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Re: Rapido USRA Boxcars vs. Accurail SS OB Boxcars

Robert kirkham
 

Ah - I misunderstood your point Dennis.  Agreed.

Rob

On Jun 19, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 01:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
I’m not aware of a series of Canadian Pacific “9 panel” cars with Z bracing (other than the WWII era war emergency cars (adapted from the 1937 design).  As far as I have seen, they were all similar to the USRA cars, with hat profile braces.  They were modestly heavier (2100 lbs), which I believe was attributable to the framing etc of the bottom opening grain doors located on the car floor in line with each side door.
Rob,

Was this directed at my message? You asked about USRA cars with other than 5/5/5 ends, and I directed you to some "clones", clones being USRA design body framing, built after the USRA ceased to exist. Who said anything about zed bars?

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Rapido USRA Boxcars vs. Accurail SS OB Boxcars

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 01:52 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
I’m not aware of a series of Canadian Pacific “9 panel” cars with Z bracing (other than the WWII era war emergency cars (adapted from the 1937 design).  As far as I have seen, they were all similar to the USRA cars, with hat profile braces.  They were modestly heavier (2100 lbs), which I believe was attributable to the framing etc of the bottom opening grain doors located on the car floor in line with each side door.
Rob,

Was this directed at my message? You asked about USRA cars with other than 5/5/5 ends, and I directed you to some "clones", clones being USRA design body framing, built after the USRA ceased to exist. Who said anything about zed bars?

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Photo: Saratoga & Encampment Railway Boxcar 322 (1913)

Tim O'Connor
 


Morgans Louisiana & Texas

On 6/19/2021 12:47 PM, Jerry Michels wrote:
A few photos over is a side view of an SP boxcar.  What was the ML&T?.  Bob, these are wonderful.  I lived for 10 years in Laramie, and usually made the lumberjack and rodeo celebrations in Saratoga and Encampment. 
_._,_._,_


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: OSL/UP Automobile Boxcar 160495 (1928)

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: OSL/UP Automobile Boxcar 160495 (1928)
A photo from the University of Wyoming:

Great photo of the Westerfield kit! First one I ever built. 

Tony Thompson





Re: PFE reefers in context

Tony Thompson
 

Dan Smith wrote:
Interesting that this '50's era black and white paint scheme line up is still mostly wood sided cars.
Yes, the PFE book will show you data that as late as 1960, most cars were still wood-sheathed. I don’t know the date of this photo, but it is very obviously after PFE stopped washing cars.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Rapido USRA Boxcars vs. Accurail SS OB Boxcars

Robert kirkham
 

I’m not aware of a series of Canadian Pacific “9 panel” cars with Z bracing (other than the WWII era war emergency cars (adapted from the 1937 design).  As far as I have seen, they were all similar to the USRA cars, with hat profile braces.  They were modestly heavier (2100 lbs), which I believe was attributable to the framing etc of the bottom opening grain doors located on the car floor in line with each side door.

Based on my studies, the only CPR "9 panel" cars with the 7/8 Murphy ends were cars in the following series:
230000-230999 blt by NSC  
231000-232499 blt by CCF  
232500-232999 blt by ECC  
233000-233499 blt by CCF 

All cars were built 1920-21 and, by 1923, were grouped into the 3500 car series 230000-233499 series, where they remained until re-buildings started in the July, 1935.  The most visible element of the rebuilding was removal of the grain doors, and so it is fairly easy to use a single model to represent original or later cars with minimal effort.  

If the PP slide attached comes through, it shows my understanding of the re-build and renumbering of the cars.      



On Jun 19, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 08:52 AM, Robert kirkham wrote:
The USRA cars had a 3 panel end (not the two panel found on the Accurail 7/8 end), with 5/5/5 corrugation patterns.    (Have not looked up if there were USRA cars with other ends.)
There were some "clones" of the USRA design that had two panel ends with a 7/8 rib arrangement, built in the early twenties. Canadian Pacific had some, as did C&NW, but these later cars were slightly reduced in height compared to the original.

The Accurail "nine panel" single sheathed car with corrugated steel ends specifically models a group of early CN automobile cars that had the same IH as the boxcars, AFTER the were rebuilt with single six foot wide doors.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Loads for stock cars

mel perry
 

ties?
mel perry


On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 9:12 AM Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:
From the University of Wyoming collection,

http://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu/luna/servlet/detail/uwydbuwy~6~6~6168~317847?qvq=q%3Arailroad&mi=2793&trs=3026

Off season loading?:-)

Dan Smith


Re: Photo: OSL/UP Boxcar 13620 (Undated)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
I think I can make out a 1929 reweigh date on this image.
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: OSL/UP Boxcar 13620 (Undated)

Photo: OSL/UP Boxcar 13620 (Undated)

A photo from the University of Wyoming:

http://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu/luna/servlet/detail/ahcludwig~1~1~3433170~304561:Plaster-Mill--Laramie-Cement-and-Pl?qvq=q:Mill&mi=37&trs=109

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Saratoga & Encampment Railway Boxcar 322 (1913)

Bill Keene
 

A very interesting photo. A small slice of a past time. 

There are a good number of photos in this collection. The following is one of my favorites…


Enjoy & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jun 19, 2021, at 8:45 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Saratoga & Encampment Railway Boxcar 322 (1913)
A photo from the University of Wyoming:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Saratoga & Encampment Railway Boxcar 322 (1913)

Jerry Michels
 

A few photos over is a side view of an SP boxcar.  What was the ML&T?.  Bob, these are wonderful.  I lived for 10 years in Laramie, and usually made the lumberjack and rodeo celebrations in Saratoga and Encampment. 


