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Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Fairly good interior shot of unidentified drop-end gondola from the Kansas State Historical Society taken in 1950:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/50620

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

John Riddell
 

This was one of 7,500 CP boxcars with inside height of 8-7 and 5-0 doors, built in 1929 and 1930 by CCF, NSC and ECC. Numbered 240000-247499. Sometimes nicknamed ‘minibox’ due to their relatively low height.

A resin kit is offered by F & C and a RTR plastic model was offered  by TrueLine Trains.

 

John Riddell

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Bob,
 
Thanks again.  Actually, I found this document to work fine, although one negative is flipped over.  There are several photos showing that the side edge of the roof panels sits well inside the plane of the car side.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2019 2:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Steve,

Bob's Photo has some photos and there are construction photos at the Pullman Museum site. The link are in the attached word document.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Handbrakes

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,


Since about 2005, a list of the AAR interchange rule dates has been posted in the FILES section of this group 😉 It is even in both WORD and EXCEL formats depending on your preference.


That file, when searched for "geared" or "power" yields the following:


January 1, 1937, "Geared handbrakes required on all newly-built or newly-rebuilt cars."


There is no subsequent ban (AAR interchange) or outlaw (Federal law) date given for geared handbrakes.


As a reminder to some of our list members, geared (or "power") handbrakes does NOT mean exclusively horizontal shaft/vertical wheel handbrakes. Many vertical shaft/horizontal wheel installations had gearing to assist the brakeman in applying the brakes and would therefore have been considered "allowed" under these rules.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 1:48 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Handbrakes
 

I understand that in 1937 power (geared) handbrakes required on all newly-built or newly-rebuilt cars.

Were non-power handbrakes every specifically outlawed or banned?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

william darnaby
 

I built all of the Sunshine M55 kits and I do remember a gap between the edge of the roof and the sides...in other words the roof did not overlap the top edge of the sides.  This was not uncommon with Sunshine kits and the way I dealt with it was to attach a .030 or .040 strip of styrene along the inside top edge of the sides to give the roof something to sit on.  I also remember having to add styrene to the side edges of the floor on occasion.  Such is the resin world....

Bill Darnaby



On Saturday, July 6, 2019, 07:33:15 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I have the M-55H kit. The problem with the kit is not the roof.
The end casting for the car is slightly too wide - less than 1/8"

A razor saw blade kerf and a bit of cleanup and the ends can be fixed.
You can hide fine seams with Future (clear acrylic).

Tim O'Connor

===============================


On 7/5/2019 3:14 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Scott McDonald wrote:

I have a Sunshine M-55 kit I partially built.  The roof doesnt even come close width wise to fit.  Probably a full 1/8 inch to narrow.  I understand I can fill in the gap with styrene but then it doesnt look anything like the car.  So it went up on the shelf of shame and been there ever since.  I will revisit it someday though.  It has the cool sentinel decals.

     Why not split the roof, put the 1/8-inch there, and re-assemble? It would be under the running board and hard to see, if not invisible.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 


I have the M-55H kit. The problem with the kit is not the roof.
The end casting for the car is slightly too wide - less than 1/8"

A razor saw blade kerf and a bit of cleanup and the ends can be fixed.
You can hide fine seams with Future (clear acrylic).

Tim O'Connor

===============================


On 7/5/2019 3:14 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Scott McDonald wrote:

I have a Sunshine M-55 kit I partially built.  The roof doesnt even come close width wise to fit.  Probably a full 1/8 inch to narrow.  I understand I can fill in the gap with styrene but then it doesnt look anything like the car.  So it went up on the shelf of shame and been there ever since.  I will revisit it someday though.  It has the cool sentinel decals.

     Why not split the roof, put the 1/8-inch there, and re-assemble? It would be under the running board and hard to see, if not invisible.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Handbrakes

Bob Chaparro
 

I understand that in 1937 power (geared) handbrakes required on all newly-built or newly-rebuilt cars.

Were non-power handbrakes every specifically outlawed or banned?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:42 AM, Randy Hees wrote:
The exception being the NCO, which purchased used cars from the F&CC which came with full size (size D) couplers.
That reference to ARA Type D couplers adds more confusion, because the Type D, and all other couplers designed around the ARA No.10 knuckle contour were actually bigger than what would be a "full size" coupler in the context of the turn of the century when the narrow gauge cars were built. The Type D was 12" from the pulling face to the back of the striker horn, whereas the couplers that used the MCB contour were typically 9-1/4", yet in their day these MCB couplers were "full size". The ARA No.10 contour was also shaped different than the older MCB contour, but designed to work with it.

That being said, back in that day the foundries did offer couplers that were proportionally smaller versions of that contour, both 3/4 size and 1/2 size, the later used on mine cars and the like. The 3/4 size found some favor with various narrow gauge lines, and were indeed non-compatible with the "full size" version, as evidenced by this East Broad Top car used around the coal prep plant that is set up to couple with cars of either gauge:

EBT adapter car

Dennis Storzek


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

william darnaby
 

Are you sure the roof is too narrow and not the ends to wide?  I have seen both in resin kits.  Compare against a stock AAR boxcar or plans before doing anything drastic.

