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Re: First Shipment Of California Vegetables To Boston?

Richard Bale <Rhbale@...>
 

Don...
John Signor prepared a map showing the location of Santa Fe icing stations between the west coast and Chicago. The map appears on page 166 of John White's The Great Yellow Fleet. 
Richard Bale

In a message dated 2/7/2019 3:50:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, tony@... writes:

Don Valentine  wrote:

Thank you Tony & Mark. Given what you have both provided where were the earliest re-icing stations located and how close in proximity to one another were they given the average distance traveled by most trains, either passenger or freight, in those days?
    Sorry, that's not something I have researched for that early period. By the 1890s, Armour had created a network of icing stations, but before that, I don't know.

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Re: First Shipment Of California Vegetables To Boston?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 08:47 PM, Fred Swanson wrote:
Perhaps coming into Boston since New York is a couple mile short of cross country:)  D'Arrigo still has a large presence in the Salinas Valley. I looked up one of their companies (Andyboy) for their history and found a Wikipedia.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Arrigo_Brothers  It says nothing about being the first vegetable shipment. 
But it does say they were the first the first to ship fresh fruits and vegetables from California to the east coast YEAR ROUND, which may say more about their ability to manage their farming operation than anything it says about railroad technology. I can see how a unsophisticated writer could pick up on the "first."

Dennis Storzek


Construction project documentation

Eric Hansmann
 

There are a couple more photos documenting the Millvale Avenue bridge project on the Historic Pittsburgh site. For each of these links, after the page opens click on the image. Once the image page opens, look for four small buttons in the upper left corner of the image and click on the far right button to make it full screen. Now you can zoom in on the details.

Here's an August 1926 image looking at the other side of the valley. This image inspired the paint and weathering of my Pennsy X26. This was a Pennsylvania Lines boxcar but Lines has been painted out. I model late 1926 and have found few 1920s images of these Pennsy USRA boxcars. The GR gondola is an added bonus. 

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.261933.CP


We jump ahead to October 1927 for this view and the bridge is gone. We can see part of the Gulf Oil distribution facility to the left and a string of freight cars on the B&O tracks.

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.275224.CP


We jump once more to January 1928 and steel for the new bridge is going up. Modeling a construction project can generate an interesting mix of freight cars to the scene. We don't see any here, but there are other sites and photos that illustrate this.

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.285834.CP


Enjoy your coffee.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On February 8, 2019 at 5:39 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Thanks, Jack! That narrow valley was crammed with industry back then!

Elden Gatwood

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Behind the bridge is ??? metals Corporation?

Elden, it looks like Federated Metals Corporation, which did have a plant in the Bloomfield neighborhood, east of the bridge, now a vacant lot.

Jack Mullen


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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] can you ID these cars?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Jack! That narrow valley was crammed with industry back then!

Elden Gatwood

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On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 08:35 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:


Behind the bridge is ??? metals Corporation?

Elden, it looks like Federated Metals Corporation, which did have a plant in the Bloomfield neighborhood, east of the bridge, now a vacant lot.

Jack Mullen


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] FW: strange freight car photo

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, guys! Good explanation.

That box car is fascinating.

Elden Gatwood

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The figures in white would be girls, two of which are doing the time-honored walk-on-the-railtops.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Boxcar upgrades

Eric Hansmann
 

Dave Parker shares detail techniques to upgrade Accurail shorties in the latest DesignBuildOp blog post. A little effort creates a few distinctive boxcars.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/02/08/upgrading-accurail-shorties/


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: First Shipment Of California Vegetables To Boston?

Jack Mullen
 

"...nuts, fruits and vegetables were being shipped via rail (ATSF) from Stockton, California by 1878."
Maybe I'm misunderstanding or misremembering, but I believe the Santa Fe didn't even reach Southern California until the early 1880s, let alone getting farther north.

I don't know how important a role Edwin Tobias Earl may have played in refrigerator car development, but the broad statement "In 1890, he invented the refrigerator car ..." is bogus, although it comes verbatim from Wikipedia.  :^o
The obit* which wiki footnotes as the source actually makes a narrower claim that he "invented a combination ventilator-refrigerator car",  having found ventilated boxcars unsatisfactory.
* https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SN19190111.2.70&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1

Does anyone have more knowledge of Earl's role?
Jack Mullen


Re: can you ID these cars?

Jack Mullen
 

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 08:35 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Behind the bridge is ??? metals Corporation?
Elden, it looks like Federated Metals Corporation, which did have a plant in the Bloomfield neighborhood, east of the bridge, now a vacant lot.