Re: Rapido USRA Boxcars vs. Accurail SS OB Boxcars

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 08:52 AM, Robert kirkham wrote:
The USRA cars had a 3 panel end (not the two panel found on the Accurail 7/8 end), with 5/5/5 corrugation patterns.    (Have not looked up if there were USRA cars with other ends.)
There were some "clones" of the USRA design that had two panel ends with a 7/8 rib arrangement, built in the early twenties. Canadian Pacific had some, as did C&NW, but these later cars were slightly reduced in height compared to the original.

The Accurail "nine panel" single sheathed car with corrugated steel ends specifically models a group of early CN automobile cars that had the same IH as the boxcars, AFTER the were rebuilt with single six foot wide doors.

Dennis Storzek


Loads for stock cars

 


Re: Rapido USRA Boxcars vs. Accurail SS OB Boxcars

Robert kirkham
 

It depends what level of accuracy you are looking for.  The key differences include: 
a)  the cross section of the vertical and diagonal steel bracing. (Accurail models cars with Z bracing - a rolled steel shape; like the CNR car.  USRA cars have hat section pressed steel vertical and diagonal braces, which have a rounded bulge (like the crown of a cap) in the middle and flanges (like the brim) on either side of the bulge.  This is very evident in photos, especially along the lower side sill and near the top plate.  
b) The USRA cars had a 3 panel end (not the two panel found on the Accurail 7/8 end), with 5/5/5 corrugation patterns.    (Have not looked up if there were USRA cars with other ends.)

Rob
 

On Jun 19, 2021, at 6:56 AM, webotkin <webotkin@...> wrote:

Hi,

As someone who owns and have upgraded numerous examples of the Accurail single sheathed, outside braced boxcars, I wondered if the Accurail cars are close representation of the USRA cars.  The most noticeable difference is the cast on ladders on the Accurail cars vs. separate hand grabs on the Rapido model.  The photos in the RPC CYC #17 article of the USRA cars do show separate grabs on the various cars rather than ladders except one photo of PRR #38881 with the Creco doors. 

An article in Railmodel Journal (Feb 93) by Richard Hendrickson basically indicated that the Accurail model  was patterned after the CN cars, though those cars had wood ends and many of the Accurail models were offered with metal ends.  Are the Accurail models with metal ends accurate for the USRA cars other than the cast-on ladders?

Thanks for any guidance.

William Botkin
Centennial, CO


Photo: OWRR&N/UP Boxcar 14742 (1930)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: OWRR&N/UP Boxcar 14742 (1930)

A photo from the University of Wyoming:

http://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu/luna/servlet/detail/ahcludwig~1~1~3435707~306725:Creosoting-plant,-Laramie,-Wyoming?qvq=q:loading&mi=84&trs=88

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Oregon Washington Railroad & Navigation Company.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: OSL/UP Boxcar 13620 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: OSL/UP Boxcar 13620 (Undated)

A photo from the University of Wyoming:

http://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu/luna/servlet/detail/ahcludwig~1~1~3433170~304561:Plaster-Mill--Laramie-Cement-and-Pl?qvq=q:Mill&mi=37&trs=109

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: GRANDT LINE OIL DISTRIBUTOR

gary laakso
 

Same treatment here, Charlie and their reviewer software traced me 3X to see if the model had been delivered. I will give them another week to respond. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of the missing Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:02 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GRANDT LINE OIL DISTRIBUTOR

 

I ordered the oil distributor from San Juan back on April 3rd and after two weeks of it not showing shipped I called they.  They told me one of the molds were out being repaired and check back in two weeks.  I emailed them for an update and no response. I finally asked for a refund - still no response or refund after several days.  I finally opened up a complaint through PayPal and San Juan issued a refund June 15.  So not such a great experience with San Juan. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Photo: Saratoga & Encampment Railway Boxcar 322 (1913)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Saratoga & Encampment Railway Boxcar 322 (1913)

A photo from the University of Wyoming:

http://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu/luna/servlet/detail/uwydbuwy~6~6~2783~302030:Fred--Hopka--and-Hick--Elderkin---E?qvq=q:railroad&mi=2784&trs=3026

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: PFE reefers in context

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PFE Reefers At Omaha (Undated)

A photo from the University of Wyoming:

http://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu/luna/servlet/detail/uwydbuwy~107~107~124~316791:Union-Pacific-slide-boxes-#1--mostl?qvq=q:railroad&mi=1740&trs=3026

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Not a great photo but useful for weathering reference.

First reefer on the right shows evidence of new boards.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: GRANDT LINE OIL DISTRIBUTOR

Charlie Duckworth
 

I ordered the oil distributor from San Juan back on April 3rd and after two weeks of it not showing shipped I called they.  They told me one of the molds were out being repaired and check back in two weeks.  I emailed them for an update and no response. I finally asked for a refund - still no response or refund after several days.  I finally opened up a complaint through PayPal and San Juan issued a refund June 15.  So not such a great experience with San Juan. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Rapido USRA Boxcars vs. Accurail SS OB Boxcars

webotkin
 

Hi,

As someone who owns and have upgraded numerous examples of the Accurail single sheathed, outside braced boxcars, I wondered if the Accurail cars are close representation of the USRA cars.  The most noticeable difference is the cast on ladders on the Accurail cars vs. separate hand grabs on the Rapido model.  The photos in the RPC CYC #17 article of the USRA cars do show separate grabs on the various cars rather than ladders except one photo of PRR #38881 with the Creco doors. 

An article in Railmodel Journal (Feb 93) by Richard Hendrickson basically indicated that the Accurail model  was patterned after the CN cars, though those cars had wood ends and many of the Accurail models were offered with metal ends.  Are the Accurail models with metal ends accurate for the USRA cars other than the cast-on ladders?

Thanks for any guidance.

William Botkin
Centennial, CO

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