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Re: PRR 2D-F8 Trucks

Benjamin Hom
 

Robert Amsler, Jr. asked:
"I am looking for some 2D-F8 Pennsy trucks.  I don’t like the Kadee trucks because I don’t think the sprung trucks look prototypical.  I have looked for Bowser and Red Caboose trucks but can’t find any.  Does anyone have any suggestions for trucks that would look close?"

Previous responses (including some dating back to 2004) have covered this; however, here are several other things to consider:
- Bolster design changed over the lifetime of these trucks, with the Red Caboose trucks representing an earlier version and the Bowser trucks representing later trucks.

- Bowser charges a flat shipping fee of $9.95.  Consider bundling your order with other items if you order directly to amortize the shipping.

- Additionally, Bowser included these trucks as stand-ins for AAR cast sideframe ("Bettendorf") trucks in non-PRR kits, particularly ACF covered hoppers, so you can rob trucks from those kits as you'll need to replace them anyway.

- Finally, consider the Kadee trucks with view blocks (to minimize the Ovechkin effect) for open cars as they'll add weight for tracking.  (If you go that route for the Bowser hoppers and gons, you can then reuse those trucks for house cars).


Ben Hom  


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Lawrence Rast
 

Micahel,

Brilliant. Many thanks for the idea!

Lawrence Rast
Fort Wayne, Indiana


On May 10, 2019, at 9:34 AM, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:

Johannes, those are, indeed, plastic wheels.  I always install plastic wheels when painting and weathering models.  Among other things, the axles mask the stock truck axle pockets from paint.  The model will eventually have metal .088 semi-scale wheels.
--
Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV


Modeling a ATSF Bx-11 rod braces

Bill Welch
 

I am working on two Westy Classics, ATST Bx-11 and Bx-12 with raised roof. The 1955 photo I have of a Bx-11 shows the corner rods still in place. I wanted these to have relief or stand away for the side so I used SS tubing, .012 wire held on with the very small Yarmouth PE eyebolts. They eyebolts are small enough they can barely be seen and will disappear when the model is painted. I like the effect. Thanks to my friend Peter Aue for the very small eyebolts

Bill Welch


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Michael,
 
this definitely makes sense.
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Mai 2019 um 15:34 Uhr
Von: "Michael Gross" <ActorMichaelGross@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent Tank Car Additions
Johannes, those are, indeed, plastic wheels.  I always install plastic wheels when painting and weathering models.  Among other things, the axles mask the stock truck axle pockets from paint.  The model will eventually have metal .088 semi-scale wheels.
--
Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Tim O'Connor
 

that's a really good idea! doh, it never occurred to me to do that. :-[

Tim O'

On 5/10/2019 9:34 AM, Michael Gross wrote:
Johannes, those are, indeed, plastic wheels.  I always install plastic wheels when painting and weathering models.  Among other things, the axles mask the stock truck axle pockets from paint.  The model will eventually have metal .088 semi-scale wheels.
--
Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: PRR 2D-F8 Trucks

Tim O'Connor
 


Kadee has been converting their trucks to the HGC plastic. I think their priority has been
to first convert the trucks for their RTR freight cars. Give Sam a ring and find it if they will be
bringing out the 2D-F8 trucks in HGC.

Meanwhile a tiny sliver of black styrene glued to the back side of the metal trucks will get
rid of the "see through" appearance of the metal trucks.

My gripe with the metal trucks is how poorly they roll. I replace the wheels with Reboxx wheelsets
and they roll just fine. The HGC trucks roll very well.

Tim O'Connor




On 5/10/2019 12:46 AM, Robert J. Amsler, Jr. wrote:

I am looking for some 2D-F8 Pennsy trucks.  I don’t like the Kadee trucks because I don’t think the sprung trucks look prototypical.  I have looked for Bowser and Red Caboose trucks but can’t find any.  Does anyone have any suggestions for trucks that would look close?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Etched freight car ladders

mopacfirst
 

The 8 rung ladders are probably there because they were an option, added to the Branchline kits for prototypes that had the 8 rung.  The regular side and end detail sprues had 7 rung ladders, along with the side and end grabs, tackboards, etc..

