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Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

Question on ATSF Bx -48 on the running board.  Ed Hawkins has U.S. Gypsum (expanded metal)  and Pierre in his kit 105.1 states Apex Tri-Lok.  Are both correct?  And, I do not know what the U.S. Gypsum expanded metal looks like. Does the term “expanded metal” give it a different shape than the open diamond pattern formed by stamping and stretching 12-guage steel which I believe is the same as the Plano Model Products #192 US Gypsum -Diamond pattern ( photo attached)?
Lester Breuer


Re: MONON gon spiral end

Bruce Smith
 

Rob,

Generally, you need to contact the designer and ask if they are willing to do that. I have had success doing that sort of thing with a couple of designers.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Dec 17, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Rob M. via Groups.Io <rule292@...> wrote:

Perhaps someone can school me - with Shapeways is it possible to order items upscaled?  I’d surely be interested in a set in quarter inch scale for the IM O scale gon. 


Rob Mondichak 



Re: MONON gon spiral end

Rob M.
 

Perhaps someone can school me - with Shapeways is it possible to order items upscaled?  I’d surely be interested in a set in quarter inch scale for the IM O scale gon. 


Rob Mondichak 


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

It attached this time.
Lester Breuer


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

The CB&T Shops Model has on the other side has the slogan in the attached photo.
Lester Breuer


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Tim O'Connor
 


and the other side


On 12/16/2019 8:13 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Tim O'Connor
 


I think the straight line map is correct for 1946. Ship & Travel came a little later?

Tim O'Connor


On 12/16/2019 6:44 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Hi Lester-

On the Steam Era Freight Car Web Site (different from this io group) Ed Hawkins has data for almost all post war AAR 40' box cars and has data for these cars, but I can say that the Santa Fe was one of three RRs which had 40' 10'6" IH 6' single door 12 riveted panel boxcars. Santa Fe, Denver & Rio Grande and the Great Northern. The Rio Grande had straight lower side sills (think "Cookie cutter"). The Santa Fe Bx-48? box cars had the one year only Youngstown "upside down" 6/6/5 improved Youngstown steel door, built in 1946 which this model has. For a 1946 car, 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends and rectangular Stanray roof are correct. Your car is remarkably close to being correct, though I can not say if the ATSF straight line map would be correct for this particular class.
Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Monday, December 16, 2019, 3:06:42 PM PST, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Tim O'Connor
 


The model's prototype
Bx-48 had 12 panel riveted sides, but the panels closest
to the ends were WIDER than the other panels. So, no one has done a Bx-48 in plastic
in any scale. Shave off the rivets, and replace with Archers.

C&BT Shops produced 28 physically different permutations of the postwar 10'6" AAR
box cars - including 12 panel cars with same-sized panels. Many of the permutations
have no prototype at all. But for 12 panel 10'6" cars I think it's the only source in
HO scale. (Intermountain offers a 10'0" 12 panel body.)

Tim O'Connor


On 12/16/2019 6:06 PM, Lester Breuer wrote:
CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz

Clark Propst
 

I received this link http://nakina.net/cn/cn5.html from Calvin Monaghan off the resin car list. I couldn't find any info pointing to a number series for the Accurail 4400 series cars.  Dennis Storzek remembers door and a half cars being rebuilt. Joe Binish sent me scans of article in Mainline Modeler by Stafford Swain. He talked about those rebuilds, but only mentioned wood door cars. 
I might just pick a small number series of rebuilt cars off the link and let someone with proof tell be I'm wrong  ;  ))
CW Propst  


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

John Barry
 

Bill,

The three foot Herald was standard, but a two foot version was used where a standard one would not fit between the riveted seams of steel cars or the bracing on single sheathed cars.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 3:16:50 AM GMT+1, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


It is interesting that this particular car uses the small herald 

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Pierre Oliver
 

Actually

  • 105.1 Bx-48, 50, 51. Square panel roof, Apex Tri-lock R/B
  • 105.2 Bx-53, 60, 62. Diag panel roof, Apex Tri-lock R/B
  • 105.3 Bx-63. Diag panel roof, USG R/B
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 12/16/19 10:52 p.m., WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

Ooops!  Pierre's kit was a Bx44.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 12/16/19 4:49 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car.  I don't know if he still has them in stock


Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Pierre Oliver
 

As a matter of fact I do have few still 

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:50 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car.  I don't know if he still has them in stock


Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Ooops!  Pierre's kit was a Bx44.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 12/16/19 4:49 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car.  I don't know if he still has them in stock


Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Seatrain Ships

Doug Pillow
 

Back in1971 I was an Able Seaman Cardeckman on the Seatrain Texas. We were running New York(Edgewater NJ) TO San Juan Puerto Rico. Each cardeckman had a deck of railroad cars and one track on the main deck. Each watch you had to check the chocks on each car and the turnbuckles on the tiedownson on each car.They were tightened as needed. The cars were winched to the main elevator for hoisting to main deck where they were craned off. A very interesting ship,she was old but stout built pre World War Two.

Doug


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car.  I don't know if he still has them in stock


Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


One person needed for Alma branch op session

Jared Harper
 

I need one person to fill out a train crew on January 25th or 26th.  Contact me if you are interested.  Lunch will be provided.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

It is interesting that this particular car uses the small herald 

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Bob Chaparro
 

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

mopacfirst
 

The Bx-44 had five panels per side, making it not right for the CB&T model.  The Branchline car is much closer.

Interestingly enough, although this class came with those intermediate Youngstown doors with the wide panels (and I went out of my way to equip my Branchline cars with those Southwest Scale doors), most or all of this class had the doors replaced in later years with a newer Youngstown door much closer to the door in the Branchline kit.

Ron Merrick


Re: MONON gon spiral end

Mont Switzer
 

Yes on the Monon decals.  Contact me off line at mswitzer@....

Mont Switzer 



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bill Keene via Groups.Io" <bill41@...>
Date: 12/16/19 12:52 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MONON gon spiral end

Are decals available to model this car?

Thanks & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Dec 16, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:


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