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Re: InterMountain or Red Caboose HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Mike Smeltzer
 

Andy,  Intermountain’s announcement indicates this is the first time Intermountain has produced these former Red Caboose boxcars. So looks like these are not new Intermountain tooling but the Red Caboose cars...

Mike Smeltzer 

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On Tuesday, June 25, 2019, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

This all begs the question--Is this square corner box car group using the old IMWX/Red Caboose square corner box car tooling, or did Intermountain tool a new square-corner 4/5  Dreadnaught end for their own '37 AAR car? My hope is that they should utilize the RC tooling, as I feel it is a better '37 AAR car.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 6:27:08 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Bob -

CN 474- series shown had different (flat panel) roofs

C&O series 5250-5399 had 3 panel Creco doors and
  5400-5499 had "Deco" car builder ends

NKP series 15000-15999 should have 8-rung ladders

SLSF series .. what can I say, I think an Intermountain employee
  found these car numbers on a slip of paper removed from a rear orifice
  SLSF did have 1937 AAR box cars with other numbers, and Duryea underframes

SOU series - these appear to be ok! will wonders never cease?

T&P 14000 series - all good, although the photo shows the wrong door

Tim O'Connor



On 6/24/2019 4:13 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

The company is taking reservations. Are these worth having?

https://intermountain-railway.com/modelersclub/?page_id=2677

Bob Chaparro




Re: Poultry Car

 

There was a  that crossed Broadway off No.2 Track on the NYC Main Line between Harlem Road and Union Road in Cheektowaga NY.  It serviced a poultry company that received poultry cars.  It was known as the “Chicken Ranch” even well into the Conrail era.  An attendant rode those cars to keep the stove going.  Must have been fun.  An attendant also rode the cars that carried bananas.  The guy who rode the banana cars to Buffalo from New York City was known as “The Banana Man”, not to be confused with the vaudevillian who used the same name.

 

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Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Bill Welch
 

Only if you want the BEST model of this type ever created. Otherwise you should pass. Assuming of course these are the IMWX/Red Caboose tooling.

Bill Welch


Re: Gondola Tie Downs - How Strong?

Todd Sullivan
 

Bob,

It seems that tie downs were a RR option, and were most useful when steel strapping was used to tie loads down.  The New York Central favored such tie downs on the top chord of their gondolas, as well as the WM and Wabash.  The tie downs would be fairly useless for loads that did not extend higher than the sides, but were quite useful for loads of pipe and steel shapes that did, as well as fabricated loads.  Such top chord tie downs were still being applied to gondolas built in the mid to late 1960s.

Todd Sullivan.


InterMountain or Red Caboose HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Andy Carlson
 

This all begs the question--Is this square corner box car group using the old IMWX/Red Caboose square corner box car tooling, or did Intermountain tool a new square-corner 4/5  Dreadnaught end for their own '37 AAR car? My hope is that they should utilize the RC tooling, as I feel it is a better '37 AAR car.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 6:27:08 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Bob -

CN 474- series shown had different (flat panel) roofs

C&O series 5250-5399 had 3 panel Creco doors and
  5400-5499 had "Deco" car builder ends

NKP series 15000-15999 should have 8-rung ladders

SLSF series .. what can I say, I think an Intermountain employee
  found these car numbers on a slip of paper removed from a rear orifice
  SLSF did have 1937 AAR box cars with other numbers, and Duryea underframes

SOU series - these appear to be ok! will wonders never cease?

T&P 14000 series - all good, although the photo shows the wrong door

Tim O'Connor



On 6/24/2019 4:13 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

The company is taking reservations. Are these worth having?

https://intermountain-railway.com/modelersclub/?page_id=2677

Bob Chaparro



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Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob -

CN 474- series shown had different (flat panel) roofs

C&O series 5250-5399 had 3 panel Creco doors and
  5400-5499 had "Deco" car builder ends

NKP series 15000-15999 should have 8-rung ladders

SLSF series .. what can I say, I think an Intermountain employee
  found these car numbers on a slip of paper removed from a rear orifice
  SLSF did have 1937 AAR box cars with other numbers, and Duryea underframes

SOU series - these appear to be ok! will wonders never cease?

T&P 14000 series - all good, although the photo shows the wrong door

Tim O'Connor



On 6/24/2019 4:13 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

The company is taking reservations. Are these worth having?

https://intermountain-railway.com/modelersclub/?page_id=2677

Bob Chaparro



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: New Tangent Tank Car (Capacity?)

Tony Thompson
 

Schleigh Mike wrote:

Are you confusing the 100000 number as gallons?  It is the car's capacity in pounds.  Often the gallonage was not immediately obvious on a tank car.

    Oh, it's usually obvious, but it's lettered on the end, not the side.

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Re: New Tangent Tank Car (Capacity?)

Schleigh Mike
 

Bob & Group----

Are you confusing the 100000 number as gallons?  It is the car's capacity in pounds.  Often the gallonage was not immediately obvious on a tank car.

Mike Schleigh In Grove City, Penna.

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 7:38:31 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


The Tangent announcement says these are 8K cars. The stenciling on the model reads 10K.
Why the difference?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: New Tangent Tank Car (Capacity?)

Steve SANDIFER
 

Look again. 8000 on the models.


On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 6:38 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
<chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
The Tangent announcement says these are 8K cars. The stenciling on the model reads 10K.
Why the difference?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: New Tangent Tank Car (Capacity?)

