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Re: I believe this is an Armour reefer - can anyone confirm or refute?
Most likely an early Armour P/L scheme. See attached photo.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of al_brown03
Left of the door looks to me like "Armour" over "Refrigerator" over "Line". I imagine the logo to the right of the door advertises some product.
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Re: WP Dispatch Service [was Less Than Carload Shipments]
Bob Webber
& branchline did the kit in HO with lettering....Somewhere I have the original ad for the cars - and have 4 of the Branchline cars
Grey - btw - the MP Eagle LCL cars also were grey not white. At 03:32 AM 8/7/2019, Garth Groff wrote: Fred,Bob Webber
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Less Than Carload Shipments
Here is a scan of the M&StL’s LCL Schedule, circa 1952, the year the green boxcars were painted. The MSTL had trucking firms contracted to handle LCL service in many smaller communities. Brady trucking of Fort Dodge was the company used in Iowa. Spellacy was the company used in Minnesota. The MSTL also had a fleet of trucks for this service.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 3:33 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Less Than Carload Shipments
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Re: I believe this is an Armour reefer - can anyone confirm or refute?
al_brown03
Left of the door looks to me like "Armour" over "Refrigerator" over "Line". I imagine the logo to the right of the door advertises some product.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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I believe this is an Armour reefer - can anyone confirm or refute?
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
There is a nice image of a reefer at the image
below - caption reads "The Refrigerator Plant and Adjacent Long Island Railroad
Siding at Camp Upton"
You can see a bigger version of the image
by...
Clicking on the image
Then clicking on 'View larger'
At this point, you can go further and get a still
bigger image by right-clicking on the image and clicking on 'View image' - this
last part works in Firefox at least, other browsers and you are on your
own.
I believe this is an Armour reefer - can anyone
confirm or refute?
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Less Than Carload Shipments
According to this web site, the Pacific Electric ceased all RAIL LCL in 1952, and transferred the service to trucks (e.g. Pacific Motor Transport). Someone here mentioned using LCL rather late, it taking a month to cross the country, and suspecting it was all done by truck. That sounds right to me. The SP embraced intermodal by the early 1950's and Overnight trains had lots of piggyback trailers even before the end of steam operations. http://www.elserenohistoricalsociety.org/P___E_RR.php Tim O'Connor
On 8/7/2019 3:13 PM, C J Wyatt wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Less Than Carload Shipments
C J Wyatt
If something was completely hopeless, you could get a favorable ICC decision. With LCL, I think that happened long before the Staggers Act. I never came across any railroad operated LCL operations in the seventies during my railroad career. Jack Wyatt
On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 12:44:14 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Mike, I don't think Dennis meant it died instantly. It was a slow death. ;-) As Dennis noted, and I think he may be right, railroads could not opt out without cause until after the Staggers Act took effect. (It took years to be fully in effect.) Tim O' On 8/6/2019 1:28 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io wrote: Hello Dennis &
Group!
Down below, Dennis S
says the following--
"The traditional
operation, where the local freight had an LCL car that
delivered to each station as it worked down the line,
died with the end of WWII."
Respectfully,
I must submit, this is simply wrong.
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: WP Dispatch Service [was Less Than Carload Shipments]
Rod Miller
Protocraft makes the WP Dispatch lettering in O scale:
https://protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=252&;Categoryid=20&This_Sub_Sub_Category=WP -- Rod Miller Handcraftsman === Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More http://www.rodmiller.com
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Re: Atlas HO Meat Reefer Reservations
Bill Welch
Thanks Doug, the is an Armour truss rod I want to do.
Bill Welch
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Re: Trouble shooting a freight car
Marty McGuirk
I bought two of these cars - one of them had a loose weight.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Jared, is the weight secured inside the car? Marty
On Aug 6, 2019, at 4:56 PM, Bruce A. Metcalf <brmetcalf@comcast.net> wrote:On 8/5/19 10:15 PM, Jared Harper wrote:In my experience, this is usually caused by the weight being tilted up against one side of the car instead of on the floor.
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Re: Atlas HO Meat Reefer Reservations
Also be aware that some underframes came with truss rods, some did not. The metal casting the was the same, complete with holes for truss rods in the cars that did not have truss rods.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Among the several items Atlas is taking reservations for are their three styles of meat reefers: https://mycaboose.com/new-releases/atlas-ho-rolling-stock-summer-advanced-reservations?mc_cid=e5cbde1b3e&mc_eid=fef507ff99&page=1&utm_campaign=e5cbde1b3e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_03_09_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Caboose+Newsletter&utm_term=0_907397b93c-e5cbde1b3e-100264421 —36' Wood Refrigerator Car Undecorated Body Style 1 Part #150-20001678—36' Wood Refrigerator Car Undecorated Body Style 2 Part #150-20001679
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Less Than Carload Shipments
Mike, I don't think Dennis meant it died instantly. It was a slow death. ;-) As Dennis noted, and I think he may be right, railroads could not opt out without cause until after the Staggers Act took effect. (It took years to be fully in effect.) Tim O'
On 8/6/2019 1:28 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: WP Dispatch Service [was Less Than Carload Shipments]
Garth
Great story and information from both historical and as example of operations (suitable for modelling) . Who said the railroads were inflexible? regards davew
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Re: Trouble shooting a freight car
Bruce A. Metcalf <brmetcalf@...>
On 8/5/19 10:15 PM, Jared Harper wrote:
