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Re: Flat Black

Rod Miller
 

On 2/1/19 5:00 PM, Denny Anspach wrote:
I appreciate the many suggestions for water-based acrylics, but…... I use only solveny- based paints.
Tim expresses skepticism about TruColor flat black being only “brushable”, as well he might. My information came directly by phone from one of TruColor’s owners in Phoenix, and I am sure it has something to do with why my tries with this thinned paint with an airbrush have not been satisfactory.’'
I am not adverse to using rattle cans from the hardware store, except that for the fine small work that we commonly do, the lack of control and the very wide pattern promises to cause a lot of mischief, not mention waste and paint scatter. I have often though of emptying one of these cans into a receptacle and then using it again through an air brush. Has anyone tried this? It would be relatively cheap, I would think.
Off list, I have received a strong vote for Tamiya flat black,, and I am going to try it. So far, Tamiya (solvent) is the most consistent rising star in my model painting world, and incrementally I use them more and more.
Denny
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864
I am particularly fond of SEM Trim Black designed for use
of external automotive trim. It is solvent-based and is
available in rattle cans and quarts. It dries to a satin
finish. I use it for steam locomotives among other things.
The rattle cans are great for painting small items without
setting up and cleaning the air brush.

It can be handled soon after application but the instructions
say to allow 2 days for complete curing, I presume to achieve
the hardness level needed for the exterior of a vehicle.

The rattle can puts out lots of paint so use short bursts
while moving it fast.

Like lacquer, it can be sanded. Many a boiler has been sanded
then over sprayed with clear which concealed the fine scratches.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives,
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More
http://www.rodmiller.com


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

mopacfirst
 

My former LHS owner had a few of the N scale PFE reefer kits when they were available.  He said somebody brought in one that had been put together, and the guy was complaining that the brakewheel didn't fit.  He'd cut the brakewheel plus its surrounding sprue off as one piece, and tried to glue it on the car.

Of course, an HO guy could have just as easily done the same thing.....

Ron Merrick


Re: MORE ON NORTHERN PACIFIC STOCK CARS

mopacfirst
 

Richard, I'm looking at the kit now.  It builds a double deck S-40-6, which is a 36' car with wood roof so I suspect a lot of the parts are IM/RC, from the SP S-40-5 kit.  The roof and ends are, based on visual comparison to an SP S-40-5 that's on the layout, .  The instructions say 'from several different model manufacturers'.  The trucks are the Accurail "Bettendorf" with widely spaced springs, but a number of manufacturers use those.  The ends and letterboards are painted and lettered.  The sides and floors are unpainted, and definitely not from the IM kit.  The sides are not from the IM Santa Fe stock car models, and not from the Proto Mather model, both of which are 40' cars, again based on comparison with cars on my layout.  That's about all I can tell.

Ron Merrick


Re: MORE ON NORTHERN PACIFIC STOCK CARS

Richard Townsend
 

Regarding the UP stock cars, what were the available parts?_._,

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 2, 2019 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MORE ON NORTHERN PACIFIC STOCK CARS

I have a couple of those UP stock car kits.  They basically put together available parts with a couple of new components.  They're coming up fairly soon on my build list, right after I put real couplers on the Trix UP stock car.  I finished the mod for the Trix UP hopper cars, and they're in service now.

Ron Merrick


Re: SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

Bruce Smith
 

​And I note the two PRR composite gondolas just behind the B&F flat.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of John Barry <northbaylines@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 11:52 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat
 
Can anyone give me further information about these two cars?  SLSF 152203 was a 40' double sheathed end door auto loader in series SLSF 152000-152228.  It was photographed unloading a DUKW onto a Boston & Albany flat at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation during WWII.  I wrote about the book, Gateway to Victory, back in 2015 https://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2015/12/san-francisco-port-of-embarkation-sfpoe.html  
I've looked through the Sunshine all time list and associated flyers and came up with earlier and later cars, but not the 152000 series.  

The B&A flat has to be one of the 186 cars remaining in the 16000-16399 series.  The build date and capacity eliminate the other B&A flats listed in the Jan 45 ORER.  The Canada Southern Railway website lists the cars as members of Lot 300-F built in 1912.  The 4-13 build date in the photo is consistent with an extended delivery from a late 1912 order.  

