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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???
Jeff Sankus
All Tim is correct that the scheme Michael requested is now offered by Tichy. Mask Island Decals offers this scheme for EJ&E. https://www.maskislanddecals.com/product/eje-elgin-joliet-eastern-40-box-orange-built-by-eje-outerbelt-and-around-not-thru-logo/ I'm sure Hubert Mask could be talked into offering the Around Chicago set as well. Hopefully Hubert will be at St.Louis. I'll speak to him about tis set as I'd like to model these also.
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 3:27 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???
The EJ&E applied at least four other paint schemes that included green & orange colors,
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as attached here. Note the physical differences between some of the cars - they are not all exactly alike. Tim O'Connor
On 7/12/2019 11:24 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Guys; --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Questions for my first resin build
Richard Townsend
There was an article in RMC a while ago about modeling a watermelon load. I don’t remember whether it was in a stock car or box car. I am not at home so I can’t check my files.
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On Jul 12, 2019, at 2:40 PM, James E Kubanick <jekuban@...> wrote:
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???
Here are clearer pictures showing the EJ&E 10-0 postwar box car in its original lettering,
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which I think was WHITE.
On 7/12/2019 11:24 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof. --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???
Michael
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I think the only source is now Jerry Glow - or Tichy, since Jerry may have sold that art to Tichy. Jerry may have done the orange lettering for two different cars. Tim O'
On 7/12/2019 11:01 AM, Michael Gross wrote:
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*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started?
Tony Thompson
Elden Gatwood wrote:
I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof.Excellent model of a distinctive prototype, Elden. Good work! Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com
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Re: Questions for my first resin build
Paolo, Welcome! I see you have received many excellent tips from the Group. You indicate that your resin kits are mostly F&C kits. It is well known by this group that F&C's instruction sheets are not the best. I often struggle with the poor photographs and have difficulty in identifying smaller parts due to the vagueness in wording in these sheets. So, my advice is to work slowly and, should you have any difficulty in interpreting anything in the instructions, do not hesitate to post your questions to this Group. It is a wonderful resource for solving these issues and the members are more than willing to help. Have fun on your builds. Jim Kubanick Morgantown WV
On Friday, July 12, 2019, 12:38:30 PM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
The F&C people recommend "Shout" for cleaning their resin. I never tap, just screw it in...Only time I should have was on Westerfield's old brittle gun metal gray castings. Had struggled though building and was screwing in the last truck screw when the thing shattered in my hand.... CW Propst
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Re: Watermelons
Rich Gibson
Given the Missouri caption, my first guess would be St. Louis, Iron Mtn & Southern.
Rich Gibson Golden, CO
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Re: Watermelons
Claus I would agree with Dennis & Ben. The stockcar is most likely a St. Louis Iron Mountain & Southern car. One of the other photos I posted came from this site http://www.scottcountygenealogy.org/search/label/Blodgett%20Missouri Blodgett is in Scott Co. MO, and was home to the Iron Mountain Railroad ran through there, hauling watermelons.
The Fort Dodge Des Moines & Southern came into existence in 1906, but in the 1913 ORER shows no stockcars for the FDDM&S. It was an electric line across central Iowa.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Andy;
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I wholeheartedly agree! I understand they were originally contemplated as steel carriers (like the P&WV ACF cars, and the B&LE XM-5's), and so, got wide doorways for forklifts. Since there was no need for a tall car, and limited clearances in some of the mills, it makes sense they were only 10' IH. Early steel shipment is kinda my thing, so these cars are fascinating. And some of the coolest P&L EVER! Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Carlson Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 11:52 AM To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available??? Wow, what a cool car, Eldon! If this is an 8' door car, a somewhat easy kit bash can be made by removing the outer two panels on each end of a Branchline #1000A Blueprint series 50' 16 panel box car, followed by trimming the top of the sides by 6 scale inches. A 7' door car can be made with a bit more work. The rewards of going to this work pays off well when compared to a CB&T shops version with over-sized rivets. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available??? Guys; I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof. The later cars with wide doorways, billboard schemes, abbreviated top rib ends and 10' interior heights (attached) are a tough project, and no decals I was ever able to find. What a great resin kit those would make! Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- Tichy makes them. Tho they are a bit thick... Joe Binish On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com <mailto:ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com> <mailto:ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com <mailto:ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com> > > wrote: While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E? -- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Re: Watermelons
Clark Propst
Interesting photos Doug! I recall a friend telling me a story from his childhood about finding a watermelon left in a ventilated car by mistake. He said it was covered with straw...They must have used straw for packing?