Bob Chaparro
 

The Tangent announcement says these are 8K cars. The stenciling on the model reads 10K.
Why the difference?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Gondola Tie Downs - How Strong?

Bob Chaparro
 

I notice the latest Tangent models Western Maryland and Wabash gondolas have what they term  “wine” tie downs along the top edges of the sides:

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/wm-54786-3.4-600-logo.x40443.jpg

and

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/wab-detail-1-crop.x40443.jpg

Were the tie downs strong enough for most loads? Some of the other versions of the Tangent gondolas lack these tie downs so I wonder if some railroads did not find these useful or strong enough?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


New Tangent Tank Car

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I just received an email from Tangent announcing their new GATC 1948 welded 8K tank car: https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-1948-design-8000-gallon-welded-general-service-tank-car/

That's a beautiful model. It comes just two weeks after I kitbashed one from an old Mantua metal tank without its wrapper. Mine is similar, but a 10K car based on one I photographed on the WP in Sacramento around 1975.

Sometimes a good thing can make us unhappy. Grumble, grumble!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Freight Car Photos from the Royal BC Museum

Jack Mullen
 

From the mid-forties thru the end of the steam era Canadian Car and Foundry produced Brill buses  and trolley buses for the domestic market  under license from AC&F.  It's quite likely that this is one such, rather than an import from US.

Jack Mullen


Re: Freight Car Photos from the Royal BC Museum

Dennis Storzek
 

The arrangement of the dimensional data, with the top two lines separated from the lower four and slightly condensed so the column is both left and right justified is a dead giveaway that this car is from one of the CN family of roads.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Freight Car Photos from the Royal BC Museum

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
Freight Car Photos from the Royal BC Museum
These are photos from this museum, located in Victoria, Canada.
++++
End Door Boxcar

Steve Hoxie replied:
"The End Door Boxcar photo shows a PRR class X33a 50' car with a very heavy reinforcement under the double doors." 

Bob Heninger replied:
"I don't agree. The "AUTOMOBILE" lettering visible on the car side isn't in the Pennsy's lettering style. GTW, maybe? The trucks look like National Type B-1s."

I concur with Bob.  The dead giveaway that this is not a PRR Class X33A automobile car is the fact that the roof has external carlines, which no PRR round roof boxcar had.


Ben Hom


Re: Poultry Car

Douglas Harding
 

Ken these cars were all over the country. I have MSTL documents about them being loaded on the M&StL, ie Oskaloosa & Morning Sun. I also have seen references of cars being loaded in Texas, California, Tennessee, Virginia, W Virginia. Though it appears most poultry cars ran in the east. The main markets for live poultry were Jewish population centers of New York, Philadelphia and other large cities on the east coast. One reference says NYC received 250 poultry cars each week in the late 20’s early 30’s. Each car contained 4000 birds. Jewish housewives insisted on live birds. Christians were content with dressed birds. So while loaded almost anywhere poultry was raised, it appears the cars were unloaded in large cities.

 

As a “high priority” commodity, poultry cars were handled on the head end of fast freights.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Vandevoort via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 7:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Car

 

Where were most of these cars used and in what type of trains?  I have a number of Ambroid kits, but I missed this car.  I don't laugh at the Lionel car anymore for having an attendant "sweep" the car out.

Ken Vandevoort


Re: Freight Car Photos from the Royal BC Museum

Robert Heninger
 

Steve,

I don't agree. The "AUTOMOBILE" lettering visible on the car side isn't in the Pennsy's lettering style. GTW, maybe? The trucks look like National Type B-1s.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: Freight Car Photos from the Royal BC Museum

pennsylvania1954
 

The End Door Boxcar photo shows a PRR class X33a 50' car with a very heavy reinforcement under the double doors.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Freight Car Photos from the Royal BC Museum

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: Poultry Car

Douglas Harding
 

Steve from Kristen’s presentation: “1932 also saw the conversion of existing live poultry cars into dual purpose stock and poultry cars that allowed for railroads to make adjustments to the cars to meet their specific livestock needs. The cars were given the reporting marks H.L.S.X.” She included these two photos of HLSX 1 and HLSX 2. You would have to check an ORER to see if there were more.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Car

 

Talk more about the Bachmann car. Some friends gave me one as a joke but then I found the prototype in the Train Shed Cyclopedia No 3 from the 1931 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia. The picture and description is of the Humane Live Stock Car HLSX 1, Triple deck car for sheep, lambs, and small live stock. Provision for Feeding and Watering, Caretaker’s room at end. North American Car Corp. Builder: Standard Steel Car. The photo and description also appears in the Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 17 from the 1943 Car Builder’s Cyclopedia. Did these cars ever operate? Was there a HLSX 2. 

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 4:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Car

 

As Les pointed out, many years ago Ambroid had a wood HO model of a poultry car, the Livesay. They also offered a model of a combo car, the Speedy. This are wood craftsman kits from the 50s, and the detail are such for that era.

Mainline Models offered a poultry car kit, again a wood kit from the same time period. It has even less detail.

Overland Models imported a HO brass Palace Poultry car in 1984(?) that periodically pops on eBay and sells for $350 plus, over $400 if painted. There is one currently asking $600.

Bachmann has a Tri-Level car Humane Livestock car, based on a prototype that was built from an old poultry car.

Lionel also has two poultry cars.

Drawings were in included in articles in MR Oct 47 and July 61.

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Vandevoort via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 11:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Car

 

That would make an interesting model in any scale.

Ken Vandevoort

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