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New Goodies coming from Natonal Scale Car

Bill Welch
 

Some interesting freight car parts will be coming in the near future it looks like: http://nationalscalecar.com

Bill Welch


Re: Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12

brianleppert@att.net
 

Steve, you are correct.  The truck on the right is an as-built Dalman 1-Level with Barber Lateral Motion Device.  It is under a Santa Fe Bx-12 single sheathed box car with raised roof.  The truck on the left has been rebuilt and is under a Santa Fe rebuilt box car.  Both cars are at the museum in Niles Canyon, CA.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started?

Ed Hawkins
 


On Jul 11, 2019, at 10:46 AM, bill stanton <bill_stanton60@...> wrote:

Does anyone know when Elgin railroad started painting boxcars green with orange lettering/ around chicago logo?

(RPC text says 1946 but caption says circa 1950, so i'm confused)

Bill,
To help answer your question, I have a number of in-service photos that can be used to bracket the date. 

EJ&E 61205 was built “new 8-48" with a scheme painted freight car red. A photo taken 6-24-51 of EJ&E 60651, built 7-41, had been repainted in the green scheme with orange stencils & system map. While the car shows fresh repack stencils that I decipher as 5-21-51, the reweigh stencils on the repainted car were “J-0-49” that indicates the car was likely repainted at Joliet, Illinois sometime in 1949. The “0-49” doesn’t make sense to me as the “0” should represent a month. 

Perhaps others have photos or other data that can narrow the time period, but these two photos deduce that the change to green sides & orange stencils occurred after 8-48 and before an unknown month in 1949.

Incidentally, can you point to the RPC volume number that says 1946? Thank you. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins





Re: WHIF or FHIF Decals

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Bill. I order a set.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of William Hirt
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:32 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WHIF or FHIF Decals

 

What about Champ set BRH-37? There are two listed on eBay right and come with the correct reporting marks.

Bill Hirt

On 7/11/2019 10:43 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I bought a Sunshine sliding plug door reefer at an estate sale, and the kit had no decals in the box. I’d like to build it as a FHIX or WHIX car with electrical fan if I can locate decals. Does anyone make these decals or does anyone have a set for sale? All I really need is a pair of FHIX or WHIX decals for the sides (black optic) and ends (white Optic) to go with the road numbers, as I have enough decal scraps to do the rest of the car.

 

,_._,_


Re: WHIF or FHIF Decals

William Hirt
 

What about Champ set BRH-37? There are two listed on eBay right and come with the correct reporting marks.

Bill Hirt

On 7/11/2019 10:43 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I bought a Sunshine sliding plug door reefer at an estate sale, and the kit had no decals in the box. I’d like to build it as a FHIX or WHIX car with electrical fan if I can locate decals. Does anyone make these decals or does anyone have a set for sale? All I really need is a pair of FHIX or WHIX decals for the sides (black optic) and ends (white Optic) to go with the road numbers, as I have enough decal scraps to do the rest of the car.

 

,_._,_


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Tim O'Connor
 

I wonder if those folio drawings are the ones I sold to Stephen Priest? There were
about a thousand pages of freight car drawings. It looks like he's put them up online,
which is great!

On 7/11/2019 2:06 AM, Jake Schaible wrote:

Sticking with my initial hunch it's a Ga-70

See drawing at https://sfrhms.org/resources/drawings-from-the-societys-archives-and-publications/

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Standard Steel Car Company Builders Photos

wdzwonchyk
 

I raised this question several years ago and drew a blank. One fellow told me he didn't want to give me retterer's contact info without his permission, and I never heard from him again. I'd love to know the solution to this mystery.



-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2019 11:03 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Standard Steel Car Company Builders Photos


I am sorry to repeat my question, but I will try to phrase it better.
 
Ten to fifteen years ago, I purchased some Standard Steel Car builder's photos from Keith Retterer.  I have a nicely printed catalog from him and have wanted to purchase some additional photos.
 
Since that time, there has been some discussion as to whether these photos are still available and even whether Keith was still alive.  On-line obituary searches come up negative.
 
Has anyone had any recent dealings with Keith or know, definitively, the status of this vey useful collection.
 
Thanks again,
Steve Hile


Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started?

bill stanton
 

Does anyone know when Elgin railroad started painting boxcars green with orange lettering/ around chicago logo?

(RPC text says 1946 but caption says circa 1950, so i'm confused)

thanks
bill


WHIF or FHIF Decals

Nelson Moyer
 

I bought a Sunshine sliding plug door reefer at an estate sale, and the kit had no decals in the box. I’d like to build it as a FHIX or WHIX car with electrical fan if I can locate decals. Does anyone make these decals or does anyone have a set for sale? All I really need is a pair of FHIX or WHIX decals for the sides (black optic) and ends (white Optic) to go with the road numbers, as I have enough decal scraps to do the rest of the car.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Jake Schaible
 

Sticking with my initial hunch it's a Ga-70 

See drawing at https://sfrhms.org/resources/drawings-from-the-societys-archives-and-publications/


Standard Steel Car Company Builders Photos

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I am sorry to repeat my question, but I will try to phrase it better.
 
Ten to fifteen years ago, I purchased some Standard Steel Car builder's photos from Keith Retterer.  I have a nicely printed catalog from him and have wanted to purchase some additional photos.
 
Since that time, there has been some discussion as to whether these photos are still available and even whether Keith was still alive.  On-line obituary searches come up negative.
 
Has anyone had any recent dealings with Keith or know, definitively, the status of this vey useful collection.
 
