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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] BLI Tank Cars - Other prototypes?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

See message 161525 and following from this past January.  I didn't include enough key words in my message to make it easy to find with the group's search function, which actually works quite well.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of devansprr
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 12:16 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] BLI Tank Cars - Other prototypes?

Gentlemen,

Back in March 2017 on the old list, some discussion of the first run of these cars suggested that the paint schemes were likely authentic due to use of photographs and ACF paint records from the Barriger collection.

For the UTLX tanks now offered, the car numbers do not appear to match the ORER for either 1943 or 1945. (ORER lists numbers in this range as car type LT - rated at 100,000 pounds capacity.)

Is BLI taking accurate paint schemes for various tank cars but applying them to models that may be off considerably from the prototype car? Or is the UTLX model an outlier, or am I misinterpreting the ORER?

I tried searching the archives here but did not find many 2019 posts about the latest BLI run.

Thanks-in-advance,
Dave Evans


Re: Describing your hobby

Peter Ness
 

Over the years of responding, for me, the most suitable response is; "I play with trains".  As others have commented usual responses range from knowing someone in the family that also plays with or used to play with trains, to an admission the querent used to play with trains.  VERY rarely, but sometimes, they respond they also play with trains or their spouse plays with (or collects) trains. I can't say I've met many nasty folks - whatever the definition is - but the worst I get is a grunt to which I respond; "Hey! In some ways I guess I never grew up!" If there is any follow-up conversation I say my interests have changed over the years and I model a specific railroad in New England and tell them they can take a look at my website if they are curious.  Sometimes mentioning New England changes the course of the conversation to visits they have made or family that live there, etc. If the initial response is either fish eyes on ice or deer in the headlights I go straight to the "never grew up line", chuckle and move the conversation along.

One thing I've also noticed over the years; in many - but not all - cases the hobby question is asked of me AFTER the person has already told me their hobby.  If they have already told me of their hobby, I pattern my response along the lines of theirs; if it was a brief "I collect guns" I reply; "I collect trains", if they have waxed eloquent over the fascinating and creative world of scrapbooking I counter with the joys of modeling the New Haven Railroad in 1959. If this is not what prompted their question, it is usually my follow-up.  Heck, of someone wants to take the chance to ask of my hobby, lets put them on the spot as well.

I've had the question asked on job interviews and give exactly the same response.  Over years I've learned from the HR POV this can be a checkbox question.  It is better to have a hobby than not. And it is better to have a hobby that is NOT surfing the interwebs or playing video games. In interviews with hiring managers I have learned that having a hobby that involves use of hands is a strong plus, indicating a "hands on" approach to problem solving - a very desirable trait in any field. Little do they know...but still, I like to think there is some merit to their line of thinking. I have a link to my website on my resume and LinkedIn.  In (hopefully) my most recent hire (back to my home in New Hampshire, last planned job before retirement), my hiring manager posted a complete sentence that my hobby is model railroading in the org announcement. To date at work, no one has contacted me about model trains, but 4-5 guys have come to introduce themselves because I drive a Trans Am and they also drive a muscle car.  Oh well.... 

Peter Ness


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

jerryglow2
 

Back when I was in SoCal and ran a model paint shop, one friend sharpened dowls to use in place of wheelsets when we media blasted trucks.


Re: Describing your hobby

np328
 

  John, 
     I explain that I am into railroad research and "yeah, I play with trains also". And I look straight into their eyes when I say this.
           If we at my house I'll offer them a copy of my railroad societies historical magazine with an article that I've had published. After looking at the article for a moment, most people give an appreciative grunt.  Most professional people acknowledge the work that takes. 