Jack Mullen


Re: First Shipment Of California Vegetables To Boston?

Fred Swanson
 

Perhaps coming into Boston since New York is a couple mile short of cross country:)  D'Arrigo still has a large presence in the Salinas Valley. I looked up one of their companies (Andyboy) for their history and found a Wikipedia.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Arrigo_Brothers  It says nothing about being the first vegetable shipment.  It does say They brought seeds from Italy and in eat year mentioned shipped broccoli.  I found interesting they helped with innovating refrigeration for cross-country vegetable travel.
Fred Swanson


Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Charlie and List Members,
 
Yes, correct ID on that.
 
I'm quite happy with it, good runner after I did some work on it.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Claus-

Wow!!  A rare Bachmann C16a !!!

Not too many of these made it to North America!  

Almost as rare as the Rivarossi C16!!!

Charlie Vlk

 

Hi George, Garth, and List Members,

 

George is completely correct, the MDC 36ft cars generally work very well for my chosen 1929 era.

 

George is also correct in that the 'ancient Arnold/Rapido Iron Mountain stock car' make a very nice model, my rendition can be seen in the image linked below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

 

 

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If I recall correctly, fellow N Scaler Claus' Approximate Time Period more closely aligns with the October 1919 ORER, which shows 290 cars in the Clinchfield (CC&O) series 2400 to 2699. 

I have the Stock Car Cyclopedia Claus mentioned-- I believe that I found it at an Ollie's (!) as part of their remainder book pile.  It has a large number of photos and some familiar names among the authors-- John Nehrich and Martin Lofton, for example.   I can't speak for the MDC model, but there are prototype photos for two other N Scale offerings-- the ancient Arnold/Rapido Iron Mountain stock car and the Micro-Trains 35000/035 series Despatch Stock Car, which is a New York Central rebuild as previously noted here and elsewhere.

George Irwin
"I still don't know what I don't know about freight cars"


Re: First Shipment Of California Vegetables To Boston?

Tony Thompson
 

Don Valentine  wrote:

Thank you Tony & Mark. Given what you have both provided where were the earliest re-icing stations located and how close in proximity to one another were they given the average distance traveled by most trains, either passenger or freight, in those days?

    Sorry, that's not something I have researched for that early period. By the 1890s, Armour had created a network of icing stations, but before that, I don't know. 

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Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars

Charlie Vlk
 

Claus-

Wow!!  A rare Bachmann C16a !!!

Not too many of these made it to North America!  

Almost as rare as the Rivarossi C16!!!

Charlie Vlk

 

Hi George, Garth, and List Members,

 

George is completely correct, the MDC 36ft cars generally work very well for my chosen 1929 era.

 

George is also correct in that the 'ancient Arnold/Rapido Iron Mountain stock car' make a very nice model, my rendition can be seen in the image linked below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G.J. Irwin

Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 11:24 AM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Tuesday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars

 

If I recall correctly, fellow N Scaler Claus' Approximate Time Period more closely aligns with the October 1919 ORER, which shows 290 cars in the Clinchfield (CC&O) series 2400 to 2699. 

I have the Stock Car Cyclopedia Claus mentioned-- I believe that I found it at an Ollie's (!) as part of their remainder book pile.  It has a large number of photos and some familiar names among the authors-- John Nehrich and Martin Lofton, for example.   I can't speak for the MDC model, but there are prototype photos for two other N Scale offerings-- the ancient Arnold/Rapido Iron Mountain stock car and the Micro-Trains 35000/035 series Despatch Stock Car, which is a New York Central rebuild as previously noted here and elsewhere.

George Irwin
"I still don't know what I don't know about freight cars"


Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi George, Garth, and List Members,
 
George is completely correct, the MDC 36ft cars generally work very well for my chosen 1929 era.
 
George is also correct in that the 'ancient Arnold/Rapido Iron Mountain stock car' make a very nice model, my rendition can be seen in the image linked below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: G.J. Irwin
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Tuesday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars

If I recall correctly, fellow N Scaler Claus' Approximate Time Period more closely aligns with the October 1919 ORER, which shows 290 cars in the Clinchfield (CC&O) series 2400 to 2699. 

I have the Stock Car Cyclopedia Claus mentioned-- I believe that I found it at an Ollie's (!) as part of their remainder book pile.  It has a large number of photos and some familiar names among the authors-- John Nehrich and Martin Lofton, for example.   I can't speak for the MDC model, but there are prototype photos for two other N Scale offerings-- the ancient Arnold/Rapido Iron Mountain stock car and the Micro-Trains 35000/035 series Despatch Stock Car, which is a New York Central rebuild as previously noted here and elsewhere.

