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Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Richard Townsend
 

oops:45793 etc.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Scroll down about half way. Stock numbers 45993, 94, and 95.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

I clicked on the linc you provided, but I did not see confirmation of a car with Deco ends.

Jim


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Randy Hammill <nhrr@...>
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Yes, the cars with Deco Ends have been confirmed for production for some time, as noted on their page:

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/newshocomingsoon.html

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Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Richard Townsend
 

Scroll down about half way. Stock numbers 45993, 94, and 95.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: naptownprr <jhunter@...>
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Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2019 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

I clicked on the linc you provided, but I did not see confirmation of a car with Deco ends.

Jim


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Randy Hammill <nhrr@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 6:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
 
Yes, the cars with Deco Ends have been confirmed for production for some time, as noted on their page:

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/newshocomingsoon.html

Randy
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GM&O 8000 series boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone know if the above cars when repainted in the simpler scheme without the rebel route slogan received Brown ends?I have one black-and-white photo of a repaint and I think the ends were painted brown.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

gary laakso
 

Jim, it is listed and pictured under the header with 1937 in it.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:04 PM, naptownprr <jhunter@...> wrote:

I clicked on the linc you provided, but I did not see confirmation of a car with Deco ends.


Jim



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Randy Hammill <nhrr@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 6:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
 
Yes, the cars with Deco Ends have been confirmed for production for some time, as noted on their page:

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/newshocomingsoon.html

Randy
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Photos: Many Early 1900s Freight Cars

David
 


Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

naptownprr
 

I clicked on the linc you provided, but I did not see confirmation of a car with Deco ends.


Jim



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Randy Hammill <nhrr@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 6:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners
 
Yes, the cars with Deco Ends have been confirmed for production for some time, as noted on their page:

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/newshocomingsoon.html

Randy
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Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954  | https//:blog.newbritainstation.com


Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Randy Hammill
 

Yes, the cars with Deco Ends have been confirmed for production for some time, as noted on their page:

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/newshocomingsoon.html

Randy
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Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Tim O'Connor
 


Except for the underframe (kitbash Duryea can be added) the ATSF cars are mostly correct.

Here's an unusual trait of the Bx-27 (compared to other 1937 AAR box cars). They did not
use "bracket grabs" like the model has. They used plain old straight grab irons, bolted to
the sides.

Tim O'Connor



On 6/26/2019 5:14 PM, bill woelfel via Groups.Io wrote:
According to Dobyne's ATSF book, Atsf bought 2000 Bx-27 in 1937........  as IM has lettered these....   10' 0" IH, wooden Running bds.    6/7/6 Youngstown doors, -4/5SD  ends  Duryea underframes and ASF2T trucks.  These cars look pretty close (but for the underframe)..  Bill W


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1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corner ernds

Andy Carlson
 

Many of the golden era Sunshine early Dreadnaught ends were fashioned from early Dreadnaught ends tooled by Terry Wegmann and sold by Details West as 4/4 E.D.E ends for Athearn 40' steel reefers. One each of square and W-corner.

Terry regretted his earlier decision he made to cut into the mold ladder brackets, especially since one was smack dead into the center rivet junction of the two end sections. This led to the unfortunate mistake on many of the Sunshine kits.

Some where I have an RTV mold he made of the end prior to adding those brackets.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 2:21:16 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote

I agree the S-corner end that Red Caboose did is not perfectly executed. I think
it can be improved (esp the rivets) with Archer rivets but I have not tried that yet.

Sunshine cast both 4/5 and 5/5 S-corner ends (more than 2) for various kits. So a
"cast of a casting" is an option for a better end. I think Dan Kirlin also did some
or at least one S-corner end, which may now be available from Yarmouth.



Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Tim O'Connor
 


I have been asked a few times for information, and I happily helped when I could. But I agree
with Tony, if they're not looking for it, suggestions probably go straight into the circular file. And
I really can't blame them, having heard many of the suggestions. ;-)

Tim O'


It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?


        Most manufacturers have little or no patience with "volunteer" information. They already have "consultants" who may or may not know what they are talking about, but are on the inside already. And as others have said this morning, economics dominates any desire to make anything "almost perfect."
        By the way, another point: Fred, why don't YOU contact IM with these "tips and hints" instead of wishing someone else would? But if you do, don't hold your breath for results.

Tony Thompson 

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Tim O'Connor
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Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Tim O'Connor
 


I agree the S-corner end that Red Caboose did is not perfectly executed. I think
it can be improved (esp the rivets) with Archer rivets but I have not tried that yet.

Sunshine cast both 4/5 and 5/5 S-corner ends (more than 2) for various kits. So a
"cast of a casting" is an option for a better end. I think Dan Kirlin also did some
or at least one S-corner end, which may now be available from Yarmouth.

What I don't like about the Rapido RDC is the opening for the coupler - ugh!! No
excuse for it. On a car where that detail is so visible and obvious, why would you
take a short cut? It looks like a toy train.

Tim O'



On 6/26/2019 1:46 PM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Bruce, I might be an idiot in your perception, but Rapido didn't do it the way you describe AT ALL.
They did some research (not enough), added the WP barrel headlight and the WP raised number boards and were convinced their WP RDC-2 was 100% prototipical, like the others in the RDC herd. So that's why I placed my order.
Adding a grab ladder to the thing was a mistake, made in China (according to them).
They tried to correct it, which couldn't be done without damaging the model (which had been returned to China before due to an other issue).
Bad luck, not intended 'to sell more'.
BTW: I have a couple of those 1937 IM/former RC cars and the 'square' edges of the ends are a bit too square to my taste.
Also the rivet line is almost under the ladder and not on the edge of the end.
Apart from that the '37 car, lettered for 'my road' WP is 9'6" (maybe even 10' in model), while the real WP car (20001-series) is just 9' tall.
Speedwitch is the only one who ever made a 9' model of this car and I have two, so I'll pass on the IM car.
Fred Jansz
Picture: Red Caboose version of the car in question.
Other picture is the IM version of this car wich was issued decades ago and has a fake herald which is also too large. Ends and roof are bc brown, which should be black. Some input from a WP specialist might have led to another result in this case... just saying.

