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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Paul Doggett
 

Very nice Todd.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 1 Feb 2019, at 19:21, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41@...> wrote:

Well, I'm not very retired, but I am getting back to building resin kits.  The photo below is not a strictly resin kit.  It's an AMB LaserKit for a Northern Pacific 1200 series caboose.  I still have a few details to add and the brake rigging (which may as complex as rigging a square-rigger!), and then it needs to be flat-coated and weathered.  But, it's mostly done, and I did make a number of improvements based on prototype photos ... and made some mistakes.  The next one will be better!

Todd Sullivan
(modeling Portland Oregon in wintry Syracuse NY)

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Todd Sullivan
 

Well, I'm not very retired, but I am getting back to building resin kits.  The photo below is not a strictly resin kit.  It's an AMB LaserKit for a Northern Pacific 1200 series caboose.  I still have a few details to add and the brake rigging (which may as complex as rigging a square-rigger!), and then it needs to be flat-coated and weathered.  But, it's mostly done, and I did make a number of improvements based on prototype photos ... and made some mistakes.  The next one will be better!

Todd Sullivan
(modeling Portland Oregon in wintry Syracuse NY)


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Paul Doggett
 

I have 100 resin freight cars on the layout or in active storage I rotate them around I also have four resin Southern Car and Foundry baggage and RPOs and a whole raft of resin kits on the shelf awaiting building mostly Sunshine, several Speedwitch, some Westerfield and one or two others Funaro and Camerlengo, Sylvan and Yarmouth Car Works, enough to see me out 😎😎😎

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 1 Feb 2019, at 18:07, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

     Hadn't thought about this topic in this way. By count, I have 68 resin cars in service, either on the layout or in active storage for use. There are three more cars on the workbench in different stages. The roster cars are mostly Sunshine and Westerfield, but a few from practically everyone else, such as Yankee Clipper, Storzek, F&C, Speedwitch and Southern Car & Foundry.
       My unbuilt stash is about four kits, two of them recently acquired Resin Car Works kits.
       I am not counting any resin cars that I inherited from Richard Hendrickson, though in fact he didn't built that many. He really loved kitbashing and a great many of his completed cars were of that origin.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Flat Black

Denny Anspach
 

Colleagues, what utility flat black (solvent-based) are you all using these days?

I do have a cache of Floquil from their last days, and but an apparent late formula change causes them to take 24/48 hours to completely dry. Scalecoat(s) have too much gloss and take too long. TruColor works but is a mystery (specifically formulated for brushing). I am not yet looked to ModelMaster. My 60+ years of work habits are centered around solvent paint finishes that are workable within hours, not days, and I have no desire nor inclination to change. In this regard, I can be patient with key paint finishes, but am not at all patient with utility projects where I need to paint and move on.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Tony Thompson
 

     Hadn't thought about this topic in this way. By count, I have 68 resin cars in service, either on the layout or in active storage for use. There are three more cars on the workbench in different stages. The roster cars are mostly Sunshine and Westerfield, but a few from practically everyone else, such as Yankee Clipper, Storzek, F&C, Speedwitch and Southern Car & Foundry.
       My unbuilt stash is about four kits, two of them recently acquired Resin Car Works kits.
       I am not counting any resin cars that I inherited from Richard Hendrickson, though in fact he didn't built that many. He really loved kitbashing and a great many of his completed cars were of that origin.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Jerry Michels
 

Like Ron,  I bought almost everything Westerfield because at that time I was seriously considering modeling the Missouri Pacific in the 1920s, so they were right down my alley.  It took awhile to get the feel of using the metal-filled polyurethane parts (kind of like building with glass).  I kept most of my models, some are run behind a back-dated MP 2-8-2 when I want the feel of a 1920s freight.  I got a real addiction to Heinz cars, and bought and built about 10 of them before selling them off.  I moved to the transition era, and then started buying and building Sunshine kits.  

As to unbuilt kits, the only ones I have are MP stockcars.  I just don't want to spend the time doing all that sanding.

