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Photo: Wood Pipe Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Wood Pipe Load

A photo from The History of Sanitary Sewers website:

https://www.sewerhistory.org/images/pi/pil/1943_pil01.jpg

Notice the tree sapling cribbing.

Caption from the site: "Substitute materials used in WWII: a shipment of 1,488 feet of 18-inch, 24-inch, 30-inch and 36-inch wooden pipe on one flat car. [Looks like a gondola car to me.] Weight 70,020 pounds. An equal footage of reinforced concrete pipe weighs 455,412 pounds and requires over ten cars. These pipes, used in place of corrugated iron or reinforced concrete pipes, were made of sections cut from short lengths of wood. Locking of adjacent rings with hardwood dowel pins produced a flexible structure. About 100,000 feet of these wooden pipes were installed in 1942 in drainage culverts, storm sewers and conduits, under highways and at army camps, naval stations, airfields and ordnance plants. Photo date 1943."

The History of Sanitary Sewers website: https://www.sewerhistory.org/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: test

Paul Doggett
 

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Paul 


On 16 Jul 2019, at 20:32, rdietrichson <rdietrichson@...> wrote:

Thanks 














Thanks, it worked.

Rick






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From: "Paul Doggett via Groups.Io"
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday July 16 2019 3:28:10PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] test

Hello Rick 

Did that work.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Jul 2019, at 20:25, rdietrichson <rdietrichson@...> wrote:




Could someone please forward any message on this group.


Thanks,


Rick



Re: test

rdietrichson
 

Thanks 














Thanks, it worked.

Rick






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From: "Paul Doggett via Groups.Io"
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday July 16 2019 3:28:10PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] test

Hello Rick 

Did that work.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Jul 2019, at 20:25, rdietrichson <rdietrichson@...> wrote:




Could someone please forward any message on this group.


Thanks,


Rick



Re: test

Paul Doggett
 

Hello Rick 

Did that work.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Jul 2019, at 20:25, rdietrichson <rdietrichson@...> wrote:




Could someone please forward any message on this group.


Thanks,


Rick



test

rdietrichson
 




Could someone please forward any message on this group.


Thanks,


Rick



Re: SL-SF, KCS, CIL Boxcar Kits (was Re: [RealSTMFC] 3 new 40'er for Collinsville)

Benjamin Hom
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
"It might also help for Armand to consult some archival material.

For example, Ted Culotta covered the St. Louis-San Francisco single sheathed boxcar in the FIRST installment of “Essential Freight Cars” in RMC in April, 2003. In the 38th installment (July, 2007) he covered Katy's single-sheathed boxcars. And of course, Mont Switzer has covered CIL boxcars in exquisite detail in several presentations at Cocoa Beach."

Indeed.  Another overlooked reference is Ed Hawkins' updated AAR boxcar spreadsheets at the Steam Era Freight Cars website.

If we look at the 1937 AAR 10 ft IH summary, we'll find that SL-SF, KCS, and CIL all had these boxcars, though in relatively small quantities (750 cars or less for each road), and there's a wealth of information on these cars, including types of appliances. From this, you can plan your projects based on your preferred kit.


Ben Hom



Re: New Walthers freight cars

Charlie Vlk
 

What I recall most about Train Miniature is they were the among the first if not the first company to have monthly releases back in the day when we felt blessed if Athearn would favor us with a new freight car once a year.

 

Their innovative countertop displays were also a first.  MDC Roundhouse tried that model but was ultimately not as successful with it as T-M was.

 

Today the marketplace has changed and countertops are no longer a marketing tool.   Micro-Trains in N Scale is the only major manufacturer delivering monthly releases and has done so consistently for decades.

 

Charlie Vlk


Re: Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12

Bob Chaparro
 

From other folks I'm getting a consensus that the cars were merely stored at Santa Fe Springs and then moved up the line to Vernon and Los Angeles as needed. This does make sense.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: SL-SF, KCS, CIL Boxcar Kits (was Re: [RealSTMFC] 3 new 40'er for Collinsville)

Bruce Smith
 

It might also help for Armand to consult some archival material.

