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Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Michael Gross
 

Thank you, Al!

Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Michael Gross
 

Thanks Gene and Fenton.  Still more weathering to do after I get the extra parts painted.
Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Michael Gross
 

That's an excellent question Tim.

Perhaps Steve Hill has an answer for it.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

al_brown03
 

Michael, 

Nice car!!

AL B.


Re: Sunshine PDS (was ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC)

Jim Hayes
 

I have copies of almost all Sunshine PDSs online and I'm sure I'm not the only one. But then I did buy almost 200 Sunshine kits over the years starting way back when with kit 1.1 but then I'm sure I'm not the only one who did that either.

JimH


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Michael and Tangent have both done some great work with this car.  But one thing has always bothered me, the size of the lift ring on the safety valve.
 
Since I was assembling one of these cars from a kit, I asked Richard Hendrickson to share a photo of a prototype car, which he did.  Note the size of the lifting ring on the center safety valve.
 
About that same time, Bill Welch made us aware of some tinier eye rings etched by Peter Aue, too.  So I replaced the kit supplied ones with the smaller etched versions.  It is probably still oversized, but does not stand out as much as the stock ones do.  Another easy model upgrade.  Yarmouth has a set that are probably also Peter's.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Gross
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tangent Tank Car Additions

Because I keep breaking things, I end up doing more detailing on a ready-to-run car than I otherwise might, and the Tangent 3-dome tank is a perfect example.

It's a beautiful model right out of the box but, no sooner had I begun the weathering process than I broke one of the fragile corner sill steps.  Santa Fe modeler friend Peter Aue offered to make a new set of etched brass replacements and, after breaking two more of the sill steps, they came in handy.  (These are now available as Yarmouth Model Words part YMW-220). One improved detail often leads to another, and I soon found myself carving away major parts of the brake detail and replacing it with brass wire, clevises (Tichy #8021) and brake chain (A-Line #29219).  Original hoses were replace with Hi-Tech details 22" hoses, with new brackets fashioned from brass strap stock.

Still need to paint the new parts, install semi-scale wheel sets, apply warning placards, and reattach part of the valve I knocked off on the far left dome.  Weathering to follow.

What began as a simple weathering job became—owing to my clumsiness—so much more.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Gene Deimling
 

Michael
very nice job on the weathering. 

Gene Deimling


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

O Fenton Wells
 

Hey Michael, well done it’s a good looking car. Maybe you should break more cars. Great results 
Fenton 


On May 9, 2019, at 6:29 PM, Bill Keene via Groups.Io <bill41@...> wrote:

Hello Michael,

Very nice work. Really like the weathering … and the new / improved details. 

When you get home — now that you have had the practice — I will bring my Tangent tank car by for your to weather. 

Thanks for sharing your work.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On May 9, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:

Because I keep breaking things, I end up doing more detailing on a ready-to-run car than I otherwise might, and the Tangent 3-dome tank is a perfect example.

It's a beautiful model right out of the box but, no sooner had I begun the weathering process than I broke one of the fragile corner sill steps.  Santa Fe modeler friend Peter Aue offered to make a new set of etched brass replacements and, after breaking two more of the sill steps, they came in handy.  (These are now available as Yarmouth Model Words part YMW-220). One improved detail often leads to another, and I soon found myself carving away major parts of the brake detail and replacing it with brass wire, clevises (Tichy #8021) and brake chain (A-Line #29219).  Original hoses were replace with Hi-Tech details 22" hoses, with new brackets fashioned from brass strap stock.

Still need to paint the new parts, install semi-scale wheel sets, apply warning placards, and reattach part of the valve I knocked off on the far left dome.  Weathering to follow.

What began as a simple weathering job became—owing to my clumsiness—so much more.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV <IMG_3150.jpg><IMG_3150.jpg>


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Tim O'Connor
 


I just noticed something about that model - on the right side, where the builder initials are,
it says GATX instead of GATC. Builder photos from that era usually show something like

  G.A.T.C.Co.

in that location. Was this car a repaint? Is this a Tangent error? I'm just curious.

