:


I am seeing some confusing info. Andy is asking about flat ends for NRC series 18500-19499. Tim provided photos of 18620, decidedly not flat end, and 19208 with flat ends. A photo of 19020, also with flat ends, can be found by searching "NRC" on this list. In my files I also have a photo of 19080 which shows flat ends. When I consult the Jan 1955 ORER, Item 31 is the line for 18500-19299 which includes all four of the cars I cited here. Although this photo evidence is not conclusive, I would hesitate before decaling a model with flat ends any number below 19000.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Photo: End-Loading Poultry Car

Bob Chaparro
 

And some comments from Doug Harding, who has some expertise in this area...

I dispute some of John Wubbel’s assumptions. And his commentary shows some of the confusion that exists out there.

The first photo shows poultry car LPTC 467, a standard Live Poultry designed car. The end doors were for ventilation, not for loading. This design had poultry loaded via the center door. The birds were removed from the farmer’s crates, and placed into the built in car crates by hand. There were some early poultry car designs that involved loading the farmer’s crates on to the car, but farmers had a hard time getting their crates back, so the Live Poultry design became the standard by the 1880s.

To my knowledge Hicks never built a poultry car. They did build stockcars, and the CGW did have some Hicks stockcars. I had not seen the photo of the CGW car on the Hanover Railway, but it shows a standard Hicks design.

And the drawing looks more like the interior of a horse car.

Doug  Harding


Re: NRC flat end steel 40' reefers

pennsylvania1954
 

I am seeing some confusing info. Andy is asking about flat ends for NRC series 18500-19499. Tim provided photos of 18620, decidedly not flat end, and 19208 with flat ends. A photo of 19020, also with flat ends, can be found by searching "NRC" on this list. In my files I also have a photo of 19080 which shows flat ends. When I consult the Jan 1955 ORER, Item 31 is the line for 18500-19299 which includes all four of the cars I cited here. Although this photo evidence is not conclusive, I would hesitate before decaling a model with flat ends any number below 19000.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Sunshine B&O O-59A gondola

Richard Remiarz
 

Elden,

 

Thanks for sending these.  I haven’t seen these before.

 

Rich Remiarz

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 10:11 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Sunshine B&O O-59A gondola

 

Rich;

 

Had you seen these?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Remiarz
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:33 AM
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Sunshine B&O O-59A gondola

 

I just finished assembling a Sunshine O-59A gondola.  Next up is the paint shop.  Thank you Ed a Hawkins for the article in RPC volume 23 on the Bethlehem gondolas.  The instructions only had a single small photo of the prototype.  The article was invaluable while assembling the kit.  

 

As long as we are sheltering in place, might as well work on the stash of resin kits.  Next up, a Speedwitch NP 50’ boxcar.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

 

On Apr 1, 2020, at 6:34 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:



Several modelers shared their hobby progress over a couple of days last week on a few discussion lists. As recent RPM events have been canceled or postponed, these posts were pulled onto the latest blog post to inspire readers to build and create. 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

 


Re: NRC flat end steel 40' reefers

mopacfirst
 

I believe the Microscale MDT set(s) is (are) correct.  The paint scheme shown, with the sans serif, can definitely be done with the Microscale set.  I don't know if these cars are old enough that they were first lettered in the MDT Roman style.

Ron Merrick


Clover Leaf Company Poultry Caretaker’s Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Clover Leaf Company Poultry Caretaker’s Car

Courtesy of the Nickel Plate Road Historical & Technical Society, here is a link to a drawing, photos and narrative about a circa 1920 Clover Leaf Company poultry caretaker’s car:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5be23b9196d455a4b380589c/t/5c65dc668165f53e880de8e4/1550179443141/september2015mn.pdf

The material appears on Page 35.

The drawing is from the Ray Breyer Collection and the photos are from the Steve Grigg collection

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Re: Sunshine B&O O-59A gondola

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Rich;

 

Had you seen these?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Remiarz
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:33 AM
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Sunshine B&O O-59A gondola

 

I just finished assembling a Sunshine O-59A gondola.  Next up is the paint shop.  Thank you Ed a Hawkins for the article in RPC volume 23 on the Bethlehem gondolas.  The instructions only had a single small photo of the prototype.  The article was invaluable while assembling the kit.  