For example, Ted Culotta covered the St. Louis-San Francisco single sheathed boxcar in the FIRST installment of “Essential Freight Cars” in RMC in April, 2003. In the 38th installment (July, 2007) he covered Katy's single-sheathed boxcars. And of course, Mont Switzer has covered CIL boxcars in exquisite detail in several presentations at Cocoa Beach.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:50 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Armand Premo asked:
"Looking for a source for Frisco, KCS and CIL Boxcars Kits or RTR Any help would be appreciated."

I replied:
"That's a wide net.  Anything specific?"

Armand responded:
"Steam era box car, Single sheath, double sheath or ste[e]l. I need some representation of these roads.1950 cut off Although I would prefer 40[i]sh."

Still tantamount to asking "give me every boxcar kit that can be used to model these roads".  Sorry, but you're going to have to do some more homework to narrow down what you want.

First thought that comes to mind are PS-1s.  All three roads obtained PS-1s prior to 1950 - KCS in 1947 and 1948, SL-SF in 1948, and CIL in 1949.

These are low hanging fruit if you're willing to wait for Kadee to release these roadnames for their pre-1950 PS-1s.

Personally, I think post-1937 steel boxcars are over represented on most layouts as the models have been readily available over the history of the hobby, so going with PS-1s as representative examples might not be the way to go, especially if data shows a preponderance of other prototypes.


Ben Hom 


Re: BLI Penn Salt tank car paint schemes

Tim O'Connor
 

1961 photo

On 7/16/2019 12:08 AM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Ed,

When I clerked in Portland Or in 1961-62, the Penn Salt tank cars were painted in cream yellow and with a black center band and bottom with blue PENN SALT lettering.  The cars themselves were larger 11k gallon ICC 105s, mostly for chlorine.  Penn Salt had a facility in Willbridge just west of the Guilds Lake Yard where I spent many working hours, so I saw them fairly often.  I think the brown car with cursive script "Chemicals" lettering was a scheme used in the 1940s.  The one photo I've seen (sorry, can't recall its source) shows that the car was an ARA Type V built in the teens.  I think it has a 1951 or 1954 test date, but that's hard to distinguish.  I haven't seen the third scheme.  I hope this helps.

Todd Sullivan
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


SL-SF, KCS, CIL Boxcar Kits (was Re: [RealSTMFC] 3 new 40'er for Collinsville)

Benjamin Hom
 

Armand Premo asked:
"Looking for a source for Frisco, KCS and CIL Boxcars Kits or RTR Any help would be appreciated."

I replied:
"That's a wide net.  Anything specific?"

Armand responded:
"Steam era box car, Single sheath, double sheath or ste[e]l. I need some representation of these roads.1950 cut off Although I would prefer 40[i]sh."

Still tantamount to asking "give me every boxcar kit that can be used to model these roads".  Sorry, but you're going to have to do some more homework to narrow down what you want.

First thought that comes to mind are PS-1s.  All three roads obtained PS-1s prior to 1950 - KCS in 1947 and 1948, SL-SF in 1948, and CIL in 1949.

These are low hanging fruit if you're willing to wait for Kadee to release these roadnames for their pre-1950 PS-1s.

Personally, I think post-1937 steel boxcars are over represented on most layouts as the models have been readily available over the history of the hobby, so going with PS-1s as representative examples might not be the way to go, especially if data shows a preponderance of other prototypes.


Ben Hom 


Re: Slim pickings for RR magazine

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Reuben,

Our local Barnes & Noble still carries RMC, NG&SL GAZETTE, MR, HORNBY MAGAZINE and MODEL RAIL. Given that the two British pubs seem to be a month or so out of date, I suspect we get the unsold leavings, or shipping and distribution to B&N is slow. I usually buy MODEL RAIL for the scenery and small layout articles, and because I dabble in O-scale British narrow gauge. The rest I rarely buy unless there is an article of special interest. I'm tired of giant "beauty contest" layouts, which make up the content of most pubs now.

I was a charter subscriber to the GAZETTE (having just taken out a subscription to FINELINES when it started). I'm going to let my subscription lapse this year, as it has been a long time since there was anything useful to me in their pages except for the occasional history article. Instead I have joined the British 7mm Narrow Gauge Association, and like their pub very much.