CW Propst
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Re: Questions for my first resin build
Clark Propst
The F&C people recommend "Shout" for cleaning their resin.
I never tap, just screw it in...Only time I should have was on Westerfield's old brittle gun metal gray castings. Had struggled though building and was screwing in the last truck screw when the thing shattered in my hand.... CW Propst
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Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???
Andy Carlson
Wow, what a cool car, Eldon! If this is an 8' door car, a somewhat easy kit bash can be made by removing the outer two panels on each end of a Branchline #1000A Blueprint series 50' 16 panel box car, followed by trimming the top of the sides by 6 scale inches. A 7' door car can be made with a bit more work. The rewards of going to this work pays off well when compared to a CB&T shops version with over-sized rivets. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available??? Guys; I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof. The later cars with wide doorways, billboard schemes, abbreviated top rib ends and 10' interior heights (attached) are a tough project, and no decals I was ever able to find. What a great resin kit those would make! Elden Gatwood
-----Original Message----- Tichy makes them. Tho they are a bit thick... Joe Binish On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@... <mailto:ActorMichaelGross@...> > wrote: While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E? -- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Re: Watermelons
william darnaby
I have photos of watermelons being loaded into interurban stock cars on the Indiana Railroad (electric) south of Indianapolis. Bill Darnaby
On Friday, July 12, 2019, 08:26:48 AM CDT, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:
Here are a couple of photos showing watermelons inside stockcars.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Yes, watermelons in stockcars was very common. Typically laid in a bed of straw for cushioning. Attached are a few photos.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Courtney via Groups.Io
On another list a modelers was discussing modeling the ACL watermelon car. He says he was from Texas and mentioned a town that he says was the watermelon shipping capital during the 1940's. He then said most the photos he had showed the watermelons being shipped in stockcars. Hmm. A stockcar amongst the reefers at a Produce dealer?
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Re: Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???
I tried a tichy decal once. I threw it out.
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Brian J. Carlson
On Jul 12, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Joseph <Mstl852@...> wrote:
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Guys;
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I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof. The later cars with wide doorways, billboard schemes, abbreviated top rib ends and 10' interior heights (attached) are a tough project, and no decals I was ever able to find. What a great resin kit those would make! Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 11:04 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available??? Tichy makes them. Tho they are a bit thick... Joe Binish On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com <mailto:ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com> > wrote: While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E? -- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Re: Questions for my first resin build
Hi Paolo,
I'm going to commit heresy here ... but this works for me ... with respect to whether or not to wear gloves (yes, fingerprints are to be avoided in the final product) ... i have found that if I simply wash and dry my hands before working on the model (assembly, paint, decals - all 3) that I have never seen a fingerprint on anything. I remove flash and do any other sanding - and wash the model parts after any sanding ... and make certain the model is fully dry before any paint. As to paint - lots of thin coats always results in a better finish than only one or two. Priming will result in even color - but I don't worry about the color being "even" because I weather -everything- I do ... I use washes, detail color for things like grabs, and a final "blending coat" with an air brush (a -very light- coat of a weathering color such as dust/grime/etc.). Finally - always a dull coat to kill any shine on anything that might be left. - have fun ... Jim
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Re: Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???
Joseph
Tichy makes them. Tho they are a bit thick... Joe Binish
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:01 AM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote: While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E?
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Re: Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???
Michael Gross
While we're on this subject, does anyone still make a decal of the iconic orange Chicago map and lettering on the EJ&E?
-- Michael Gross Pasadena, CA
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Re: Watermelons
Benjamin Hom
Claus Schlund asked: "One image has reporting marks that seem to terminate in M&S, but I bet there are more initials on the left end the reporting mark that the photographer cut off - making the reporting marks possibly have the format xxM&S or xxxM&S. I am wondering if it is Fort Dodge Des Moines & Southern, which would make the reporting marks FtDDM&S... anyone have any thoughts with regard to whose stock car we are looking at?" Judging from the caption referencing Missouri watermelons and the vintage of the car, it's more likely that the car belongs to the St. Louis, Iron Mountain & Southern, later merged into the Missouri Pacific. Ben Hom
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