Nice repair on that car, and fine weathering too.

Tim O'Connor





On 5/9/2019 6:24 PM, Michael Gross wrote:
Because I keep breaking things, I end up doing more detailing on a ready-to-run car than I otherwise might, and the Tangent 3-dome tank is a perfect example.

It's a beautiful model right out of the box but, no sooner had I begun the weathering process than I broke one of the fragile corner sill steps.  Santa Fe modeler friend Peter Aue offered to make a new set of etched brass replacements and, after breaking two more of the sill steps, they came in handy.  (These are now available as Yarmouth Model Words part YMW-220). One improved detail often leads to another, and I soon found myself carving away major parts of the brake detail and replacing it with brass wire, clevises (Tichy #8021) and brake chain (A-Line #29219).  Original hoses were replace with Hi-Tech details 22" hoses, with new brackets fashioned from brass strap stock.

Still need to paint the new parts, install semi-scale wheel sets, apply warning placards, and reattach part of the valve I knocked off on the far left dome.  Weathering to follow.

What began as a simple weathering job became—owing to my clumsiness—so much more.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Sunshine PDS (was ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC)

Tim O'Connor
 


Martin never posted anything at all online, as far as I know. I don't know if
he even had email.

But it's all very silly IMO. When Ted Culotta sold his photo collection on Ebay,
he posted over 5,000 beautiful images, and they were captured by MANY people. And a
number of those same images have been published. And of course tens of thousands of
fine images have been posted on Ebay without watermarks - I'll wager almost everyone
here has snagged some.

Good luck to anyone who brings a lawsuit to try to collect for "damages" from a
shared hobby photo. I have over 90,000 images on my hard drive, all but 2,000 or
so found online, or shared with me by other people. The rest are my own scans.

A scan of a photocopy of a small medium quality print isn't a threat to anyone who may
wish to publish a high resolution photo in a book, or who wants to sell the original
to a collector.

:-(

Tim O'Connor




On 5/9/2019 3:15 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
sales flyers, yes.  PDS sheets, I don't think so.  They generally contain photos that Martin did not have permission to place on-line.
 
Steve


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 2:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)


aren't they are available online?


On 5/9/2019 2:54 PM, tyesac@... via Groups.Io wrote:
It would be nice if the PDS sheets that came in the Sunshine kits could be offered up for some amount.  They had a wealth of information on those cars he offered kits for.

Tom Casey  
Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. 

Tom Madden


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Tangent Tank Car Additions

Bill Keene
 

Hello Michael,

Very nice work. Really like the weathering … and the new / improved details. 

When you get home — now that you have had the practice — I will bring my Tangent tank car by for your to weather. 

Thanks for sharing your work.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On May 9, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:

Because I keep breaking things, I end up doing more detailing on a ready-to-run car than I otherwise might, and the Tangent 3-dome tank is a perfect example.

It's a beautiful model right out of the box but, no sooner had I begun the weathering process than I broke one of the fragile corner sill steps.  Santa Fe modeler friend Peter Aue offered to make a new set of etched brass replacements and, after breaking two more of the sill steps, they came in handy.  (These are now available as Yarmouth Model Words part YMW-220). One improved detail often leads to another, and I soon found myself carving away major parts of the brake detail and replacing it with brass wire, clevises (Tichy #8021) and brake chain (A-Line #29219).  Original hoses were replace with Hi-Tech details 22" hoses, with new brackets fashioned from brass strap stock.

Still need to paint the new parts, install semi-scale wheel sets, apply warning placards, and reattach part of the valve I knocked off on the far left dome.  Weathering to follow.

What began as a simple weathering job became—owing to my clumsiness—so much more.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV <IMG_3150.jpg><IMG_3150.jpg>


Tangent Tank Car Additions

Michael Gross
 

Because I keep breaking things, I end up doing more detailing on a ready-to-run car than I otherwise might, and the Tangent 3-dome tank is a perfect example.

