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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Jeff Sankus
 

All
Tim is correct that the scheme Michael requested is now offered by Tichy. 
I'm sure Hubert Mask could be talked into offering the Around Chicago set as well.
Hopefully Hubert will be at St.Louis. I'll speak to him about tis set as I'd like to model these also.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 3:27 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Here are clearer pictures showing the EJ&E 10-0 postwar box car in its
original lettering,
which I think was WHITE.





On 7/12/2019 11:24 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
> I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof.
>
> The later cars with wide doorways, billboard schemes, abbreviated top rib ends and 10' interior heights (attached) are a tough project, and no decals I was ever able to find.
>
> What a great resin kit those would make!
>
> Elden Gatwood
>
> Attachments:
> EJE 61096 1963.jpg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/165402/0
> eje 61216 10ftIH circa1953.jpg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/165402/1


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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Tim O'Connor
 

The EJ&E applied at least four other paint schemes that included green & orange colors,
as attached here. Note the physical differences between some of the cars - they are not
all exactly alike.

Tim O'Connor

On 7/12/2019 11:24 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Guys;

I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof.

The later cars with wide doorways, billboard schemes, abbreviated top rib ends and 10' interior heights (attached) are a tough project, and no decals I was ever able to find.

What a great resin kit those would make!

Elden Gatwood
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Questions for my first resin build

Richard Townsend
 

There was an article in RMC a while ago about modeling a watermelon load. I don’t remember whether it was in a stock car or box car. I am not at home so I can’t check my files.


On Jul 12, 2019, at 2:40 PM, James E Kubanick <jekuban@...> wrote:

Paolo,

Welcome! I see you have received many excellent tips from the Group. You indicate that your  resin kits are mostly F&C kits. It is well known by this group that F&C's instruction sheets are not the best. I often struggle with the poor photographs and have difficulty in identifying smaller parts due to the vagueness in wording in these sheets.

So, my advice is to work slowly and, should you have any difficulty in interpreting anything in the instructions, do not hesitate to post your questions to this Group. It is a wonderful resource for solving these issues and the members are more than willing to help.

Have fun on your builds.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Friday, July 12, 2019, 12:38:30 PM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


The F&C people recommend "Shout" for cleaning their resin.
I never tap, just screw it in...Only time I should have was on Westerfield's old brittle gun metal gray castings. Had struggled though building and was screwing in the last truck screw when the thing shattered in my hand....
CW Propst


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Tim O'Connor
 

Here are clearer pictures showing the EJ&E 10-0 postwar box car in its original lettering,
which I think was WHITE.

On 7/12/2019 11:24 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof.

The later cars with wide doorways, billboard schemes, abbreviated top rib ends and 10' interior heights (attached) are a tough project, and no decals I was ever able to find.

What a great resin kit those would make!

Elden Gatwood

Attachments:
EJE 61096 1963.jpg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/165402/0
eje 61216 10ftIH circa1953.jpg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/165402/1
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Tim O'Connor
 

Michael

I think the only source is now Jerry Glow - or Tichy, since Jerry may have sold that
art to Tichy. Jerry may have done the orange lettering for two different cars.

Tim O'

On 7/12/2019 11:01 AM, Michael Gross wrote:
While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E?
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started?

Tony Thompson
 

Elden Gatwood wrote:

I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof.
Excellent model of a distinctive prototype, Elden. Good work!

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Questions for my first resin build

James E Kubanick
 

Paolo,

Welcome! I see you have received many excellent tips from the Group. You indicate that your  resin kits are mostly F&C kits. It is well known by this group that F&C's instruction sheets are not the best. I often struggle with the poor photographs and have difficulty in identifying smaller parts due to the vagueness in wording in these sheets.

So, my advice is to work slowly and, should you have any difficulty in interpreting anything in the instructions, do not hesitate to post your questions to this Group. It is a wonderful resource for solving these issues and the members are more than willing to help.

Have fun on your builds.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Friday, July 12, 2019, 12:38:30 PM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


The F&C people recommend "Shout" for cleaning their resin.
I never tap, just screw it in...Only time I should have was on Westerfield's old brittle gun metal gray castings. Had struggled though building and was screwing in the last truck screw when the thing shattered in my hand....
CW Propst


Re: Watermelons

Rich Gibson
 

Given the Missouri caption, my first guess would be St. Louis, Iron Mtn & Southern.

Rich Gibson
Golden, CO


Re: Watermelons

Douglas Harding
 

Claus I would agree with Dennis & Ben. The stockcar is most likely a St. Louis Iron Mountain & Southern car. One of the other photos I posted came from this site http://www.scottcountygenealogy.org/search/label/Blodgett%20Missouri Blodgett is in Scott Co. MO, and was home to the Iron Mountain Railroad ran through there, hauling watermelons.

 

The Fort Dodge Des Moines & Southern came into existence in 1906, but in the 1913 ORER shows no stockcars for the FDDM&S. It was an electric line across central Iowa.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Andy;

I wholeheartedly agree!

I understand they were originally contemplated as steel carriers (like the P&WV ACF cars, and the B&LE XM-5's), and so, got wide doorways for forklifts. Since there was no need for a tall car, and limited clearances in some of the mills, it makes sense they were only 10' IH.