      Now with others, (it depends on the read you get off them or if they are  - the nasty ones - as described by Roger above.) I'll answer that "I do historical research, mostly about railroads. And before you ask, do I play with trains? Yup, just like Reverend Lovejoy on the Simpsons ! "  I've found that to generate anything from a smile to more often laughter. For most of those nasty types, the humor completely deflects any follow up they might have. Other people, it seems to put them at ease. Matt Groening always has wrote Reverend Lovejoy's model railroading experiences as never going too well. A useful foil.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Jim Dick - St. Paul   


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] BLI Tank Cars - Other prototypes?

devansprr
 

Gentlemen,

Back in March 2017 on the old list, some discussion of the first run of these cars suggested that the paint schemes were likely authentic due to use of photographs and ACF paint records from the Barriger collection.

For the UTLX tanks now offered, the car numbers do not appear to match the ORER for either 1943 or 1945. (ORER lists numbers in this range as car type LT - rated at 100,000 pounds capacity.)

Is BLI taking accurate paint schemes for various tank cars but applying them to models that may be off considerably from the prototype car? Or is the UTLX model an outlier, or am I misinterpreting the ORER?

I tried searching the archives here but did not find many 2019 posts about the latest BLI run.

Thanks-in-advance,
Dave Evans


Re: PRR 2D-F1 HO trucks, was Describing your hobby

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Dave,
 
Thanks.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Dave Parker via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 11:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR 2D-F1 HO trucks, was Describing your hobby
 
Ralph, AFAIK the Bowser arch-bar (74326, 74325) is based on the 2D-F1.  And their Crown truck on the 2E-F2.

Dave Parker
Riverside CA


Describing my Hobby

Paul Catapano
 

I tell them that what I do in my hobby is on the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe.

Paul Catapano
Winchester, Va.


Re: PRR 2D-F1 HO trucks, was Describing your hobby

Dave Parker
 

Ralph, AFAIK the Bowser arch-bar (74326, 74325) is based on the 2D-F1.  And their Crown truck on the 2E-F2.

Dave Parker
Riverside CA


PRR 2D-F1 HO trucks, was Describing your hobby

Ralph W. Brown
 

Alas, it seems we’re a much misunderstood lot, but most of the uninitiated have no clue what they’re missing!
 
Speaking describing the hobby or things pertaining to the hobby, however, does any know of an available HO scale model of an arch bar truck with a 5’6” wheelbase that would work for a PRR 2D-F1?
 
Pax,
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: mopacfirst
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 10:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Describing your hobby
 
The classic conversation:

"You're what?  Oh, trains.  How many sets do you have?"

When I say "None", they're usually totally non-plussed.  Explaining about building freight cars sometimes lasts a few sentences, long enough for the other party to recall that Uncle whatever, or Grandpa, used to have some Lionel and how it's either still in the attic or "How much do you think it's worth and can I sell it on eBay?"

Ron Merrick


Re: Describing your hobby

Jim Hayes
 

My wife would say I build museum quality models.

JimH


Re: Describing your hobby

Tim O'Connor
 

"model trains" - I might get a weird look, but there's rarely any follow up. which is fine with me.

"surfing the web" seems to be the most popular leisure activity in the entire world now :-(

On 5/10/2019 10:46 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
The classic conversation:

"You're what?  Oh, trains.  How many sets do you have?"

When I say "None", they're usually totally non-plussed. Explaining about building freight cars sometimes lasts a few sentences, long enough for the other party to recall that Uncle whatever, or Grandpa, used to have some Lionel and how it's either still in the attic or "How much do you think it's worth and can I sell it on eBay?"

Ron Merrick
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Describing your hobby

mopacfirst
 

The classic conversation:

"You're what?  Oh, trains.  How many sets do you have?"

When I say "None", they're usually totally non-plussed.  Explaining about building freight cars sometimes lasts a few sentences, long enough for the other party to recall that Uncle whatever, or Grandpa, used to have some Lionel and how it's either still in the attic or "How much do you think it's worth and can I sell it on eBay?"

Ron Merrick


Re: Describing your hobby

Randy Hammill
 

I’m making an operational scale model of the New Haven railroad in New Britain, CT following WWII. It usually goes into a bit of discussion about how different New Britain was before the RT 9 and especially the RT 72 highways went in, which took out huge sections of the city. Then I’ll point them to my website.