Ron Merrick


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Michael Gross
 

Johannes, those are, indeed, plastic wheels.  I always install plastic wheels when painting and weathering models.  Among other things, the axles mask the stock truck axle pockets from paint.  The model will eventually have metal .088 semi-scale wheels.
--
Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR 2D-F8 Trucks

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Robert;

Order the Bowser truck directly: part no 74286, and add your choice of wheelsets.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR 2D-F8 Trucks

I am looking for some 2D-F8 Pennsy trucks. I don't like the Kadee trucks because I don't think the sprung trucks look prototypical. I have looked for Bowser and Red Caboose trucks but can't find any. Does anyone have any suggestions for trucks that would look close?



Thanks in advance.



Robert J. Amsler, Jr.

514 Dover Place

Saint Louis, Missouri 63111

(314) 606-6118 (Telephone)

(314) 754-2688 (Facsimile)

MPFan1@charter.net


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

vapeurchapelon
 

Beautyful car, no doubt!
But do you have installed plastic wheels? The flanges do look much larger than regular RP25s.
 
Best regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Mai 2019 um 00:24 Uhr
Von: "Michael Gross" <ActorMichaelGross@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Tangent Tank Car Additions
Because I keep breaking things, I end up doing more detailing on a ready-to-run car than I otherwise might, and the Tangent 3-dome tank is a perfect example.

It's a beautiful model right out of the box but, no sooner had I begun the weathering process than I broke one of the fragile corner sill steps.  Santa Fe modeler friend Peter Aue offered to make a new set of etched brass replacements and, after breaking two more of the sill steps, they came in handy.  (These are now available as Yarmouth Model Words part YMW-220). One improved detail often leads to another, and I soon found myself carving away major parts of the brake detail and replacing it with brass wire, clevises (Tichy #8021) and brake chain (A-Line #29219).  Original hoses were replace with Hi-Tech details 22" hoses, with new brackets fashioned from brass strap stock.

Still need to paint the new parts, install semi-scale wheel sets, apply warning placards, and reattach part of the valve I knocked off on the far left dome.  Weathering to follow.

What began as a simple weathering job became—owing to my clumsiness—so much more.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV


Re: Etched freight car ladders

 

Ben,

They’re definitely there and turned up in a search:
https://shop.atlasrr.com/p-4054-ho-8-rung-ladders-2-sets-side-and-end.aspx

/Colin


Re: PRR 2D-F8 Trucks

Dave Parker
 

I think this has been discussed before, probably more than once.  The only way I know to acquire the RC version is to stumble into an older kit (or RTR?) that came with them.

AFAIK, the Bowsers are still available.  P/N 74277 for the trucks, 74286 for the frames. 

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


PRR 2D-F8 Trucks

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
 

I am looking for some 2D-F8 Pennsy trucks.  I don’t like the Kadee trucks because I don’t think the sprung trucks look prototypical.  I have looked for Bowser and Red Caboose trucks but can’t find any.  Does anyone have any suggestions for trucks that would look close?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.

514 Dover Place

Saint Louis, Missouri 63111

(314) 606-6118  (Telephone)

(314) 754-2688  (Facsimile)

MPFan1@...

 

 


Re: Sunshine PDS (was ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC)

Douglas Harding
 

Tim you may be correct. But as one who has worked with research libraries who claim “ownership” of photos, so I can use the images in a publication, I know that if I was to freely disperse that image, I may not be able to use images from that research library in the future. In a similar vein if we all started posting the images we purchased from Bob’s Photos, he might stop bringing them to shows ending a tremendous resource for us all.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Sunshine PDS (was ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC)

 


Martin never posted anything at all online, as far as I know. I don't know if
he even had email.

But it's all very silly IMO. When Ted Culotta sold his photo collection on Ebay,
he posted over 5,000 beautiful images, and they were captured by MANY people. And a
number of those same images have been published. And of course tens of thousands of
fine images have been posted on Ebay without watermarks - I'll wager almost everyone
here has snagged some.

Good luck to anyone who brings a lawsuit to try to collect for "damages" from a
shared hobby photo. I have over 90,000 images on my hard drive, all but 2,000 or
so found online, or shared with me by other people. The rest are my own scans.

A scan of a photocopy of a small medium quality print isn't a threat to anyone who may
wish to publish a high resolution photo in a book, or who wants to sell the original
to a collector.