At the Collinsville RPM meet I "won" a Rapido NP Pre-War USRA DS box car. It is a beautiful model except for one thing, it lists to one side. I am not so great at troubleshooting freight car problems. Do any of you have a suggestion as to how I should correct this list.?In my experience, this is usually caused by the weight being tilted up against one side of the car instead of on the floor. Second place I'd look would be the body not sitting level on the floor. I suppose both trucks could be mashed, but that seems unlikely. Or you could just send it to me and get rid of your problem that way! <G> Cheers, / Bruce /
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Re: Metal Wheels
TICHY sells nylon journal bearing inserts that will allow you to use much shorter axles. You drill/ream the sideframe to take the insert. They work great with old brass trucks with straight (not tapered) journals. Tim O'Connor
On 8/7/2019 7:47 AM, Mark Stamm wrote:
The NMRA practice is what has me in a pickle. I have tons of Bowser H21 hoppers; my primary interest is the PRR. Those plastic wheels have to go and to my knowledge only Reboxx makes replacement sets in the 1.035 length. Any other wheel set I have tried has to much slop side to side. Mark P Stamm --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Metal Wheels
Dennis Storzek
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 07:19 AM, Alexander Schneider Jr wrote:
...between the two Accurail designs of 1.010" and 1.025” would be a good “preferred” value. Lifelike seems to be the dominant replacement wheel at 1.015”.I should correct one misconception that has crept in here... the Accurail truck tool was initially designed to accommodate our molded plastic wheels, and required metal replacement wheels with axles no longer than 1.005". As revised, it will accommodate axles up to 1.015". I don't doubt that Doc Denny has found an Accurail truck that will accept an axle 1.025' long, but it's an outlier. All three Accurail trucks use the exact same inner mechanics to form the bearing cones, and I mean EXACTLY the same parts; only the side actions that have the sideframe detail are changed out. That's not to say that the varying thickness of the sideframes doesn't cause slightly different shrinkage, and polyacetal is a high shrink polymer, but those differences are going to get lost in the gradual change of the cavity dimensions as the movable parts that form the cones wear between maintenance cycles. If we have a crash (it happens) that damages one of those sliding parts (called lifters in the injection molding trade, although the name is a misnomer) replacing one will change the dimensions of that axle spot only, until the tool is completely re-worked during periodic maintenance. Dennis Storzek Accurail, Inc.
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Re: Metal Wheels
Dennis Storzek
Hmmm, the groups.io froze and wouldn't allow me to finish the last message. I'm curious about the Bowser axles. If the axles are usable, and the axles are a common diameter, either 3/32 (,09375) or 2 mm (.0787) it should be possible to press the wheels off the axles and press metal wheels on. I'd look for donor wheelsets that are double insulated, because it is considerably easier to press wheels with plastic bushings off and on.
Dennis Storzek
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Re: Metal Wheels
Dennis Storzek
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 07:19 AM, Alexander Schneider Jr wrote:
It should be noted that NMRA RP 24.3, "Axles", specifies only the MAXIMUM length, which is 1.035".This is true, and I am aware of it. The problem with how the NMRA Standards and R.P.s are written is while they typically give limits, they give absolutely no guidance as to what the preferred length might be. With no guidance and little or no experience in the hobby, the mold designer will typically pick a value close to the specified limit, only allowing a reasonable manufacturing tolerance so as to ensure they don't exceed the limit... such as 1.032 +/- .002" should keep us safe. That totally misses the point that if .990" would have been a better length, then the axles should have been .990. It's a shame that the gentleman who wants to re-wheel the Bowser cars didn't look into it a couple of years ago, because NWSL used to be able to provide custom length axles for a reasonable extra set-up charge. Now that NWSL is closing, that source is gone.
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Less Than Carload Shipments
Randy Hammill
Like so many things, the timeframe varied on different roads. For example, the Steam Era ended on the New Haven in 1952.
I know in the era I’m modeling (1946-54) the NH still handles a lot of LCL traffic. The “peddler” or “way” car is long since gone, and many of the smaller freight houses are served by truck (by the NH using NETCo trucks). This is all documented in their twice-annual publication of Package Car Schedules. Most of the stations that are open are routed directly to regular service points; Chicago, Enola, Philadelphia Transfer, etc, but a few are consolidated at Cedar Hill before shipping offline. I believe that it is primarily the truck traffic that is consolidated there. Having said that, there are some intraline transfers. New Britain was a large freight house, and in some years it is noted that LCL for Middletown is routed through New Britain, which is obviously consolidated at the freight house, and it is routed by train - on a local to Hartford, then a local to Middletown the next day. Undoubtedly there are other locations that do the same. I also have a book of freight bills from the O&W that is all the inbound and outbound traffic handled at Norwich, NY in July ‘52. It’s a mix of LCL cars handled at the freight house, and LCL from local industries (although I haven’t verified if they have local sidings), and those cars have up to a dozen or more destinations, sometimes on several roads. I don’t see any that seem to be traveling down one line, freight house to freight house, but I wouldn’t expect that to come from a foreign road anyway. But clearly they are loaded for local destinations. For example, NYC 159515 was loaded on 7/28/52 with the following destinations: Baltic OH (NYCStL); Yorktown Heights NY (NYC-E); Great Valley NY (B&O); Amenia NY (NYC-E); Corfu NY (NYC-E); Warsaw NY (B&O); Brockport NY (NYC-E) (2 different industries); and Conajaharie NY (NYC-WS). Pretty much every day there are a couple cars loaded from a couple industries in this way. That’s the order of the bills in the book, I haven’t plotted a route (the route to each destination is noted, though). I suspect that majority of these deliveries would be to a local freight house, but I also haven’t verified the existence of an open freight house in the matching Open and Prepay Station List for that year. If one of the destinations in 1952 was Rocky Hill CT, and it was an industry without their own siding, then it would be unloaded at the Hartford freight house and trucked to Rocky Hill. Randy -- — Randy Hammill Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 | https//:newbritainstation.com
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Re: Atlas HO Meat Reefer Reservations
Bill Welch
Thank you Ray.
Bill Welch
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