Bill Darnaby



On Friday, July 5, 2019, 02:15:23 PM CDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Scott McDonald wrote:

I have a Sunshine M-55 kit I partially built.  The roof doesnt even come close width wise to fit.  Probably a full 1/8 inch to narrow.  I understand I can fill in the gap with styrene but then it doesnt look anything like the car.  So it went up on the shelf of shame and been there ever since.  I will revisit it someday though.  It has the cool sentinel decals.

     Why not split the roof, put the 1/8-inch there, and re-assemble? It would be under the running board and hard to see, if not invisible.

Tony Thompson




Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

william darnaby
 

The 49-50 Car Builders has the M55A plans on page 302 that illustrate the unique roof contour as well as the late Duryea UF. 

Bill Darnaby




On Friday, July 5, 2019, 03:05:43 PM CDT, steve_wintner via Groups.Io <steve_wintner@...> wrote:


For the M55c, that looks like a lot like a  Murphy Panel roof to me. Perhaps a plastic roof could be substituted ?

As for the M55a - I think I have seen a drawing for the M55a roof - Dennis Storzek posted it on a group because the Soo had some similar roofs. Maybe this one, maybe the Soo group. 

Steve


looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

David
 

One more source: October 24, 1902 Railway Age, p. 428
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Railway_Age.html?id=n8A6AQAAMAAJ

David Thompson


Re: Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

Douglas Harding
 

And notice the square shaft on the brake wheel. Where is Bill Welch with his reel of square wire now that I see proof that I need some?

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

 

Bob wrote:

 

“Photo: CP Boxcar 242550 An end shot”

 

Note that the gear within the makeshift housing at the bottom of the shaft appears to have broken and was forced off center (to the left).

 

The “B” end of the car seems OK.  There may have been damage to the car, lading or an injury to a carman?

 

Guy Wilber

Reno, Nevada


Re: Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Nick Gully
 

Not all of Colorado was full size couplers.
The Colorado & Southern, Colorado & North Western, used 3/4 size couplers.
The Florence & Cripple Creek and Uintah Ry did as well I think.

My guess would be that the Rio Grande was either too cheap to order NG-only couplers, or was dealing with large coal trains over Marshall Pass and wanted a stronger knuckle.

Best Regards,
 Nick Gully


Thanks: Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Andy Carlson
 

That verifies my understandings. Also quite nice for me and my choice of couplers for my Pacific Coast narrow gauge models. Thanks Randy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, July 5, 2019, 11:42:53 AM PDT, Randy Hees <randyhees@...> wrote:


As you suggested, most (all?) California and Nevada narrow gauge lines used 3/4 size knuckle couplers (if they used knuckles).  The exception being the NCO, which purchased used cars from the F&CC which came with full size (size D) couplers.  For a short period of time the NCO converted one end of the "new" cars to 3/4 size and ran them in pairs.  The Pacific Coast Ry used 3/4 size.

Of course, the Carter Brothers, who closed their factory in Newark CA installed link and pin draw heads on the cars they built (passenger cars were mostly equipped with Miller Couplers).  Knuckles were fitted to the cars later by the various railroads.  The SP owned Carson & Colorado used SAM "safety link & pin" couplers during the Tonopah boom, and the F&CC cars were equipped with SAMs when built.

Randy Hees


Re: Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

Guy Wilber
 

Bob wrote:

“Photo: CP Boxcar 242550 An end shot”

Note that the gear within the makeshift housing at the bottom of the shaft appears to have broken and was forced off center (to the left).

The “B” end of the car seems OK.  There may have been damage to the car, lading or an injury to a carman?

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

steve_wintner
 

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/album?id=43505

The photos are of a Soo car, which did not have the lower end panel, but the drawing does have the lower ends. I think it's a match for the M55a.


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

steve_wintner
 

For the M55c, that looks like a lot like a  Murphy Panel roof to me. Perhaps a plastic roof could be substituted ?

As for the M55a - I think I have seen a drawing for the M55a roof - Dennis Storzek posted it on a group because the Soo had some similar roofs. Maybe this one, maybe the Soo group. 

Steve


Re: Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car

spsalso
 

The next two boxcars have interesting roof hatches.

Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Tony Thompson
 

Scott McDonald wrote:

I have a Sunshine M-55 kit I partially built.  The roof doesnt even come close width wise to fit.  Probably a full 1/8 inch to narrow.  I understand I can fill in the gap with styrene but then it doesnt look anything like the car.  So it went up on the shelf of shame and been there ever since.  I will revisit it someday though.  It has the cool sentinel decals.

     Why not split the roof, put the 1/8-inch there, and re-assemble? It would be under the running board and hard to see, if not invisible.

Tony Thompson




Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Scott
 

Here is a link to Teds blog that had some information and a couple of pictures of an M-55a.

http://prototopics.blogspot.com/2019/01/wordy-wednesday-baltimore-ohio-1937-aar.html?m=1

I have a Sunshine M-55 kit I partially built.  The roof doesnt even come close width wise to fit.  Probably a full 1/8 inch to narrow.  I understand I can fill in the gap with styrene but then it doesnt look anything like the car.  So it went up on the shelf of shame and been there ever since.  I will revisit it someday though.  It has the cool sentinel decals.

Scott McDonald

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