:-(

Tim O'Connor



On 5/9/2019 3:15 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

sales flyers, yes.  PDS sheets, I don't think so.  They generally contain photos that Martin did not have permission to place on-line.

 

Steve

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 2:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)


aren't they are available online?

On 5/9/2019 2:54 PM, tyesac@... via Groups.Io wrote:

It would be nice if the PDS sheets that came in the Sunshine kits could be offered up for some amount.  They had a wealth of information on those cars he offered kits for.

 

Tom Casey  

Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. 

Tom Madden



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Terminate 4014 messages on the STMFC

Mikebrock
 

It is with great pleasure that I must act to terminate all threads regarding UP Big Boy 4014 and its return to life. I mean, who would have thought…However, …face it guys, 4014 is not a freight car. OTOH, I have to say that 4014 led many frt cars during its first life and continues to do so today [ I have ruled that a baggage car can be considered to be a frt car ]

 

Of course, a comment about a steam era freight car is certainly appropriate. And, of course, a comment about 4014 and a steam era frt car in the same message would be acceptable. Probably.

 

Mike Brock

RealSTMFC Bossman


Re: ATSF 50' boxes

Steve SANDIFER
 

I got some good photos inside and out of a Fe-K being used as a warehouse in Howard, KS.


On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:51 PM, John Barry
<northbaylines@...> wrote:
Santa Fe purchased 3000 50' boxes between 1909 and 1930:

Class    Blt    Orig    1929
Fe-K    1909    500    462
Fe-K    1910    500    476
Fe-M    1910    500    479
Fe-Q    1924    500    499
Fe-R    1926    500    498
Fe-S    1928    500    500
Fe-U    1930    500

The DS Fe-K and M had the four fishbelly underframe members and became the core for the "whale belly" steel 50' rebuilds the Santa Fe began converting in 1936 with only 3 surviving as wood sheathed cars to the end of WWII.  The Fe-Q-R-S were similarly converted starting in 1940.  The Fe-S to 50 Fe-21 single door (SD) cars in 1940, 200 DD Fe-22 in 41, and 249 DD Fe-23 mostly in 41 with the last few by 53.  The Fe-R the SD Bx-40, and the Fe-Q the DD Fe-25.  The Fe-U's had their aux doors sealed to become SD Bx-35 in 1940 except for 17 engine cars that were converted in 1943. 


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


ATSF 50' boxes

John Barry
 

Santa Fe purchased 3000 50' boxes between 1909 and 1930:

Class    Blt    Orig    1929
Fe-K    1909    500    462
Fe-K    1910    500    476
Fe-M    1910    500    479
Fe-Q    1924    500    499
Fe-R    1926    500    498
Fe-S    1928    500    500
Fe-U    1930    500

The DS Fe-K and M had the four fishbelly underframe members and became the core for the "whale belly" steel 50' rebuilds the Santa Fe began converting in 1936 with only 3 surviving as wood sheathed cars to the end of WWII.  The Fe-Q-R-S were similarly converted starting in 1940.  The Fe-S to 50 Fe-21 single door (SD) cars in 1940, 200 DD Fe-22 in 41, and 249 DD Fe-23 mostly in 41 with the last few by 53.  The Fe-R the SD Bx-40, and the Fe-Q the DD Fe-25.  The Fe-U's had their aux doors sealed to become SD Bx-35 in 1940 except for 17 engine cars that were converted in 1943. 


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I used the excellent decals from Black Cat in Canada for my model.  I believe that he includes some extra material now for the Tangent car.  See http://www.blackcatdecals.com/product/gatx20717-h-gatx-tank-cars-1920s-1965/



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Gross
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 7:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent Tank Car Additions

That's an excellent question Tim.

Perhaps Steve Hill has an answer for it.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV


Re: Sunshine PDS (was ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC)

Jim Hayes
 

I do not have them on my website. I'm just not sure about publishing rights. But I'm willing to share one for those in need, Because of my advancing age I'm working with Eric Hansmann to turn the Sunshine site over to him and Frank Hodina. I'll let them decide about adding all the PDSs to the site.

JimH


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Michael Gross
 

Steve, I so appreciate your note.  I have those Yarmouth Eye Bolts (done by Peter Aue), and will use them on the safety valves.  Good catch, and very grateful for it.

Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV

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