Early steel shipment is kinda my thing, so these cars are fascinating.

And some of the coolest P&L EVER!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 11:52 AM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Wow, what a cool car, Eldon!

If this is an 8' door car, a somewhat easy kit bash can be made by removing the outer two panels on each end of a Branchline #1000A Blueprint series 50' 16 panel box car, followed by trimming the top of the sides by 6 scale inches. A 7' door car can be made with a bit more work. The rewards of going to this work pays off well when compared to a CB&T shops version with over-sized rivets.


-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Guys;

I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof.

The later cars with wide doorways, billboard schemes, abbreviated top rib ends and 10' interior heights (attached) are a tough project, and no decals I was ever able to find.

What a great resin kit those would make!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----


Tichy makes them. Tho they are a bit thick...
Joe Binish

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com <mailto:ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com> <mailto:ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com <mailto:ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com> > > wrote:


While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E?
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Watermelons

Clark Propst
 

Interesting photos Doug! I recall a friend telling me a story from his childhood about finding a watermelon left in a ventilated car by mistake. He said it was covered with straw...They must have used straw for packing?
CW Propst


Re: Questions for my first resin build

Clark Propst
 

The F&C people recommend "Shout" for cleaning their resin.
I never tap, just screw it in...Only time I should have was on Westerfield's old brittle gun metal gray castings. Had struggled though building and was screwing in the last truck screw when the thing shattered in my hand....
CW Propst


Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Andy Carlson
 

Wow, what a cool car, Eldon!

If this is an 8' door car, a somewhat easy kit bash can be made by removing the outer two panels on each end of a Branchline #1000A Blueprint series 50' 16 panel box car, followed by trimming the top of the sides by 6 scale inches.  A 7' door car can be made with a bit more work.  The rewards of going to this work pays off well when compared to a CB&T shops version with over-sized rivets.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Guys;

I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof.

The later cars with wide doorways, billboard schemes, abbreviated top rib ends and 10' interior heights (attached) are a tough project, and no decals I was ever able to find.

What a great resin kit those would make!

Elden Gatwood


-----Original Message-----


Tichy makes them.  Tho they are a bit thick...
Joe Binish

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@... <mailto:ActorMichaelGross@...> > wrote:


    While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E?
    --
    Michael Gross
    Pasadena, CA

   

   




Re: Watermelons

william darnaby
 

I have photos of watermelons being loaded into interurban stock cars on the Indiana Railroad (electric) south of Indianapolis.

Bill Darnaby






On Friday, July 12, 2019, 08:26:48 AM CDT, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:


Here are a couple of photos showing watermelons inside stockcars.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 7:49 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Watermelons

 

Yes, watermelons in stockcars was very common. Typically laid in a bed of straw for cushioning. Attached are a few photos.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Courtney via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Watermelons

 

On another list a modelers was discussing modeling the ACL watermelon car.  He says he was from Texas and mentioned a town that he says was the watermelon shipping capital during the 1940's.  He then said most the photos he had showed the watermelons being shipped in stockcars.  Hmm.  A stockcar amongst the reefers at a Produce dealer?

George Courtney


Re: Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Brian Carlson
 

I tried a tichy decal once. I threw it out.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 12, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Joseph <Mstl852@...> wrote:

Tichy makes them.  Tho they are a bit thick...
Joe Binish

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:
While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E?
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof.

The later cars with wide doorways, billboard schemes, abbreviated top rib ends and 10' interior heights (attached) are a tough project, and no decals I was ever able to find.

What a great resin kit those would make!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Tichy makes them. Tho they are a bit thick...
Joe Binish

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com <mailto:ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com> > wrote:


While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E?
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Questions for my first resin build

Jim Betz
 

Hi Paolo,

  I'm going to commit heresy here ... but this works for me ... with respect to 
whether or not to wear gloves (yes, fingerprints are to be avoided in the
final product) ... i have found that if I simply wash and dry my hands before
working on the model (assembly, paint, decals - all 3) that I have never
seen a fingerprint on anything.  
  I remove flash and do any other sanding - and wash the model parts after
any sanding ... and make certain the model is fully dry before any paint.

  As to paint - lots of thin coats always results in a better finish than only
one or two.  Priming will result in even color - but I don't worry about the
color being "even" because I weather -everything- I do ... I use washes,
detail color for things like grabs, and a final "blending coat" with an air
brush (a -very light- coat of a weathering color such as dust/grime/etc.).
Finally - always a dull coat to kill any shine on anything that might be left.

                                                 - have fun ... Jim


Re: Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Joseph
 

Tichy makes them.  Tho they are a bit thick...
Joe Binish

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:
While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E?
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Michael Gross
 

While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E?
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Watermelons

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
"One image has reporting marks that seem to terminate in M&S, but I bet there are more initials on the left end the reporting mark that the photographer cut off - making the reporting marks possibly have the format xxM&S or xxxM&S.

I am wondering if it is Fort Dodge Des Moines & Southern, which would make the reporting marks FtDDM&S... anyone have any thoughts with regard to whose stock car we are looking at?"

Judging from the caption referencing Missouri watermelons and the vintage of the car, it's more likely that the car belongs to the St. Louis, Iron Mountain & Southern, later merged into the Missouri Pacific.


Ben Hom

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