Jerry Michels


NP stock car replacement ends for CV kit

mopacfirst
 

Several years ago I ordered a set of new resin ends to fit the NP Central Valley stock car, which requires modifications to get it to the correct width.  I offered to sell off the remaining three sets of ends, since I'm only going to do one car and the ends came in a set to do four cars.  At least two people responded, but I couldn't deliver because the ends were out of stock and it took a year to make more.  So I'm making this offer again, I'll sell the other three sets for $8. each, I pay shipping.  Sorry I could not retrieve those original requestors since the emails are probably in my yahoo account that spam-ed out.

off-list, please, mopacfirst at gmail dot com

Ron Merrick


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Ken O'Brien
 

Doesn't matter if it's an old style NMRA member (vestie) or a plain old member (POM) at our local train club. We car builders are a small minority. My club has about 100 members now, with most members being retired guys "who had trains when they were kids" and now, 50-60 years later want to play with trains again. Great, we'll mentor you in the basics and if you want we'll show you how to  build a basic layout. We start out with great enthusiasm and a nice group of 10-12 guys. for a layout. In a month, we're down to 3-4 guys.

We do have a small minority of builders, maybe 5-6 guys, in the club. I have brought in current resin and plastic freight cars and offered to mentor other folks in construction, as have one or two other club members. Maybe 1 guy has expressed interest. .One of our members has a very extensive collection of freight car photos, which he has taken over the years, that he has been digitizing. He shows up occasionally with a flash drive full of his recent work and we hard core builders get razzed for watching "train porn". I remember the tan colored F&C cars (USRA DS box) and the metal filled Westerfield cars. And they actually fit my 1953 modeling time frame. I'm slowly getting them done.


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Steve Salotti
 

Hi Hugh,
I guess I'm with you.  I have about 60 resin cars, passenger and freight, from most of the producers, with all of them except one (waiting for replacement decals) built and on the layout. Too much fun to build and operate them than leave them in boxes.

Steve Salotti


Re: CG 37 box cars

Todd Horton
 

"C of G boxcars what came"     I should have checked what I typed         "C of G boxcars that came"       should be more like it
 
Todd Horton



From: Todd Horton via Groups.Io <toddchorton@...>
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CG 37 box cars

Clark, the Champ decals leave a lot of be desired. The artwork isn't correct other than the spelling.

Microscale has an excellent set for C of G boxcars what came from artwork provided by the CGRHS.
 
Todd Horton



From: Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 7:07 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CG 37 box cars

I've got a set of old Champ CofG box car decals. I checked Ed's list showing several number series, but my RMJ only had a photo of the door and a half car. Anyone have a photo of a single 6' door car. I've got the decals and a space kit, would like to marry the two.
WC Propst





Re: CG 37 box cars

Todd Horton
 

Clark, the Champ decals leave a lot of be desired. The artwork isn't correct other than the spelling.

Microscale has an excellent set for C of G boxcars what came from artwork provided by the CGRHS.
 
Todd Horton



From: Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 7:07 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] CG 37 box cars

I've got a set of old Champ CofG box car decals. I checked Ed's list showing several number series, but my RMJ only had a photo of the door and a half car. Anyone have a photo of a single 6' door car. I've got the decals and a space kit, would like to marry the two.
WC Propst



Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

 

For what it is worth, I have built about sixty resin freight car kits, all HO, for my model railroad.  Right now I have no unbuilt kits.  I build them when I buy them.  HTG


Re: CG 37 box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"I've got a set of old Champ CofG box car decals. I checked Ed's list showing several number series, but my RMJ only had a photo of the door and a half car. Anyone have a photo of a single 6' door car. I've got the decals and a space kit, would like to marry the two."

Fenton Wells replied:
"I have this one that may help."

Fenton - Not a 1937 AAR boxcar.  CG 4293 (CG 4000-4499) is a 9 ft 4 in 1932 ARA boxcar.

Clark - Which Champ set do you have?  If it's HN-46, you can use it on a 1932 ARA boxcar model if you have a Funaro or Atlas model in the stash and can find appropriate data.


