Doug, 
        as an NP researcher of about four decades now this is the best advice I can give you: Join the io NP Modelers list and the io Telltale, the io Milwaukee list also and repost your query there. People who model the log service seem to be a specific grouping, just as Narrow Gauge Modelers are. (Caps out of respect.)  And hope for the best. 
 
     Old gons were used, as were old boxcars stripped of about everything above the underframe till only the skeleton remained. What boxcars were chosen for this task? Boxcars that would otherwise have been scrapped. Boxcars from the 1900s to the 1930s. Needless to say, there is not a lot of paperwork found in records I have seen. These would have been decisions made by shops very local to the area. And shop foremen local to the area.
      From what records I have found, series of (very old) cars would be marked for dismantling. From that group, some would be partially dismantled to be log cars. Again, these were local decisions and would be spot decisions. Records would have been kept in the NP Tacoma offices. 
      Of the little paperwork that I have found, it would read from corporate that from old cars to be retired/dismantled at South Tacoma Car shops, local officers should request what they feel are numbers sufficient to handled next years projected needs. And that would be it for a paper trail, at least here in Minnesota at the MNHS regarding corporate records.  
 
     Log cars are best described as the equivalent of hide cars, just in different service. And just like hide cars, a half-life existence where equipment goes to eventually die having cheated death once.      

     Of modeling, you would need gondolas from the above mentioned dates, perhaps like the class of 1923 59000 series. None of any of these earlier gons I am aware are being produced other than (possibly) resin.  And resin would not be too bad as you could warm the resin sides to where the side panels are bulging rather greatly.
       GS gons like Red Caboose or Detail Associates are not completely accurate for NP however are available at Flea markets and other events. And then again, beat the heck out of those modeling wise. Otherwise Accurail gons. Compromises all.   
     Of skeleton cars, good luck. I and (good friend) the late Ed Ursem spent weeks going through files at the MHS as Ed wanted to model the NP's Raymond branch and we found precious little on skeleton flats or disconnects other than some sketches. Certainly nothing that could be turned over to a model mfgr and expect to see a tangible model appear.  

    Of photos, there was (available through the nprha company store) a couple of Mainstreeter magazines that may have photos that covered the area of your interest. The Vol 33-4 issue might have some, there was another issue on the branch that ran out to Raymond, WA however I don't readily recall that issue.  Museum of the Rockies has the Ron Nixon collection on-line and that is searchable.  http://www.morphotoarchive.org/rvndb/    Plenty of photos.  You could look there.        
                                                                                                                                                                            Best of luck,             Jim Dick - St. Paul                                 
 
    

They are my go-to for air hoses. They work in most places.  I use them in their bracket and the PSC bracket.  

I have posted this request with the Early Rails Grp already but thought I would ask this grp too. I'm interested in "investing" in Hi Tech HO freight car air hoses and would like to know what experiences people have had with them. I would be equipping about 80 pieces of rolling stock so this would be a significant expenditure in resources. They offer 22" and 26" lengths in HO. I presume the 22" is for earlier eras  Any info or insights about them would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Richard

In this case the reweigh date of 66 corresponds with the pint date. That was the mid-1960s UP paint scheme.

I received a 3 pack Accurail set of the cars shown in the attached photo. The cars do not have the O.-W.R.& N. small letters to show ownership which the Jan. 1953 ORER states they should have.  The cars have R-3-4 ends and have a diagonal panel roof.  Wondering when built and when painted in this paint scheme if prototype exists.
Thank You for your time and effort to help in advance.

Lester Breuer

I just returned from a weekend in Enumclaw racing my bicycle around the back roads and going over the old MILW row multiple times. I had much time to ponder what the MILW did while riding circles in the hills for three hours. The 410 quarry above town by a few miles has an interesting bridge going over the highway for the MILW, so I was wondering if they mixed in gons/hoppers with the log loads. This thread is perfect timing. Hard to pin down how the tracks made their way through the terrain in that area, it's steep. 

Tony Pawley

Not a "straight on" photo but you can see the features of the end pretty well in this photo.

Tim O'

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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Could be used to transport automobiles to Key West or one of the other Keys that were ONLY
accessible by Flagler's Key West extension until the railroad was wiped out and turned into an
automobile road.

Tim O'Connor

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Does anybody have the straight on photo of an Rr-46 B end?  I could have sworn that I had one in the Santa Fe historical society book or one of Teds books but cant find it now.  I might be losing my mind and saw it someplace else too.  

Thanks,
Scott McDonald

Clark, the roof appears to me to be a VIKING roof.

The CNW purchased 50 foot single door (6 foot) box cars with 5/5 ends and they
also rebuilt and lengthened 40 foot single door cars with 4/5 ends (in the 17000's)
but I can't tell from your photo what type of ends are on the car.

Tim O'Connor

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

If one were to attempt to build a model of one of the Swift Line tank cars, what would be the best model to start with?
Lester Breuer

Spen,

You were the first to tie in the PLANT, which completed the story linking to Texas.

John Barry
 
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On 5/20/2019 4:01 PM, John Barry wrote:

Ding, ding , ding Spend is a winner! The photo location is inside AF plant 4 located adjacent to Fort Worth Army Airfield, later Carswell AFB, and now Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth. The government owned, contractor operated plant was constructed by the Defence Plant Corporation in 1941 and operated by Consolidated Aircraft and it's successors. The main production building is over a mile long. I didn't get to see it ful of B-24s, but I did see it in the 80's with the F-16. A very impressive sight And although the Brewster Buckaneer cowl is similar, their plants were in NY and PA.

Thank you, John, but there at least three who posted B-24 before me.

Spen Kellogg

There are several photos in the NP steam loco books by Schrenk and Frey.  Look in the sections on the 2-8-2s with photos in Washington State.  Sorry I can't be more specific - all my books are packed for a move.

Todd Sullivan

I need to model some MILW and NP log cars used in Washington State in the 1940's & 50's time frame. I am having no luck finding any photos of prototype log trains & log cars for either railroad. I did find a diagram of an NP log flat at the NPRHA. It doesn't show how they held the logs on it though, just the flat car itself. And I'd really like to find some photos. These log trains were not logging trains of timber companies, but rather ran in interchange service to log dumps serving mills in Everett & Tacoma. What type of car is appropriate? For example, regular flat cars with stakes? Regular flat cars with log cradles? Skeleton log cars? Any pointers would be appreciated.
Thanks!

Doug Paasch

Spen, not the ((-№"₦@: auto correct mis-spelling

John Barry
 
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