It's a beautiful model right out of the box but, no sooner had I begun the weathering process than I broke one of the fragile corner sill steps.  Santa Fe modeler friend Peter Aue offered to make a new set of etched brass replacements and, after breaking two more of the sill steps, they came in handy.  (These are now available as Yarmouth Model Words part YMW-220). One improved detail often leads to another, and I soon found myself carving away major parts of the brake detail and replacing it with brass wire, clevises (Tichy #8021) and brake chain (A-Line #29219).  Original hoses were replace with Hi-Tech details 22" hoses, with new brackets fashioned from brass strap stock.

Still need to paint the new parts, install semi-scale wheel sets, apply warning placards, and reattach part of the valve I knocked off on the far left dome.  Weathering to follow.

What began as a simple weathering job became—owing to my clumsiness—so much more.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
On the road - Lake Tahoe, NV


Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

mopacfirst
 

Yes, I wasn't clear in my reply.  I have to say that, since I hang on to all of my PDS sheets, I wasn't thinking of that.  The main reason I care about the sales sheet is that there's just enough information on them to help me decide if I want to bid on whatever shows up on eBay.  The era of use (all gone by 1956, for instance) is usually on there, and that's the thing I probably care most about, if I didn't already know.

Ron Merrick


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

mopacfirst
 

I did just now go check on my Sunshine kit.  It's 73.8, and it has several ends of different styles so you can mix and match like Santa Fe did.  The sides are actually very nice, and the rivets are not giganto like the sales brochure made them look.  Frankly, that could have been a test car with sides from something Athearn.  The sides, incidentally, have the doors cast in place.  There's a little klugy surface at the left edge where something may have happened to the master, but the grabs should cover that.  The underframe casting is technically superb, with those four fishbelly frame members.

I'm definitely going to build this one, although frankly it could still be a couple years out.

Ron Merrick


Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Aren't [Sunshine PDS sheets] available online?"

No.  Only flyers and price lists at Jim Hayes' http://www.sunshinekits.com .


Ben Hom


Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Brian Carlson
 

Those are just the order forms. The PDS were the multi page docs on slick paper. I’ve saved mine after building kits. They had useful info. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 9, 2019, at 3:18 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Yes, at Sunshinekits.com.  I believe this site is still maintained by Jim Hayes.  I believe it started as a means to provide some on-line information on the products, since Sunshine the manufacturer never did.  It has all the appropriate disclaimers.  There are a few other useful links here.

I still go to this site when I see something on eBay that I might or might not bid on.

Ron Merrick


Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

mopacfirst
 

Yes, at Sunshinekits.com.  I believe this site is still maintained by Jim Hayes.  I believe it started as a means to provide some on-line information on the products, since Sunshine the manufacturer never did.  It has all the appropriate disclaimers.  There are a few other useful links here.

I still go to this site when I see something on eBay that I might or might not bid on.

Ron Merrick


Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

sales flyers, yes.  PDS sheets, I don't think so.  They generally contain photos that Martin did not have permission to place on-line.
 
Steve



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 2:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)


aren't they are available online?


On 5/9/2019 2:54 PM, tyesac@... via Groups.Io wrote:
It would be nice if the PDS sheets that came in the Sunshine kits could be offered up for some amount.  They had a wealth of information on those cars he offered kits for.

Tom Casey  
Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. 

Tom Madden


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Brian Carlson
 

Just the order forms on Jim Hayes site afaik. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 9, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


aren't they are available online?


On 5/9/2019 2:54 PM, tyesac@... via Groups.Io wrote:
It would be nice if the PDS sheets that came in the Sunshine kits could be offered up for some amount.  They had a wealth of information on those cars he offered kits for.

Tom Casey  
Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. 

Tom Madden


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Tim O'Connor
 


aren't they are available online?


On 5/9/2019 2:54 PM, tyesac@... via Groups.Io wrote:
It would be nice if the PDS sheets that came in the Sunshine kits could be offered up for some amount.  They had a wealth of information on those cars he offered kits for.

Tom Casey  
Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. 

Tom Madden


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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