I would like to model both of these cars.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: MORE ON NORTHERN PACIFIC STOCK CARS

mopacfirst
 

I have a couple of those UP stock car kits.  They basically put together available parts with a couple of new components.  They're coming up fairly soon on my build list, right after I put real couplers on the Trix UP stock car.  I finished the mod for the Trix UP hopper cars, and they're in service now.

Ron Merrick


Re: SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

gary laakso
 

Check out the brake wheel position on the B&A flat car!

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:52 AM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

 

Can anyone give me further information about these two cars?  SLSF 152203 was a 40' double sheathed end door auto loader in series SLSF 152000-152228.  It was photographed unloading a DUKW onto a Boston & Albany flat at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation during WWII.  I wrote about the book, Gateway to Victory, back in 2015 https://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2015/12/san-francisco-port-of-embarkation-sfpoe.html  

I've looked through the Sunshine all time list and associated flyers and came up with earlier and later cars, but not the 152000 series.  

 

The B&A flat has to be one of the 186 cars remaining in the 16000-16399 series.  The build date and capacity eliminate the other B&A flats listed in the Jan 45 ORER.  The Canada Southern Railway website lists the cars as members of Lot 300-F built in 1912.  The 4-13 build date in the photo is consistent with an extended delivery from a late 1912 order.  

 

I would like to model both of these cars.

 

John Barry

 

ATSF North Bay Lines 

Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

Lovettsville, VA

 

707-490-9696 

 

PO Box 44736 

Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Flat Black

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

Andy's note below reminded me of one of our model railroading god-fathers, Mr William Clouser, once of the Saint Louis neighborhood.  Respected scratch builder and professional model builder, he authored in the March 1959 Model Railroader an article on painting models using an air brush.  His favorite primer?  Auto finish lacquer from an appropriate store.  I believe he worked with a gallon size decanting into smaller containers for convenience.  Most of us would not need so much.  His article has been a lifetime reference for me.

Mike Schleigh of Grove City, Penna., Land of Vortex

On Friday, February 1, 2019, 8:27:29 PM EST, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Years ago a very prolific and excellent professional painter told me he used an auto body product for priming his steam locomotives (and I see no reason that resin kits couldn't benefit as well).

It was called a non-sanding primer, meant to be used before color was applied in the re-finish work done at collision repair shops.

This stuff was NOT a surfacer, which is the commonly used primer which builds thickness which allows pre-color block sanding. The non-sanding goes on smooth and if shot over a smooth surface, this last primer is ready for color paint after it dries. This is the trait which allows good model priming, and as a lacquer type of finish, it is quick drying, another useful modeling trait. Auto lacquer primers seem to be universally OK with many different types of paints, water based and solvent based.

I have not yet acquired any of this yet, so I have no experience so far.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, February 1, 2019, 5:01:05 PM PST, Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...> wrote:


I appreciate the many suggestions for water-based acrylics, but…... I use only solveny- based paints.

Tim expresses skepticism about TruColor flat black being only “brushable”, as well he might.  My information came directly by phone from one of TruColor’s owners in Phoenix, and I am sure it has something to do with why my tries with this thinned paint with an airbrush have not been satisfactory.’'

I am not adverse to using rattle cans from the hardware store, except that for the fine small work that we commonly do, the lack of control and the very wide pattern promises to cause a lot of mischief, not mention waste and paint scatter.  I have often though of emptying one of these cans into a receptacle and then using it again through an air brush. Has anyone tried this?  It would be relatively cheap, I would think.

Off list, I have received a strong vote for Tamiya flat black,, and I am going to try it. So far, Tamiya (solvent) is the most consistent rising star in my model painting world, and incrementally I use them more and more.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864




Re: SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi John,
  
      I, too, am interested in the Boston & Albany flat car and will look to see if more can e found on it while I'm 
up here in New England as I doubt much more would be found when in Sleesburg than you will find there in 
Lovettsville. While I have no idea why the lettering is so far to the right end of the flat car I wonder of the stake
pocket between the "T' and "O" of "Boston" is in the middle of the car which would ell us that the car had eleven
stake pockets per side and also make it fairly easy ti make a drawing of the car side at least as far as the rivet
layout is concerned. Any thoughts on this?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Brian Termunde
 

Al;
As much as I would have like to see you get into N Scale, especially at that time, I think you were very wise NOT do so. With a few notable exceptions, it seems to me that N Scalers prefer RTR cars rather than kits. Does Intermountain even  do (Steam era of course!) kits anymore?  And that is part of the reason that I didn't say that I wish you had produced N scale kits, secondly, and no criticism intended here, but your focus always seemed to be HO. Likewise, just as an example, while I wouldn't mind seeing Accurail release some of their products in 'N'ormal scale, but it's highly unlikely. That's just not their focus either, and again, that's fine, I accept that as just how things are.
 