Ben Hom


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Bill Welch
 

Here on this group.

Bill Welch


Northern Pacific Stock Car 80163

Lester Breuer
 

I have finished a Northern Pacific stock car, NP, 80163, an upgraded Proto 2000 kit.   Upgrade includes wire grab irons, uncoupling levers, retainer line and removal of molded plastic in areas between boards to match NP Prototype.   The attached photo of the upgraded stock car was taken before weathering added.  Photos and writeup of finished NP 80163 stock car are on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:


Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

mopacfirst
 

Like my friend Jerry, my first resin kit was the UP 50' box.  Only after I built and painted it did I realize it was way too old for what I was then planning.  So the car is still here, still sitting on the shelt, but it's built.  And it's still too old for my modeling era.

While I know there are lots of unbuilt stashes of these kits, one thing from my personal experience is that some people, myself specifically, bought cars that were really out of our era because we were so anxious to build anything that wasn't blue box level that we'd take whatever was available.  I've been eBay-ing some that I know are not right for me, while fishing others out of the stash and actually getting some of them built.  The Sunshine especially, since they're no longer available, are selling consistently, so somebody wants them even if they may only be transferring to a different stash.

Back to building -- I took a foreign assignment in 1986 and took some Westerfield kits with me.  That original resin was a problem, and I ended up breaking one car (side, roof, I don't remember) in half while I was struggling with it.  That one for sure was never finished.  I'm pretty sure one or two came back built, although I wasn't able to paint anything there.  I did break one USRA double-sheathed car side in half with small splinters, later when I was back home, and glued it back together such that you can't tell there was a break.  That one's still on the railroad.

Ron Merrick


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

I'm sorry, Bill: posted where?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 8:12 AM
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Based on the scarcity of modeling photos posted here one can only surmise there is very little modeling going on.

Bill Welch


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Based on the scarcity of modeling photos posted here one can only surmise there is very little wire bending, drilling modeling going on.

Bill Welch


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

I am not surprised. I was asked for a group of years, to represent RPM interests at some NMRA conventions, and to show up with my motive power and freight cars. I showed up with same, and put them on a display table. I then received a day's worth of people, many of them vesties, that were dumbfounded that any such thing as resin kits even existed. I had a built but unpainted Westerfield gondola that they marveled over. I mean bug-eyed! None of them had ever seen a pin vise, or knew that you could drill holes for wire grab irons. They were stupefied at underframe details. I demonstrated bending wire into grabs with a small pair of pliers, and they just laughed and laughed. Maybe they thought I was nuts, but they were the ones in goofy engineer hats and dorky vests.

That was their side of the hobby, and we have ours. A far better deal we got.

I am grateful to Al for drop kicking me into the best part of this hobby: super-detailed hand-assembled freight cars.

As to the question of how many Westerfield freight cars I can think of that I've finished: MW PRR G22, G22A, 4xG22B, GRA, 2xB&O O-27s, H21A, 2xG25 and one G25A, 2xHB1A and one Youngstown container blocks, P&LE USRA gon, X26 box car, and a bad order G25 I park on sidings to see if operators get it; I must have a thing for Westerfield resin kits....

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Madden via Groups.Io
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 05:10 PM, al_westerfield wrote:


The first of 29 years of monthly ads. Believe it or not, I still ran into people at train shows that had never heard of us. – Al Westerfield





A couple of years ago the long-time newsletter editor for our local club, who's been in the hobby for decades, asked what companies used my cast resin parts. I mentioned Sunshine Models, Resin Car Works and Bethlehem Car Works. He said he'd never heard of any of them. Sometimes it gets lonely.....

Tom Madden


Re: CG 37 box cars

O Fenton Wells
 

I have this one that may help
Fenton

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 7:07 PM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
I've got a set of old Champ CofG box car decals. I checked Ed's list showing several number series, but my RMJ only had a photo of the door and a half car. Anyone have a photo of a single 6' door car. I've got the decals and a space kit, would like to marry the two.
WC Propst



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