Your Aye,


Garth Groff


On 7/15/19 9:45 PM, reubeft via Groups.Io wrote:
Just return from my local Books A Million.  Per conservation with a sales person they would and did rearrange their selections.  Apparently no longer carrying RMC & NGSLG & European RR mag's.
Do have Kalmbach .  Time to subscribe.  Remember when I could fine Prototype Modeler & Model Railroading at the local newsstand
Reuben @ Poplarville, Ms


Re: BLI Penn Salt tank car paint schemes

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Ed,

When I clerked in Portland Or in 1961-62, the Penn Salt tank cars were painted in cream yellow and with a black center band and bottom with blue PENN SALT lettering.  The cars themselves were larger 11k gallon ICC 105s, mostly for chlorine.  Penn Salt had a facility in Willbridge just west of the Guilds Lake Yard where I spent many working hours, so I saw them fairly often.  I think the brown car with cursive script "Chemicals" lettering was a scheme used in the 1940s.  The one photo I've seen (sorry, can't recall its source) shows that the car was an ARA Type V built in the teens.  I think it has a 1951 or 1954 test date, but that's hard to distinguish.  I haven't seen the third scheme.  I hope this helps.

Todd Sullivan. 


Re: New Walthers freight cars

golden1014
 

Tony Thompson wrote “I mean, when many of the models are nutty, why hold back?”

That is the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time!  Seriously, and sadly—considering the content—funny stuff.

LOLing in Germany,
John Golden


BLI Penn Salt tank car paint schemes

spsalso
 

BLI has done three different paint schemes for Penn Salt on their little tank car.

Anyone have info on "eras"?  I figure the yellow and blue is the last one--it looks "late".  But when was that?





Ed

Edward Sutorik


Slim pickings for RR magazine

reubeft
 

Just return from my local Books A Million.  Per conservation with a sales person they would and did rearrange their selections.  Apparently no longer carrying RMC & NGSLG & European RR mag's.
Do have Kalmbach .  Time to subscribe.  Remember when I could fine Prototype Modeler & Model Railroading at the local newsstand
Reuben @ Poplarville, Ms


Re: New Walthers freight cars

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    I can't disagree at woth what you have stated about thre Train Miniature line of cars, Tony, but can well remember the anticipation
some of us had waiting for them. Frankly, give what else was available for styrene kits in 1968 I was darned pleased to have them.
I can well remember riding over to Arnie Doucette's East Boston Hobby Shop on Bennington St. from the MIT club with fellow list
member Andy Miller and coming back with a double sheathed Rock Island boxcar, a single sheathed boxcar and a wood sheathed
reefer. Can't recall the road names for the latter two but still have all three and can put my hands on them very quickly. The only
other real choice in those days was MDC with their god awful cast clunker underframe that really turned me off. The variety that the
T-M line added to my rolling stock fleet was something I was very thankful to have and with sprung trucks even. When T-M went to
sprung trucks I was not impressed, called Frank about it and he offered to exchange sprung trucks for the solid molded ones for me.
True to his word he did so and that's all I expect from anyone, Frankly, I thought then that the T-M line of house cars was better than
the Athearn line and still feel that way. I'll wager there are at least 50 of them around here still. YMMV

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: New Walthers freight cars

Brian Carlson
 

Outside of the cars brought over from P2K Walthers hasn’t been relevant for steam era revenue freight cars for the 21 century. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 15, 2019, at 3:50 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

      Possibly the most offensive of these cars is the claimed "USRA" single-sheathed car. The prototype had three diagonal braces on each side of the door, where the Walthers model has two, mirroring the 1924 ARA design, not the USRA. C'mon, Walthers, get a grip. It's not remotely anything like the prototype you claim.
       (Ben kind of said this too, but I think it deserves emphasis.)

Tony Thompson




Re: New Walthers freight cars

Jon Miller
 

On 7/15/2019 8:52 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:
 "Dumpster fire" is about right.

    I thought we used to call these "PULL" cars. 

-- 
Jon Miller
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Re: New Walthers freight cars

Tony Thompson
 

You mean I didn’t?
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 15, 2019, at 4:07 PM, John Sykes III via Groups.Io <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

C'mon Tony, tell us what you really think.

-- John

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