 

As long as we are sheltering in place, might as well work on the stash of resin kits.  Next up, a Speedwitch NP 50’ boxcar.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 



On Apr 1, 2020, at 6:34 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:



Several modelers shared their hobby progress over a couple of days last week on a few discussion lists. As recent RPM events have been canceled or postponed, these posts were pulled onto the latest blog post to inspire readers to build and create. 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: NRC flat end steel 40' reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


This is my only photo of one with flat plate ends


On 4/1/2020 5:14 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Hello-

I have a composite kit made and sold by Stan Rydarowicz. The kit uses an Intermountain kit of a 40' steel ice bunker reefer with swinging doors. The Intermountain white kit box is labeled "RESIN PARTS NRC 18500-19499 Flat End"; the label positioned over the IM kit label. The Kit has rather brief generic instructions that covers actually a kit with new resin sides, which this one doesn't, but does have a twin raised panel resin roof and a pair of flat riveted ends. There is also a fairly nice plastic Apex style of running board with see-through detail. All of the Intermountain kit parts seem to be present.

My curiosity is compelling me to ask this group for the thoughts of how accurate of a kit for this class of 1000 reefers it is and if a good source of decals is available for it.



Thanks everyone,

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NRC flat end steel 40' reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


hmmm...

On 4/1/2020 5:14 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Hello-

I have a composite kit made and sold by Stan Rydarowicz. The kit uses an Intermountain kit of a 40' steel ice bunker reefer with swinging doors. The Intermountain white kit box is labeled "RESIN PARTS NRC 18500-19499 Flat End"; the label positioned over the IM kit label. The Kit has rather brief generic instructions that covers actually a kit with new resin sides, which this one doesn't, but does have a twin raised panel resin roof and a pair of flat riveted ends. There is also a fairly nice plastic Apex style of running board with see-through detail. All of the Intermountain kit parts seem to be present.

My curiosity is compelling me to ask this group for the thoughts of how accurate of a kit for this class of 1000 reefers it is and if a good source of decals is available for it.



Thanks everyone,

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail kit 4498

lsittler
 

Thanks Ben. I appreciate the info and the reference to the list archives. I have never really been involved with groups like this; so it’s all new to me and I apologize for bringing up “old news”. I’ll keep this in mind in the future. Les
 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 9:20 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io ; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail kit 4498
 
Les Sittler asked:
"The only remaining question I have is, you previously referenced the Don Valentine door and one-half kit- was this to retrofit the steel end cars back before they were rebuilt to 6’ doors or what was the purpose?"
 
The Standard Steel Car Co. (one of Don's New England Rail Service product lines) auxiliary door (conversion parts only, NOT a full kit) is for a kitbash of the Accurail SS boxcar into GTW automobile boxcars first documented by Richard Hendrickson in the April 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal (page 13):
Richard did this first kitbash by cutting up a second model for the auxiliary door - these conversion parts greatly facilitate this project.

Realize that you're new here, but a lot of your questions on the Accurail cars have been discussed before on this list.  You might want to give the list archives a search first.  The search engine isn't terribly great, but it stands a good chance to turn up answers to previous questions.  In this case, several list members have done this project in the past and posted photos and other information.
 
 
Ben Hom

Virus-free. www.avg.com


NRC flat end steel 40' reefers

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I have a composite kit made and sold by Stan Rydarowicz. The kit uses an Intermountain kit of a 40' steel ice bunker reefer with swinging doors. The Intermountain white kit box is labeled "RESIN PARTS NRC 18500-19499 Flat End"; the label positioned over the IM kit label. The Kit has rather brief generic instructions that covers actually a kit with new resin sides, which this one doesn't, but does have a twin raised panel resin roof and a pair of flat riveted ends. There is also a fairly nice plastic Apex style of running board with see-through detail. All of the Intermountain kit parts seem to be present.

My curiosity is compelling me to ask this group for the thoughts of how accurate of a kit for this class of 1000 reefers it is and if a good source of decals is available for it.



Thanks everyone,

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Kadee Shutdown Announced

Schuyler Larrabee
 

That’s one advantage of being a SLOW modeler.  I stand very little risk of running out of 158s.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 1:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kadee Shutdown Announced

 

I just received an email announcement from Kadee that they are shutting down for the duration of the epidemic as they are considered non-essential by the state of Oregon. 

This may mean I will have to re-use all those old #5 couplers I have been replacing once I run  out of #158's.  

Don't Panic and Carry On....
--
Ken Adams


Kadee Shutdown Announced

Ken Adams
 

I just received an email announcement from Kadee that they are shutting down for the duration of the epidemic as they are considered non-essential by the state of Oregon. 