Thanks again,
Steve Hile


Re: Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12

s shaffer
 

Attached are photos of  Dalman 1-Level trucks.  One is as-built while the other has a replacement spring group.
I cannot tell which is which. I think the second picture with the rusty car above is as built.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico


Re: Ghost images from pre WWl.

Ray Breyer
 

If you zoom in on the photo, they're just chalk scrawlings that have been poorly wiped off.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Wednesday, July 10, 2019, 12:37:17 PM CDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Interesting, appears that a partially repainted effort to convert to a new lesse. Also, cool end doors. Any guesses as to what road's markings were covered over?
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




Re: Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12

mopacfirst
 

Brian:

That's a big help.  Thanks for the additional information.

Ron Merrick


Re: Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12

brianleppert@att.net
 

ATSF 41298 is a Santa Fe Bx-11 box car built with Dalman 2-Level trucks. The photo shows a car much later in life with rebuilt trucks.  The original springs and Barber Lateral Motion Device parts have been removed and replaced with a new spring package.

ATSF 212483 is a Bx-12 class box car.  These cars were built with Dalman 1-Level trucks.  The car in the photo has it's original trucks.

Attached are photos of  Dalman 1-Level trucks.  One is as-built while the other has a replacement spring group.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

please visit www.resincarworks.com/tahoe.htm


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Garth;

Thanks for that fabulous photo!

It has it all: The sideframe caster (ASF), Design (Dalman), ARA truck type/group, owning railroad, and even a journal lid manufacturer...wow!

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 12:44 PM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12

Friends,

Note that the Dalman Andrews truck has two different styles of journal box covers, one clearly marked "National".

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 7/10/19 9:42 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:



This is a Bx-12 truck - it has a wide front opening but doesn't look like any
Dalman I've ever seen. A Dalman BOLSTER face is very distinctive (also attached),
and the outer springs have a tiny shelf to stand on, which I don't see in any of
the pictures.

IOW I don't think there is a truck in HO that exactly matches the ATSF trucks.

Tim O'


Ghost images from pre WWl.

Andy Carlson
 

Interesting, appears that a partially repainted effort to convert to a new lesse. Also, cool end doors. Any guesses as to what road's markings were covered over?
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




Re: Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Note that the Dalman Andrews truck has two different styles of journal box covers, one clearly marked "National".

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/10/19 9:42 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

This is a Bx-12 truck - it has a wide front opening but doesn't look like any
Dalman I've ever seen. A Dalman BOLSTER face is very distinctive (also attached),
and the outer springs have a tiny shelf to stand on, which I don't see in any of
the pictures.

IOW I don't think there is a truck in HO that exactly matches the ATSF trucks.

Tim O'






Re: Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

You are correct Tim that the Santa Fe had an Andrew's truck unlike any Andrews. There was an article in the Santa Fe Warbonnet many years ago on converting the Kadee Andrew's to the Santa Fe prototype.  There were actually two Santa Fe prototypes.  I have been trying for several years to get other modelers excited about this truck.  Possibly some of our more influential members can get a manufactured interest.

The Dalman Andrews is another interesting truck.  
Andy Carlson provided instructions on doing this truck over drinks at Naperville.  This was after selling me a Great Northern boxcar kit that he had cast.  I did make a crude drawing despite the alcohol.

Bill Pardie


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-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 7/10/19 3:42 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12


This is a Bx-12 truck - it has a wide front opening but doesn't look
like any
Dalman I've ever seen. A Dalman BOLSTER face is very distinctive (also
attached),
and the outer springs have a tiny shelf to stand on, which I don't see
in any of
the pictures.

IOW I don't think there is a truck in HO that exactly matches the ATSF
trucks.

Tim O'




On 7/10/2019 7:15 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
> The other Bx-11 cars in the 41200 number series that are shown on
> rr-fallenflags also have that emblem, or at least the evidence of that
> emblem being painted out.  These cars were photographed at locations
> far north of Oklahoma in the mid-late sixties, which suggests that
> they were no longer in captive service (for zinc concentrate from
> Mexico to a zinc refinery (1917-1992) in Blackwell, OK).  They could
> have been in hide service, although nothing is stenciled on the car to
> that effect.  More likely, they were held for service in the grain rush.
>
> The Bx-12 cars shown on rr-fallenflags from the sixties, where the
> trucks are visible, show a similar configuration as if they could have
> been Dalman two-level but the outer springs are missing.
>
> Model-wise, I have my answer, I'll use the two-level Dalman under the
> cars I'm building.
>
> Ron Merrick


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12

Tim O'Connor
 

This is a Bx-12 truck - it has a wide front opening but doesn't look like any
Dalman I've ever seen. A Dalman BOLSTER face is very distinctive (also attached),
and the outer springs have a tiny shelf to stand on, which I don't see in any of
the pictures.

IOW I don't think there is a truck in HO that exactly matches the ATSF trucks.

Tim O'

On 7/10/2019 7:15 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
The other Bx-11 cars in the 41200 number series that are shown on rr-fallenflags also have that emblem, or at least the evidence of that emblem being painted out.  These cars were photographed at locations far north of Oklahoma in the mid-late sixties, which suggests that they were no longer in captive service (for zinc concentrate from Mexico to a zinc refinery (1917-1992) in Blackwell, OK).  They could have been in hide service, although nothing is stenciled on the car to that effect.  More likely, they were held for service in the grain rush.

The Bx-12 cars shown on rr-fallenflags from the sixties, where the trucks are visible, show a similar configuration as if they could have been Dalman two-level but the outer springs are missing.

Model-wise, I have my answer, I'll use the two-level Dalman under the cars I'm building.

Ron Merrick
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

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