George Irwin
"I still don't know what I don't know about freight cars"


Re: FW: strange freight car photo

spsalso
 

The figures in white would be girls, two of which are doing the time-honored walk-on-the-railtops.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: FW: strange freight car photo

Eric Hansmann
 

The image is dated as 1905 on the description page.
https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.05401.CP

The end of this car reminds me of a fast freight line car from the 1880s.
The NYC painted cars a straw shade for one of their fast freight lines.

The image description also notes a relocated line for a 50-inch pipe but I
can't determine where this would be. I wonder if the far right railroad
tracks (the one with only one rail) is being removed to make way for this
relocated pipe line.

Tis a good mystery.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

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Group;

What is the provenance of this freight car? And why does it not have any
reporting marks?

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.05401.CP/from_sea
rch/ca8e58282d44cbd9569f726020dc8d50-177

And what on earth is going on down the track there; figures in white doing
what?

Photos of reality sometimes challenge belief....

Elden Gatwood


Re: FW: strange freight car photo

Todd Sullivan
 

Elden,

It is a bit mystifying, but I'll hazard some guesses.  It looks like some track work is in progress: note the siding on the right with the rail removed and the rail lying between the tracks.  The boxcar without initials could be an MoW or track supplies car.  It looks like the owner initials were painted out.   The photo must be pretty old, since there are no tie plates on the ties and the boxcar has brake beams on the ends of the trucks. 

The figures in white look to be 3-4 women and/or girls.  There are two men off to their left - relatives, chaperones?  It could be a Sunday afternoon and they are just out adventuring.  When I was a young kid, I loved to drag my babysitter down to one of the rail yards in Providence.  I'd climb on the cars, walk around on the tracks, see what freight cars were there, etc. No trains moving, so no danger, although it made my sitter nervous.

Todd Sullivan.


FW: strange freight car photo

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

What is the provenance of this freight car? And why does it not have any reporting marks?

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.05401.CP/from_search/ca8e58282d44cbd9569f726020dc8d50-177

And what on earth is going on down the track there; figures in white doing what?

Photos of reality sometimes challenge belief....

Elden Gatwood


Re: First Shipment Of California Vegetables To Boston?

Donald B. Valentine
 

Thank you Tony & Mark. Given what you have both provided where were the earliest re-icing stations located and how close in proximity to one another were they given the average distance traveled by most trains, either passenger or freight, in those days?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] What cars can you ID in this one?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Eric!

Elden Gatwood

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Eldon,

I believe the ACL boxcar is an O-16 class, These look remarkably like the Accurail single-sheathed boxcar models but they have a flat roof (like the X29, and sit slightly lower than the Accurail models.

There's a Michigan Central XA to the right of the Pennsy X26 and a Big Four hopper in the background with the crane.

The P&LE had a large team yard off image to the right at this time.




Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN







On February 7, 2019 at 9:51 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@... <mailto:elden.j.gatwood@...> > wrote:


Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.5798.RR/from_search/ca8e58282d44cbd9569f726020dc8d50-149

There's a PRR X26 and GRA in front....what is that ACL car? Can you ID any others?

Site: Pittsburgh's Southside downstream of the Liberty Bridge and PRR's Panhandle bridge with Monon tower in the wye...

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] can you ID these cars?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Eric;

Thanks for those observations! When I was a kid, this facility was making something like lamp black or maybe pigment. It was completely black. By the time I was a teenager, it was abandoned, so of course we crawled all over it. We got there by catching a B&O freight in Panther Hollow, riding it through the tunnel to where it crossed PRR, and then walking down the PRR to here. This brings up a lot of memories!

Thanks again for the reply!

Elden Gatwood

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Eldon,

At the time of this image, this was a Gulf Oil distribution facility. It was Pure Oil just a few years previous to the image. the truck above the NYC boxcar is labeled with a familiar slogan, That Good Gulf Gasoline.

In the background is the Millvale Avenue.bridge. It would soon be torn down and replaced with the Bloomfield Bridge.

B&O and PRR lines are in this image.

These images aren't downloadable but I pull them up and large monitors to capture a screenshot to save.




Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN










On February 7, 2019 at 9:34 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@... <mailto:elden.j.gatwood@...> > wrote:


I love this photo:

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.261175.CP

This factory was abandoned but still standing in my youth, and we used to go explore it and come back home black with filth. What was it? Check out the xxx Garage truck above the NYC auto box! Whose tank car is this? Is that DV tower? Behind the bridge is ??? metals Corporation?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood