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Re: Roof Name help

Dave Parker
 

I agree with Bill.  The drawings in the 1922 Cyc show the "riblets" stopping a few inches short of the eave.

Lester, your photo made me run downstairs and check my stash of unbuilt F&C kits.  It's not a large sample, but the only two kits with that "un-Hutchins" roof are the two CV auto cars (2- and 1.5-door versions).  Everything else has a very Hutchins DL look to iy, although one might complain that the details are a bit over-done, including the riblets.

My favorite rendition of the Hutchins is the Sylvan resin part, which seems simpler than carving up an Accurail body.  Alas, it is too long and with incorrect seam-cap spacing to fix the problem with the CV auto cars.  Perhaps ironically, the closest match to the needed roof that I have on hand is the F&C kit for the CV's 7000-series SS boxcars built a few years before the auto cars.  It's not perfect, but quite close, and I may try casting copies of it for the two auto cars.

Thanks for sharing; it was an important heads-up for me given the significance of the CV to my interests.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Roof Name help

Bill Welch
 

Good start Lester. Are you sure the rib stamping in the middle of each panel extended to the edge?

Bill Welch


Re: Roof Name help

Lester Breuer
 

Bill I agree.  I thought about the Acccurail roof; however, changed my mind.  This afternoon,  I installed the kit roof and scribed grooves between the roof ribs and in the grooves installed Plastruct .010” styrene round rod.  I have attached a photo of the result.
Lester Breuer


Re: Roof Name help

Bill Welch
 

Well actually it is what Steve thinks is a Hutchins roof. If you have an Accurail model w/their excellent Hutchins roof, it can be used to help detail the F&C roof: "V" like crimps on the very ends of the roof ribs; .010 styrene rod used to mimic the intermediate crimp in the roof panels; and an NBW towards the end of each roof rib. Or buy an Undec Accurail body—they are inexpensive—and cut the roof off. I have done that a few times too.

Bill Welch


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Eric Hansmann
 

Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.

The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also very interesting. 

Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar. This, and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late 1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned the BR&P at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: All-Beer Train

Jeff
 

One local layout owner, who's layout is a geographically oriented freelance set in 1952, has a Shay locomotive set off to the side with an 85-ft double-plug-door high-cube boxcar attached that will be assigned to anyone complaining about anachronisms. 

Here's your throttle.

(with apologies to Bill Engvall) 

I bet such a colorful train gets quite a bit of attention from the passerbys. 

First you hook 'em (on model railroading) and then you reel' em in (to more prototypical modeling). 

Jeff Shultz


On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:53 Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:
Friends,

Just back from the Shenandoah Valley Model Train Show in Virginia. On one of the modular layouts a 'vested interest" was running a train of 77 billboard beer refrigerators, all different, and steam-era (mandatory content), though many were decorated for modern craft beers. I rate this somewhere near plastic lawn flamingos on the taste scale. Is there any way we can have this guy locked up?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: some type of milk car?

MDelvec952 <MDelvec952@...>
 

 Yes, the cars with ice hatches are Lackawanna Railroad milk cars, insulated and equipped for carrying cans. 

Mike Del Vecchio


On May 5, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
Are the cars in the links below some type of milk car? Thoughts?
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: some type of milk car?

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Claus, those appear to me to be silk cars. Not milk. Some railroads ran them as expedited freight in special one-commodity trains. I remember reading about them some years ago in one of the magazines and the cars were identical to these.

Bill Daniels


On May 5, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
Are the cars in the links below some type of milk car? Thoughts?
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


some type of milk car?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Are the cars in the links below some type of milk car? Thoughts?
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: All-Beer Train

John Barry
 

Garth,

Bruce might well weigh in on the palatablity of said advertised brews.  Jeff and Mike might find the keys should said Vesty promulgate his future craft beers here. I may agree with the characterization of flamingos on the scale of taste.  Lo, tis why I've been loath to of clubs partake.  But who among us doth not at least a single creative anachronism propagate?  It's hard to refrain, when your intent is to entertain.  A white supercab 2006 F-250 with 4ATSF plates pending delivery via STMFC flat prior to transporting the superintendent to field "rules tests" of 1944 extra freight train crews around the layout.

Said anachronism must be handled with care and discretion though; I failed to be suitably discreet informing the owner of the PCL regarding a number of missing Pullmans in his otherwise comprehensive database.  The cars? Glen Farclas, Glen Livet, Glen Morangie, McClelland, Balvenie, Tomintoule, and Laphroaig.  A fun decalling project building proficiency to work STMFCs. 

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 12:54:00 PM EDT, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:


Friends,

Just back from the Shenandoah Valley Model Train Show in Virginia. On one of the modular layouts a 'vested interest" was running a train of 77 billboard beer refrigerators, all different, and steam-era (mandatory content), though many were decorated for modern craft beers. I rate this somewhere near plastic lawn flamingos on the taste scale. Is there any way we can have this guy locked up?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Roof Name help

Nelson Moyer
 

It looks like an attempt at a Murphy flat panel roof.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 11:57 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Roof Name help

 

Bill Welch wrote, “Lester, it looks like a kit roof. Maybe if you tell us which kit, the someone may know which roof it should be. What I see  looks like a F&C casting intended to be a Hutchins roof.”
  
Bill it is a F&C kit #6652 roof for  CV/GTW double door box car which is per several sources is to be a Hutchins Dry Lading roof which this is definitely not.  Therefore, I know I have to replace this roof with a correct one; however, wondering what is the closest prototype roof if any this kit roof resembles.

Lester Breuer


Re: Roof Name help

Lester Breuer
 

Bill Welch wrote, “Lester, it looks like a kit roof. Maybe if you tell us which kit, the someone may know which roof it should be. What I see  looks like a F&C casting intended to be a Hutchins roof.”
  
Bill it is a F&C kit #6652 roof for  CV/GTW double door box car which is per several sources is to be a Hutchins Dry Lading roof which this is definitely not.  Therefore, I know I have to replace this roof with a correct one; however, wondering what is the closest prototype roof if any this kit roof resembles.

Lester Breuer



All-Beer Train

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Just back from the Shenandoah Valley Model Train Show in Virginia. On one of the modular layouts a 'vested interest" was running a train of 77 billboard beer refrigerators, all different, and steam-era (mandatory content), though many were decorated for modern craft beers. I rate this somewhere near plastic lawn flamingos on the taste scale. Is there any way we can have this guy locked up?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Roof Name help

Bill Welch
 

Lester, it looks like a kit roof. Maybe if you tell us which kit, the someone may know which roof it should be. What I see  looks like a F&C casting intended to be a Hutchins roof.

Bill Welch


B&O C-16 Question

Nelson Moyer
 

I’m building the Sunshine C-16, and I’d like to learn about the box in the upper center of the A end shown in the attached photo. It appears that it’s got an electrical conduit through the end, so it may be either a power receptacle or marker light attachment. The kit instructions make no mention of this fixture, and there is no part resembling the fixture in the kit. Were these fixtures on both ends of the car? I don’t have any other C-16 photos showing the ends. What was the purpose of this fixture?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Phillips Petroleum LNG and PPG gas tank cars.

Steve and Barb Hile
 

At the beginning of 1945, Phillips listed 2679 cars in the ORER
 
 
Three years later, the listing no longer includes the ARA III and ICC 103 cars and is reduced to 668 cars.  This list remained in effect in the July 1950 ORER.
 
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Birkett
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 7:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Phillips Petroleum LNG and PPG gas tank cars.

These were the oldest cars in the fleet, and I believe that many riveted shell cars were not leaded back but Ihave been u able to verify completely.
Tom Birkett, Bartlesville


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-------- Original message --------
From: "Jim Gates via Groups.Io" <jim.gates@...>
Date: 5/3/19 6:58 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Phillips Petroleum LNG and PPG gas tank cars.

According to GATC:  A History of the General American Transportation Corporation, GATC purchased 2046 tank cars from Phillips Petroleum in 1945.  I would guess this was a lease-back arrangement.

Jim Gates
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On Fri, 5/3/19, Thomas Birkett <tnbirke@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Phillips Petroleum LNG and PPG gas tank cars.
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Friday, May 3, 2019, 5:29 PM

All: I managed the PPCo tank car fleet after the end of this group, but do know some of the history. The first refinery was at Borger, TX the same
you Phillips started selling gasoline at retail stations 1927. The first station was in Wichita, KS but the gasoline came from Hamilton Plant, between
Bartlesville and Dewey, OK. It was "natural gasoline" separated from raw natural gas, not crude oil. The acquisition of Independent Refining from Waite Phillips, one of the other brothers of Frank and LE Phillips brought refineries in Okmukgee, OK and Kansas City, KS into
the fold. Sweeny, TX, and Woods Cross, It came later.I may be able to answer further questions off line if any one has anything further. Tom Birkett,
Bartlesville, OK.





Roof Name help

Lester Breuer
 

What roof type is in the enclosed photo?  My best guess is a Chicago-Cleveland Flexible Outside Metal roof.  Thank You for your time and effort to help in advance.
Lester Breuer


Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

Chuck Cover
 

If you carefully examine the photo you will see that the verticals (both on the sides and ends) are all Z-brace supports which gives the car a unique look. (in an earlier response I mistakenly noted that the diagonals were Z-braces).  The Proto Mather boxcars do not model the Z-braces.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box

Tim O'Connor
 


Looks like 7-10 IH



On 5/4/2019 7:04 AM, jerryglow2 wrote:
Acc to Sunshine's info they had both the  10'3" and 7'8" ones. Best I can tell the P2K is a 8'5" car numbered for the 7'8" ones and in white lettering. I have one and am going to redo it w/ yellow lettering. Guess whose decals? 

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