I do somewhat regret that I did not buy any of your kits, but I knew that I would be very unlikely to built them, just because I don't have the time, tools and currently, the patience your (or the other excellent resin kits) products require. I do have to say that I did always look at your ads though, if for no other reason, to see what I was missing out on!

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Charlie Vlk
 

Al-

I remember visiting you and the John Galt lines when you were just getting started in the resin kit business. 

Full time employment in the Model Railroad Industry was still in the future for both of us at the time!!!

Charlie Vlk

 

 


Re: SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

Richard Townsend
 

Can't answer your questions, but I like how the flat's brake wheel and staff have been pulled and stuck in a stake pocket.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: John Barry <northbaylines@...>
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 2, 2019 9:52 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

Can anyone give me further information about these two cars?  SLSF 152203 was a 40' double sheathed end door auto loader in series SLSF 152000-152228.  It was photographed unloading a DUKW onto a Boston & Albany flat at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation during WWII.  I wrote about the book, Gateway to Victory, back in 2015 https://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2015/12/san-francisco-port-of-embarkation-sfpoe.html  
I've looked through the Sunshine all time list and associated flyers and came up with earlier and later cars, but not the 152000 series.  

The B&A flat has to be one of the 186 cars remaining in the 16000-16399 series.  The build date and capacity eliminate the other B&A flats listed in the Jan 45 ORER.  The Canada Southern Railway website lists the cars as members of Lot 300-F built in 1912.  The 4-13 build date in the photo is consistent with an extended delivery from a late 1912 order.  

I would like to model both of these cars.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


MORE ON NORTHERN PACIFIC STOCK CARS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


In addition to the ends and decals for the Central Valley N P stock car the NP Society also marketed a kit for an earlier version of this car with truss rods.  The kit was excellently tooled by Armond Germandson
(please excuse spelling) and makes a great companion car.

Another stock car kit that went under the radar was a Union Pacific car done by the Union Pacific Society.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

 

Brian – At every convention, several modelers would ask me, why don’t you do N, S O, etc.  I would say, I build the scale I know.  We did do some custom work in N and O, but using masters supplied by the owners.  Our vacuum chamber was designed to hold 80’ O scale passenger car sides.

  • Al Westerfield

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Termunde via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 10:35 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

 

I'm an N Scaler, and I've been aware of you for all of those 29 years!

 

Take Care,

 

Brian R. Termunde

Midvale, Utah

 

A Westerfield Wrote;

 

The first of 29 years of monthly ads.  Believe it or not, I still ran into people at train shows that had never heard of us. –

 

Al Westerfield

 


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Andrew, Al, et al.,
 
Impressive numbers.  I’m going to be in catch up mode for a long time.  I especially appreciate the earlier variations of  the cars you’ve done over the years.
 
Thanks you both.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: dahminator68 via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 11:55 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield
 
Hello Al & All.  In 2014 I went thru the Westerfield price list and counted all the variations of Kits that could be made.  I came up with 964 Kit separate variations.
Since them I have discontinued some and added some Kits so I would guess the number of variations to be between 950 and 1000 still available.
 
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 1, 2019, 2:23 PM, al_westerfield <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

No, I never did.  I was too busy making them.  Likewise, I have no idea of how many kits I assembled for instructions and ads.  Someday, someone else will count them.  However, they will be wrong, because virtually every car has different lettering on the second side.  Some kits had their lettering removed for new lettering when I had no time to build new roadname cars.  And finally, one hopper car has two physically different sides.  It’s not even square.  Nor did I ever count how many different kits I offered, but I think it was well over 450.  I often said I would have to build a point-to-loop layout so I could send a train out and a different one would come back.

 

I only have 6 cars left, the first four offered and the 10th and 25th anniversary cars.  The rest went to Andrew Dahm when he bought the business.  I also have the first kit from the first production run of each of these 6. - Al Westerfield

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 7:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

 


Al, did you ever tally the total production of kits you sold over the years?

