On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 11:37 AM, wahsatch

<wahsatch@...> wrote:

Went online to see if/who possibly had the ACF freight car dwgs - Barringer/Mercantile library came back. Downloaded the 24meg file containing the ACF lot numbers; but it stops in 1923.

 

I'm looking for the 1926 UP ACF built ballast hoppers w/ Rodgers dump mechanism - UP class BA-50-2 [now HK-50-2], #85000-499, UP spec #64-A. In the 1928 CarBldrCyc, there is a CB&Q 50T ballast hopper which compares favorably with the earlier Uncle Pete. IRM has at least one of the CB&Q in their collection.

 

I model 1935 Uncle Pete in O & the straight side BA-50-2 would be a lot easier to build vs the offset top of the BA-50-1.

 

Anyone used the Barringer/Mercantile ACF collection?

 

Thanks for any help!

-=- Bob Colquitt

I offered to help Rapido with the Santa Fe RDCs and they asked for more. They were eager to get the details on those right. I would love to have a set but they are not in my budget.  

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 8:02 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

 

I'd appreciate it if there was much more communication between the specialists in the field -like there are many here online- and a manufacturer like Intermountain.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).

Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.

Fred Jansz

On Jun 26, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

All RTR. Ready to rebuild. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 26, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:

Looking over the Intermountain announcement left me wondering.

Can I assume these will be kits? RTR?  Where did I overlook this detail?

Chuck Peck

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 9:48 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Fred,

I’m a little puzzled by your comments…

1) This is another “somebody ought to…” post. Dude, please shelve your expectations that somehow someone has an obligation to you or anyone else in the “modeling world”. I also spend enough time working with companies that I know that every model has compromises. They have to, or they won’t get produced. 

2) The IM boxcar in question is not new tooling but is the old RC tooling. IM isn’t going to “fix” any perceived “errors” in a tool that they bought… so you’re definitely barking up the wrong tree here.

3) Let me explain something about Rapido. It’s a Canadian company, primarily based on the sales of Canadian prototypes. I and many others (on this very list) have an outstanding and ongoing relationship with Rapido and I know that they really do care. BUT, in order to make the company work, they often take specific prototypes and paint them for other railroads, in order to increase their sales enough that they can feed their families. So your WP RDC issue may have nothing at all to do with prototype references or resources and everything to do with economics.

Sincerely,

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

I'd appreciate it if there was much more communication between the specialists in the field -like there are many here online- and a manufacturer like Intermountain.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).

Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.

Fred Jansz

I notice the latest Tangent models Western Maryland and Wabash gondolas have what they term  “wine” tie downs along the top edges of the sides:

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/wm-54786-3.4-600-logo.x40443.jpg

and

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/wab-detail-1-crop.x40443.jpg

Were the tie downs strong enough for most loads? Some of the other versions of the Tangent gondolas lack these tie downs so I wonder if some railroads did not find these useful or strong enough?

Bob Chaparro

Looking over the Intermountain announcement left me wondering.

Can I assume these will be kits? RTR?  Where did I overlook this detail?

Chuck Peck

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 9:48 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Fred,

I’m a little puzzled by your comments…

1) This is another “somebody ought to…” post. Dude, please shelve your expectations that somehow someone has an obligation to you or anyone else in the “modeling world”. I also spend enough time working with companies that I know that every model has compromises. They have to, or they won’t get produced. 

2) The IM boxcar in question is not new tooling but is the old RC tooling. IM isn’t going to “fix” any perceived “errors” in a tool that they bought… so you’re definitely barking up the wrong tree here.

3) Let me explain something about Rapido. It’s a Canadian company, primarily based on the sales of Canadian prototypes. I and many others (on this very list) have an outstanding and ongoing relationship with Rapido and I know that they really do care. BUT, in order to make the company work, they often take specific prototypes and paint them for other railroads, in order to increase their sales enough that they can feed their families. So your WP RDC issue may have nothing at all to do with prototype references or resources and everything to do with economics.

Sincerely,

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

I'd appreciate it if there was much more communication between the specialists in the field -like there are many here online- and a manufacturer like Intermountain.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).

Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.

Fred Jansz

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 8:02 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

I'd appreciate it if there was much more communication between the specialists in the field -like there are many here online- and a manufacturer like Intermountain.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).

Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.

Fred Jansz

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 10:58 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

I'd appreciate it if there was much more communication between the specialists in the field -like there are many here online- and a manufacturer like Intermountain.
It's the details that count. Why not contact IM with tips and hints how to refine a car, so it becomes an almost perfect model?
It costs just as much to create a monster as it does to create a stunning interpretation of the real thing (take Kadee or Tangent for example).

Slightly out of the scope of this group but just to illustrate how things can go terribly wrong:
Rapido has introduced many different versions of their ultimate RDC's the last three years.
For the WP RDC-2 I offered them help and sent them a picture of the real thing.
They didn't need any help.
Result is their otherwise beautifully crafted WP RDC-2 (with barrel headlight and raised numberboards à la WP) now features a full size grab iron ladder, which the real thing never had.
Just to say. More communication between the model RR aces and the manufacturers would be appreciated.

Fred Jansz