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Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

bill woelfel
 

According to Dobyne's ATSF book, Atsf bought 2000 Bx-27 in 1937........  as IM has lettered these....   10' 0" IH, wooden Running bds.    6/7/6 Youngstown doors, -4/5SD  ends  Duryea underframes and ASF2T trucks.  These cars look pretty close (but for the underframe)..  Bill W


Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

mopacfirst
 

Interesting discussion, and I'd like to hear from a knowledgeable Nickel Plate fan.

Ron Merrick


Re: Anyone access ACF holdings @ Barringer?

Ed Hawkins
 


On Jun 26, 2019, at 10:37 AM, wahsatch <wahsatch@...> wrote:

Went online to see if/who possibly had the ACF freight car dwgs - Barringer/Mercantile library came back. Downloaded the 24meg file containing the ACF lot numbers; but it stops in 1923.
 
I'm looking for the 1926 UP ACF built ballast hoppers w/ Rodgers dump mechanism - UP class BA-50-2 [now HK-50-2], #85000-499, UP spec #64-A. In the 1928 CarBldrCyc, there is a CB&Q 50T ballast hopper which compares favorably with the earlier Uncle Pete. IRM has at least one of the CB&Q in their collection.
 
I model 1935 Uncle Pete in O & the straight side BA-50-2 would be a lot easier to build vs the offset top of the BA-50-1.
 
Anyone used the Barringer/Mercantile ACF collection?
 
Thanks for any help!
-=- Bob Colquitt

Bob,
The UP BA-50-2 ballast cars were built as ACF lot 156. They were 33’-2” length & 1982 cu. ft. capy. Other cars of similar design were:

C&S 15150-15249, lot 214, built 8-26
CB&Q 220000-220199, lot 447, built 7-27
CNW 96101-96499 (odd), lot 787, built ca. 3-29
PM 1000-1099, lot 857, built 5-29
CNW 95801-96099 (odd), lot 1661, built 5-37 (inside length one inch shorter but same cubic capacity)

The ACF drawing collection at the National Museum of Transportation has relatively few drawings prior to 1930. However, there are a few ballast car drawings that may help. 

The only drawing specific to lot 156 (but also other lots) is 5724736, 4/14/26, "Steel Details." Cars like this would typically have several “steel details” drawings, and this drawing would need to be pulled to see what parts are included.

There are 5 drawings for lot 787, 3 of which are applicable for lot 857 and all of which are applicable to lot 1661. In addition, there are a  half-dozen drawings applicable to lot 1661.

For these Hart ballast cars, none of them had a general arrangement drawing. Nearly all were drawings of steel details that include underframe parts, side construction, end construction, etc. 

Contact me OFF-LIST at hawk0621@...

I’ll assemble a list of available drawings & send an email with PDF of the list. The POC at the NMOT is Teresa Militello, who will need to be contacted for making either paper copies or digital scans and the cost. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins






Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Tony Thompson
 

Tom Madden wrote:

Over six years ago the model railroad forum on trainorders.com degenerated into a discussion much like this one. I put up a post giving my views on working with manufacturers. It seemed to be well received. It's attached as a pdf file.

     Thanks for contributing this, Tom. It corresponds entirely to my experience (on the "advice" segment) and what Richard Hendrickson told me about his experiences providing advice to several manufacturers.
      You didn't  mention the response of some manufacturers, who may respond even to constructive advice with something along the lines of "who gives a s---."

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Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Tom and I think this is applicable in most hobbies and professions.
Fenton

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 2:54 PM Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Over six years ago the model railroad forum on trainorders.com degenerated into a discussion much like this one. I put up a post giving my views on working with manufacturers. It seemed to be well received. It's attached as a pdf file.

Tom Madden



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Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Tom Madden
 

Over six years ago the model railroad forum on trainorders.com degenerated into a discussion much like this one. I put up a post giving my views on working with manufacturers. It seemed to be well received. It's attached as a pdf file.

Tom Madden


Re: Gondola Tie Downs - How Strong?

Bill Welch
 

The Tangent parts have been available in the past and I just sent an email to Dave at Tangent asking if they imported any as parts with the new offerings. Attached os a photo of my Georgia 40-foot AAR gon using them. ACL also had duplicates. The L-L P2K 52-foot gondola for SL-SF and Rock Island could use these too.

Bill Welch


Re: Anyone access ACF holdings @ Barringer?

Dave Parker
 

Bob:

As I read it, the index that you downloaded is for surviving ACF photos (not all lot numbers are present), and as you say it stops in 1923.  What you are seeking first is the lot number for the 1926 UP 85000-85499 cars.

The complete list of ACF lots (original document, often hand-written) is available as a CD from Westerfield.  I quickly went through the 1926 (and 1925) entries, but did not see any sign of a lot of 500 cars for the UP.

Maybe someone with more UP-specific knowledge can shed some light on this.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Ken Adams
 

Will be buying the kit undecorated version (38000-1) as I like to diddle around with plastic models and improve them if I can. 

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