Tim O'


On 1/31/2019 7:10 PM, al_westerfield wrote:

The first of 29 years of monthly ads.  Believe it or not, I still ran into people at train shows that had never heard of us. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 3:00 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

 

Railroad Model Craftsman, October 1982 issue, ad for the first four offerings from Westerfield.

 

 

Ben Hom

 

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·         01B0FBDFF2FC403FABFD0B53365B6F1C.png

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 


SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

John Barry
 

Can anyone give me further information about these two cars?  SLSF 152203 was a 40' double sheathed end door auto loader in series SLSF 152000-152228.  It was photographed unloading a DUKW onto a Boston & Albany flat at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation during WWII.  I wrote about the book, Gateway to Victory, back in 2015 https://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2015/12/san-francisco-port-of-embarkation-sfpoe.html  
I've looked through the Sunshine all time list and associated flyers and came up with earlier and later cars, but not the 152000 series.  

The B&A flat has to be one of the 186 cars remaining in the 16000-16399 series.  The build date and capacity eliminate the other B&A flats listed in the Jan 45 ORER.  The Canada Southern Railway website lists the cars as members of Lot 300-F built in 1912.  The 4-13 build date in the photo is consistent with an extended delivery from a late 1912 order.  

I would like to model both of these cars.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Brian Termunde
 

I'm an N Scaler, and I've been aware of you for all of those 29 years!

 

Take Care,

 

Brian R. Termunde

Midvale, Utah

 

A Westerfield Wrote;

 

The first of 29 years of monthly ads.  Believe it or not, I still ran into people at train shows that had never heard of us. –

 

Al Westerfield


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

dahminator68
 

Hello Al & All.  In 2014 I went thru the Westerfield price list and counted all the variations of Kits that could be made.  I came up with 964 Kit separate variations.
Since them I have discontinued some and added some Kits so I would guess the number of variations to be between 950 and 1000 still available.

Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 1, 2019, 2:23 PM, al_westerfield <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

No, I never did.  I was too busy making them.  Likewise, I have no idea of how many kits I assembled for instructions and ads.  Someday, someone else will count them.  However, they will be wrong, because virtually every car has different lettering on the second side.  Some kits had their lettering removed for new lettering when I had no time to build new roadname cars.  And finally, one hopper car has two physically different sides.  It’s not even square.  Nor did I ever count how many different kits I offered, but I think it was well over 450.  I often said I would have to build a point-to-loop layout so I could send a train out and a different one would come back.

 

I only have 6 cars left, the first four offered and the 10th and 25th anniversary cars.  The rest went to Andrew Dahm when he bought the business.  I also have the first kit from the first production run of each of these 6. - Al Westerfield

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 7:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

 


Al, did you ever tally the total production of kits you sold over the years?

Tim O'


On 1/31/2019 7:10 PM, al_westerfield wrote:

The first of 29 years of monthly ads.  Believe it or not, I still ran into people at train shows that had never heard of us. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 3:00 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

 

Railroad Model Craftsman, October 1982 issue, ad for the first four offerings from Westerfield.

 

 

Ben Hom

 

Attachments:

·         01B0FBDFF2FC403FABFD0B53365B6F1C.png

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 


vertically mounted Klasing power hand brake

David
 

That would be the Klasing horizontal power brake wheel that Resin Car Works includes with the GN composite box kit, as shown at the bottom of this page:
http://resincarworks.com/extras/extras_kit11-01_GN_xm_1937wood.htm

David Thompson


Re: vertically mounted Klasing power hand brake

Chuck Cover
 

Owen,

 

The one pictured is not the variety of Klasing that I am looking for.  The one you show is made by Resin Car Works.

 

The Klasing on the Mather boxcars looks very much like a standard vertical brake that is turned from up on the roof, but there is a mechanism just below the ridge line that the vertical rod goes into.  Probably not explaining it correctly.  Take a look at some of your Red Caboose Mather reefer cars or a proto 2000 Mather boxcar for an example.

 

Ops here later today.

 

Chuck

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Owen Thorne
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 6:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] vertically mounted Klasing power hand brake

 

Chuck,
Is this the vertically mounted Klasing brake you are seeking? If so I have one I will send you.


Owen Thorne