Randy 
--
Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954

--

Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954  | https//:blog.newbritainstation.com


WTB: Intermountain Undec FP7 Loco Kit

Allen Cain
 

Looking to buy an Intermountain HO undecorated and unstarted complete FP7 loco kit number 49993. Would also consider their kit with sound, 49993S

Thanks, Allen Cain


Steam Related

John Sykes III
 

UP 4-8-8-4 4014 made its first mainline run on Wednesday pm and Thursday am from Cheyenne, WY to Ogden, UT for the sesquicentennial of the Transcontinental Railroad. As a UPRR aficionado and stockholder, the videos of this run (there are several on You Tube and other sites) brought tears to my eyes.  Now to see a video of it hauling 110 or so freight cars - heaven!

-- John


Re: Describing your hobby

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

I just tell them I'm a model railroader and proceed depending on their reaction. Some are curious and some are humored. The nasty ones I just ignore and explain there are many types of hobbies. Some play with trains, some spend all their money on beer and sports, some spend it all on boats, campers, tents and fishing stuff. It would suck if everyone did the same thing. Lakes are crowded enough on weekends just imagine what it would be like if everyone were there?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, May 10, 2019, 4:51:43 PM CDT, John Riddell <riddellj@...> wrote:


Guys, 
when someone asks you what is your hobby, what do you answer ? Or how do you briefly describe your hobby to a "layman" ?

John Riddell


Describing your hobby

John Riddell
 

Guys, 
when someone asks you what is your hobby, what do you answer ? Or how do you briefly describe your hobby to a "layman" ?

John Riddell


Re: ATSF 50' boxes

charles slater
 

   John there were also some Fe-Q cars rebuilt into Fe-V Series 66200-66700 1935/36 (number of cars ?) rebuilt with steel sides and auto loaders inside. Also 51 class Fe-U cars were modified into Fe-W class cars in series 67261-67311 in 1935 also with auto loaders.
Charlie Slater

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of John Barry <northbaylines@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 6:51 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF 50' boxes
 
Santa Fe purchased 3000 50' boxes between 1909 and 1930:

Class    Blt    Orig    1929
Fe-K    1909    500    462
Fe-K    1910    500    476
Fe-M    1910    500    479
Fe-Q    1924    500    499
Fe-R    1926    500    498
Fe-S    1928    500    500
Fe-U    1930    500

The DS Fe-K and M had the four fishbelly underframe members and became the core for the "whale belly" steel 50' rebuilds the Santa Fe began converting in 1936 with only 3 surviving as wood sheathed cars to the end of WWII.  The Fe-Q-R-S were similarly converted starting in 1940.  The Fe-S to 50 Fe-21 single door (SD) cars in 1940, 200 DD Fe-22 in 41, and 249 DD Fe-23 mostly in 41 with the last few by 53.  The Fe-R the SD Bx-40, and the Fe-Q the DD Fe-25.  The Fe-U's had their aux doors sealed to become SD Bx-35 in 1940 except for 17 engine cars that were converted in 1943. 


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Sunshine PDS (was ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC)

Jim Hayes
 

After I retired a couple of times, my daughter suggested I create a website as something to do. She suggested Sunshine Models. I received a reluctant OK from Martin and that's where the website started. After Martin died and it was evident that there would be no more kits, I in effect froze the site, stated that fact on the home page, and called it a day. As time passed by, my HTML skills have faded and I'm not sure I have the energy to make a major addition to the website. As I said previously, I'm hoping to pass the whole thing to Eric. I'll let Eric and Frank decide on changes to the Sunshine Kits website.

P.S. I never believed that Martin didn't have email. I know he communicated regularly with his son in California and it wasn't via US mail. He had the skills to send me an occasional CD. I think he kept his email address secret to reduce the load of queries he would have gotten otherwise.

JimH


WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 8, No 2, May, 2019

dahminator68
 

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