This may mean I will have to re-use all those old #5 couplers I have been replacing once I run  out of #158's.  

Don't Panic and Carry On....
--
Ken Adams


Re: Reading Company 1954 Freight Shippers' Guide

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks!  Made a donation, too.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Reading Company 1954 Freight Shippers' Guide

 

Reading Company 1954 Freight Shippers' Guide

Courtesy of the Reading Modeler:

http://readingmodeler.info/index.php/articles/1954-freight-shippers-guide

Description: "The Reading Company published its "Freight Shippers Guide" for several years. The Guide included a list of all stations on the Reading, and all customers served at those locations. It also included several interesting pieces of information useful to modelers, such as the facilities available at each station (i.e., cranes, cattle pens, etc.) for the shipment and delivery of freight.

While these guides are becoming somewhat rare, we've scanned and PDF'd a copy of the 1954 version of the Guide, and are making it available online as a series of PDF files for your reference.  We hope you find this information useful in your Reading modeling efforts!"

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: End-Loading Poultry Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: End-Loading Poultry Car

It's the first photo in this group from a John Wubbel post in O-Scale Trains Magazine:

http://oscalemag.com/wordpress/ost-forums/ost-2-rail-forums-group2/prototype-modeling-forum6/old-weedy-buys-stock-from-hicks-thread1112.3/

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

John commented, "In my research, it is difficult to come across photos of loading rail cars and the photo below show a poultry car with the ability to load from the ends. The Hicks Car that CGW had during this time period of 1907 I have not seen ends designed for loading the Hicks Cars in that manner. That is not to say they did not exist, I just have not run across any of this time period from Hicks that CGW purchased.

The second photo is another CGW Hicks Car for further historical reference. This shot was taken on the Hanover Railway which was a 2.5 mile line connecting into the CGW from Hanover, IL. just slightly south west of Elizabeth. I like this photo because it shows a slightly different lettering on the side of the car where the company name was stacked words.

The third photo I think is a 1881 drawing of what I believe is 1st class travel not coach for a cow."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Reading Company 1954 Freight Shippers' Guide

Bob Chaparro
 

Reading Company 1954 Freight Shippers' Guide

Courtesy of the Reading Modeler:

http://readingmodeler.info/index.php/articles/1954-freight-shippers-guide

Description: "The Reading Company published its "Freight Shippers Guide" for several years. The Guide included a list of all stations on the Reading, and all customers served at those locations. It also included several interesting pieces of information useful to modelers, such as the facilities available at each station (i.e., cranes, cattle pens, etc.) for the shipment and delivery of freight.

While these guides are becoming somewhat rare, we've scanned and PDF'd a copy of the 1954 version of the Guide, and are making it available online as a series of PDF files for your reference.  We hope you find this information useful in your Reading modeling efforts!"

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 101 Years of Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Official Minute Books and Records on 35 mm Microfilm 1849 to 1950 and C.E. Perkins Papers 1863-1907 Microfilm

Bruce A. Metcalf
 

Charlie,

Thank you for all the responses to my plea....but so far nobody has come up
with any strategy that I haven't tried, retried, and attacked with every
permutation of search terms that I could think of.....
Recently I have used Google Scholar and several other academic research
search engines. I have come up with a number of interesting articles but
none of them lead to the (((#$&(@ online catalog listing that I cannot find.
I have come back to the original article in the Colorado History magazine
and review thereof in American Archivist and several other references but
not the microfilms themselves.
I have tried direct frontal attacks on likely university and other
institution online catalogs but so far nothing is popping up that resembles
the link I lost. Sigh.....
Sounds like it's time for you to employ the services of a reference librarian at an academic library. Try your local universities, or just as your local public library for a recommendation.

Some times you just need professional help!

Cheers,
/ Bruce /


Re: NP 202299 circa 1926

Bob Webber
 

"Honey welcome to your new Home" response is "Wye????"

At 11:08 AM 4/1/2020, you wrote:
NP 202299 circa 1926, retired 2/4/1928 under NP AFE 5088-28.

"Honey welcome to your new Home"

or

Kitbash

-Hudson

Bob Webber


Re: Accurail kit 4498

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Great response Dennis and the photos print out really well for reference as well.

Much appreciated, Don Valentine


NP 202299 circa 1926

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

NP 202299 circa 1926, retired 2/4/1928 under NP AFE 5088-28.

"Honey welcome to your new Home"

or

Kitbash

-Hudson

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